Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications
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@Vixen Yay! hugs
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@Atazhaia said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Vixen Yay! hugs
yay! hugs!
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@Captain said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@dangeRuss said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Didn't the Jeff create SE?
Yes, and he quit to form Discourse.
Doesn't that pretty much explain everything?
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@error said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Status: not jealous
Filed under: at all
Did you want hugs too?
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N-no!
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@error said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
N-no!
oh....
Well if you do want hugs, just let me know!
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@Jaloopa said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
a scathing
MediumMeta Stack Exchange post about SE moderators being cis normative shitlordsAt the same time that the one mod was fired, another mod resigned precisely because her fellow mods were "being cis normative shitlords", and SE employees were being opaque and not listening and doing nothing about it. Which, ironically enough, is the same problem the mod who was bending over backwards to try to figure out how to comply experienced: no response, no clarity, just BOOM headshot.
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@TwelveBaud said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
just BOOM headshot
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@Jaloopa said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
cis normative
Made up words thread is .
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@levicki said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
What the hell does that even mean?
I don't remember where I heard this, but the phrase "cis is a word used to make normal people feel marginalized" has always stuck with me...
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@levicki said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
What the hell does that even mean?
It means language that defaults (sometimes aggressively) to cisgender standards. Assuming people are male and therefore using "he" instead of a neutral "they" unless you're certain, not respecting someone's request to use their preferred pronouns, etc.
"Cis" is just the opposite prefix to "trans", so "cisgender" just means that your mental gender matches your physical gender.
@levicki said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Do transgendered people always resort to petty insults towards all people they disagree with?
No, only the ones who are being asshats about it. When one of the mods who resigned did so by basically explicitly saying "I don't believe trans people are a thing because religion so I resign instead of having to call them what they want to be called", others who are trans are of course going to take offense to someone refusing to acknowledge their existence and offer the basic modicum of social decency of using the pronouns they ask to be used.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@levicki said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
What the hell does that even mean?
I don't remember where I heard this, but the phrase "cis is a word used to make normal people feel marginalized" has always stuck with me...
You know when hd started getting well known and suddenly there was a need to specify non-hd resolutions so sd became a thing? It's like that. Trans is something that's talked about and "not trans" is a bit clunky as a phrase so another word has been coined to make it easier to talk about.
If you want to act like you're being attacked by having a new name for an aspect of you, knock yourself out. You're also straight, white, sighted etc.
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@levicki said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Do
transgenderedpeople always resort to petty insults towards all people they disagree with?Sounds about right.
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@Jaloopa said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
"not trans" is a bit clunky as a phrase so another word has been coined
Almost, they just resurrected an old word (or more specifically, prefix). Cis has the same root language as Trans, just the opposite meaning.
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@e4tmyl33t "Resurrect"? It has been in use for quite some time. Granted, it's chemistry which uses the term but still...
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@Rhywden True, though I doubt many Twitterers are fairly familiar with chemistry terms. Though it's entirely possible that's what gave one person an idea and it just spread...
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@levicki said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Where is the aggression in assuming and using a natural default? And by default I mean majority of males identifying as "he" and majority of females identifying as "she", why would anyone be offened by me using those defaults?
More like "assuming everyone I talk to online is male so I default to 'he' all the time".
@levicki said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
You can be disrespectful and call me an asshole or a retard or a cis-homophobe, or whatever you think will insult me, but if you are not someone I care about it just won't matter and that's how it should be. I'd rather earn respect through my words and actions than get respect by default. If everyone gets the same respect just by sheer existence then no one has any real respect for anyone. It's all fake.
That's fine for a normal person, but for someone who's supposed to be nominally in charge of a shared social space (i.e. SE moderators), you should be making an effort to make your place not someplace that's going to drive people away just because they're not like the majority, and making sure to police the majority when some of them turn out to be assholes who intentionally antagonize the minority just because they're different.
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@e4tmyl33t said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
you should be making an effort to make your place not someplace that's going to drive people away
Are we still talking about Stack Overflow here?
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@Vixen said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@loopback0 said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
COCs
Corruption of Champions?
I didn't know there was such a large fan base for that game.
Fenoxo must be ecstatic.
See, now I know you're @accalia.
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@pie_flavor said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Vixen said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@loopback0 said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
COCs
Corruption of Champions?
I didn't know there was such a large fan base for that game.
Fenoxo must be ecstatic.
See, now I know you're @accalia.
They're also a fan?
Neat!
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@e4tmyl33t said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
It means language that defaults (sometimes aggressively) to cisgender standards. Assuming people are male and therefore using "he" instead of a neutral "they"
That makes zero sense. Defaulting to 'he' is neither cisgender nor transgender.
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@Vixen said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Atazhaia said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Vixen Yay! hugs
yay! hugs!
Is this still WTDWTF? Why are you hugging each other instead of threatening to burn each other's houses? Something fishy's going on here…
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Atazhaia Awwww...
Try finding someone special. I'm getting lots more hugs ever since I met the woman I ended up marrying!
If only I could meet the woman you ended up marrying, too…
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Vixen Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be the case here. The code is such a powerful rule that the event that sparked this entire mess occurred when they demodded someone on suspicion that they were likely to break, at some future point, a rule from the still-unreleased Code of Conduct. Which was received by the community about as well as you'd expect.
That reminds me of something from English history. In the aftermath of Henry VII's seizure of the throne, one of his potential opponents was imprisoned and, if memory serves, executed because he was suspected of having received an invitation to go to Ireland.
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@pie_flavor said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@e4tmyl33t said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
It means language that defaults (sometimes aggressively) to cisgender standards. Assuming people are male and therefore using "he" instead of a neutral "they"
That makes zero sense. Defaulting to 'he' is neither cisgender nor transgender.
Exactly. Isn't that, shudder, patriarchy?
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An update
https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334248/an-update-to-our-community-and-an-apology?cb=1
Except it doesn't clarify anything and given the downvotes it's clearly not being received well
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@Jaloopa said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Except it doesn't clarify anything and given the downvotes it's clearly not being received well
Aggregate -540 and counting. If their reputation drops low enough do they get removed as a moderation team? I think that's how SE works, not sure.
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@pie_flavor said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Vixen said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@loopback0 said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
COCs
Corruption of Champions?
I didn't know there was such a large fan base for that game.
Fenoxo must be ecstatic.
See, now I know you're @accalia.
I'm @accalia as well then.
My army of ant-babies will visit you in your sleep.
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@pie_flavor said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
do they get removed as a moderation team?
This is the actual paid staff. It would be hilarious if they had a bonus structure tied to their scores
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@levicki said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Somebody just move them all to a tropical island with a lot of bananas and pineapples and be done with their fucking drama.
You never cease to amaze me, despite months and months of reading your tirades.
@Jaloopa said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
This is the actual paid staff. It would be hilarious if they had a bonus structure tied to their scores
You may just be onto something. Trying to downvote now gives
This post has been locked; locked posts can't be voted on
Coincidence?
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@levicki said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@_P_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
cis normative shitlords
What the hell does that even mean?
The original author of that should have used just "shitlord", if only because that at least is undeniably true.
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Such highly intelligent discussions on gender and language make me think of those poor speakers, speakeresses, and speakxes, of Bantu languages. Bantu languages have typically 8 (Kiswaheli only 7) grammatical noun classes which use to be mixed up with "genders" by people of indo-european language background, because of some strange coincidences of grammatical noun class and gender.
Still, in Bantu languages, all people regardless of gender (ehm, well, I do not know how they deal with trans-people...) and all animals regardless of gender go into the first noun class - without any differentiation.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@pie_flavor said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Vixen said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@loopback0 said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
COCs
Corruption of Champions?
I didn't know there was such a large fan base for that game.
Fenoxo must be ecstatic.
See, now I know you're @accalia.
I'm @accalia as well then.
My army of ant-babies will visit you in your sleep.
I tend to make accalias. So I too could be @accalia. I recall her being a slightly perverted fox lady. And while I fit the slightly perverted part, I do not identify as a fox or lady. Based off my first name I would be a wolf, but based off my avatar I would be a bit furrier and hornier than a wolf... Also male. But a male who likes all genders. Because I don't discriminate!
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All this preferred pronoun stuff makes me wish my English was (even) worse and that I had a background in a language without gendered pronouns. I have some friends and relatives that simply power through any conversation with a random (roughly 50/50%) choice between she/he (him/her, etc) with little regard to actual genders. (Which, after all, in their native language don't exist in that context.)
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@kt_ said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Vixen said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Atazhaia said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Vixen Yay! hugs
yay! hugs!
Is this still WTDWTF? Why are you hugging each other instead of threatening to burn each other's houses? Something fishy's going on here…
I'm not sure if this is still this place or not. that's a philosophical statement I am not qualified to produce.
But..... I can give hugs. Hugs will help.
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@Vixen said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Hugs will help.
Hugs are good for getting close, which helps ensuring nobody unintended overhears the threats of burning down their homes.
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@cvi said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Vixen said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
Hugs will help.
Hugs are good for getting close, and making sure nobody unintended overhears the threats of burning down their homes.
OI! AM FOX. NOT BIG BAD WOLF!
If I destroy your home will be personal not with fire, and not by huffing and puffing. Because I have better exercise regime than the Big Bad Wolf!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Jaloopa said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
prefers to not use pronouns when possible
!
In some languages, like Sinhalese, pronouns are different whether you're speaking up to someone, down to someone, or to your peer. To avoid potential crossed transactions, in casual conversation people will often avoid the use of pronouns, e.g. "Going to the store?" rather than, "Are you going to the store?"
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@Vixen said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
If I destroy your home will be personal not with fire, and not by huffing and puffing. Because I have better exercise regime than the Big Bad Wolf!
Assessing the threat level based on my most recent encounter with a fox:
E_THREAT_LEVEL_NOT_FOUND (regardless of exercise regime). Recommendation: continue fireproofing home.
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@cvi said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
E_THREAT_LEVEL_NOT_FOUND
We're tricksy like that. You think we're no threat, then we attack you with the cuteness and wrap you around our claws.
mu hu hu hu hu.....
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@Vixen said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
But..... I can give hugs. Hugs will help.
@error_bot xkcd bun alert
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@PleegWat shrug
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I mean... look at them. They're like loaves of bread that hop.
And they're proverbial for their high rate of reproduction. One might even call it "buns in the oven."
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@pie_flavor said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Vixen said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@loopback0 said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
COCs
Corruption of Champions?
I didn't know there was such a large fan base for that game.
Fenoxo must be ecstatic.
See, now I know you're @accalia.
I'm @accalia as well then.
No, I'm @accalia.
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@boomzilla Oh, is boomzilla-alt-ness reflexive now?
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@boomzilla Oh, is boomzilla-alt-ness reflexive now?
This was a property of the boomzilla I was not aware of!
THAT'S AWESOME!
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@boomzilla said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@pie_flavor said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@Vixen said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
@loopback0 said in Stack Exchange experiences Stack Meltdown, by enforcing preferred pronouns in site-wide communications:
COCs
Corruption of Champions?
I didn't know there was such a large fan base for that game.
Fenoxo must be ecstatic.
See, now I know you're @accalia.
I'm @accalia as well then.
No, I'm @accalia.
I'm @accalia and so's my wife
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