Self-driving cars and drunk drivers
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@Applied-Mediocrity Hard to say, they're contrarian no matter the direction.
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@lolwhat said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
@Zerosquare said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
cars able to go way above the highest speed limits have existed for decades
Maybe the speed limits should be raised then?
Maybe, but it certainly doesn't follow from the previous statement.
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@JBert said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
@Applied-Mediocrity Hard to say, they're contrarian no matter the direction.
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@levicki said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
Also, even I understood what you were saying this time, Rhywden just can't imagine Central Europe, in Serbia he would die of heart attack just watching traffic violations everywhere all the time.
That's not even remotely related to my statements but carry on.
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@levicki said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
@Rhywden said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
That's not even remotely related to my statements but carry on.
I am taking that back.
What I wanted to point out is that there are immature male jerks who enjoy speeding and making as much noise as possible while doing it. Obviously, concentration of immature male jerks is very high in Poland which we can infer from the one we know all too well around here.
That one I can accept.
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@GÄ…ska said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
But affordable cars that can go double the highway speed limit with decent MPG?
How do you define "affordable" when talking about cars capable of 140mph?
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@Gurth said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
Another good car example is soundproofing, which is far better in cars now than it was, say, thirty years ago. This probably contributes to speeding, because you obviously don’t get the noise of the road surface and wind inside the car as much, and so have less of an impression of speed.
Not just that but now we have many many more cars with 6+ speed gearboxes meaning the engine (which is already quieter) speed at highway speeds is far less. Road surfaces have improved too.
The noise difference between 70mph and 90mph in my Audi is negligible. The difference in engine speed in 7th is like 400rpm. Between that and the extra power it's very easy to go fast without realising it.20 years ago a typical 2.0 turbo diesel engine (in "normal" European cars) had 90hp but now they have 150hp with the 190hp variants becoming more and more common.
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@loopback0 said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
@GÄ…ska said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
But affordable cars that can go double the highway speed limit with decent MPG?
How do you define "affordable" when talking about cars capable of 140mph?
I overshot with that double highway speed thing, yes. But you can find many cars around $30-40k that can reach 120MPH. Not exactly cheap, but certainly within reach of most people (in western countries). And second-hand is even better.
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@cheong said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
The speed limit is determined by the conditions of the road, such as "how many layer of asphalt the road is built with" and "what are the turning angles / slopes on the road", not by the obtainable speed of cars.
Obtainable speed is indeed not a factor. But speed of safe operation could be a reasonable factor (though I believe human reflexes are currently the most limiting factor). If your car is more reliable, you can take a turn faster without compromising your safety (or anyone else's).
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@Khudzlin said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
If your car is more reliable, you can take a turn faster without compromising your safety (or anyone else's).
What does reliability has to do with it?
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@loopback0 said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
20 years ago a typical 2.0 turbo diesel engine (in "normal" European cars) had 90hp but now they have 150hp with the 190hp variants becoming more and more common.
I think that's a major factor in the feeling you get when driving fast (-er than the limit, in the discussion here), and the important bit is that this applies to all cars, especially mid-market ones, not just to BMWs, Audis or such.
As a random example, according to Wiki, a first gen Golf (OK, that's 40 years ago rather than 20...) was sold with engines between 50 and 100 hp, while the latest gen has engines between 80 and 200 hp. And I don't think the market segment of Golfs has changed that much across the years (i.e. it's not like only cheap people bought it then vs. performance enthusiasts now!).
In my experience, this means not so much that driving at higher speeds is more comfortable, but more importantly that getting to these high speeds is much smoother, quicker and comfortable. You don't have to floor the pedal, you don't hear the engine roar. It's just as smooth to get from 50 to 100 than from 0 to 50.
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@TimeBandit Maybe not the right word, but if your car is less likely to drift in turns, you can take them faster.
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@Khudzlin You probably mean "better road handling"
Like my RX-8
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@TimeBandit how's that RX-8 working out for you? I considered getting one myself, but I heard it eats humongous amounts of money in maintenance.
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@GÄ…ska said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
I considered getting one myself, but I heard it eats humongous amounts of money in maintenance.
Nothing compared to the amount of gaz money
It needs a lot of care, like premium gaz, pre-mixing of 2 cycle oil in the gaz tank, new spark plugs every year, etc
But the smiles per miles are worth it
If you ever decide to buy one, PM me and I'll tell you everything you need to know.
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@TimeBandit said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
It needs a lot of care, like premium gaz, pre-mixing of 2 cycle oil in the gaz tank
I guess it must be built on the same technology as old lawn-mowers.
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@jinpa pre-mixing is done to maximize engine life
What you're talking about is 2-stroke engines, and those still exist
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@levicki said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
@Rhywden said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
That's not even remotely related to my statements but carry on.
I am taking that back.
Why on earth would you take anything back? This is how you garage, you take things back?
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@GÄ…ska said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
@loopback0 said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
@GÄ…ska said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
But affordable cars that can go double the highway speed limit with decent MPG?
How do you define "affordable" when talking about cars capable of 140mph?
I overshot with that double highway speed thing, yes. But you can find many cars around $30-40k that can reach 120MPH. Not exactly cheap, but certainly within reach of most people (in western countries). And second-hand is even better.
My 7 year old Polo (€10k used at 1y/o) can go 180kph (maybe faster downhill
), and that’s without even getting the rpms in the red (it just won’t accelerate further at that point). Even in faster cars I rarely go faster than 200kph.
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@levicki said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
@Gribnit said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
Why on earth would you take anything back? This is how you garage, you take things back?
Because admitting that I made a mistake does not lower my self-esteem and doesn't affect my ego?
That's exactly the kind of attitude that will send the Garage right uphill.
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@cheong said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
if the law requires very vehicles on the road be equipped with explosives that will explode even if being hit by slightest force
HEY! Stop raggin on those Ford Pintos!
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@Gurth said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
This probably contributes to speeding, because you obviously don’t get the noise of the road surface and wind inside the car as much, and so have less of an impression of speed.
I drive with my windows down 89 percent of the time. It has had no impact on how fast I travel.
@GÄ…ska said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
More than the noise, I think the increase in speeding is caused by cars simply being able to go faster.
This. When I got pulled over for following a cop (who did not have their lights on), I expressed surprise that the chunker could even go that fast.
@GÄ…ska said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
you'd need to drive close to redline.
My current vehicle travels at 90 mph (144 kph?) at 3000 RPM, nowhere close to red-lining. The '96 Nissan Sentra I had a while ago did much the same. Read: That's the car the cop pulled me over in in the above anecdote.
@Rhywden said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
@GÄ…ska Noise is not a secondary concern. It has a direct impact on how fast you're willing to drive.
Right! It makes it more exhilarating, making you want to go even faster, right?
@levicki said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
immature male jerks
That's sexist.
@loopback0 said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
@GÄ…ska said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
But affordable cars that can go double the highway speed limit with decent MPG?
How do you define "affordable" when talking about cars capable of 140mph?
The literally cheapest vehicle on the lot from eight years ago (it was the last manual transmission one, and thus saved $300) does this with ease. See above in post.
@GÄ…ska said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
But you can find many cars around $30-40k that can reach 120MPH. Not exactly cheap, but certainly within reach of most people (in western countries).
Mine was $16k I think? Dunno. It wasn't $30k though.
@Gribnit said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
Why on earth would you take anything back? This is how you garage, you take things back?
Because it was really only to sample things, and now you want it back in your possession to see what effects have been emplaced on it?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
My current vehicle travels at 90 mph (144 kph?) at 3000 RPM, nowhere close to red-lining.
I will not that someone may say that's because more gears mean more quiet (or something). No, this is in fifth gear, which is the maximum on my cute little taco.
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@levicki said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
@Gribnit said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
Why on earth would you take anything back? This is how you garage, you take things back?
Because admitting that I made a mistake does not lower my self-esteem and doesn't affect my ego?
YMBNH
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@Jaloopa said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
@levicki said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
@Gribnit said in Self-driving cars and drunk drivers:
Why on earth would you take anything back? This is how you garage, you take things back?
Because admitting that I made a mistake does not lower my self-esteem and doesn't affect my ego?
YMBNH
Yes, relatively. But he's learning!
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@Tsaukpaetra now, now, let's not jump to conclusions.
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