Assange Arrested
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For skipping bail. For the moment.
Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder arrested in London
He faces extradition to the US for his alleged role in one of the largest leaks of government secrets.
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@PJH After 7 years, he's probably no longer interesting enough to take bets when the assassination squad hits him.
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Dutch articles indicate Equador did extract a promise that Assange would not be extradited to a country where he could face the death penalty, which would prevent him being extradited to the US.
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The US has apparently asked for him to be sent over as well. :D
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@PleegWat said in Assange Arrested:
Dutch articles indicate Equador did extract a promise that Assange would not be extradited to a country where he could face the death penalty, which would prevent him being extradited to the US.
Except he's in British custody now.
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@Gąska said in Assange Arrested:
@PleegWat said in Assange Arrested:
Dutch articles indicate Equador did extract a promise that Assange would not be extradited to a country where he could face the death penalty, which would prevent him being extradited to the US.
Except he's in British custody now.
But they arrested him for us.
Under arrest, Julian Assange expected to face charges in U.S.
Hours after Wikileaks head Julian Assange was removed from the embassy of Ecuador in London, the British Home Office confirmed that Assange faces an extradition warrant from the United States, raising the chances that Assange will possibly face charges about the involvement of Wikileaks in the past...
But I don't know that he's being charged with anything that's punishable by death.
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@boomzilla said in Assange Arrested:
@Gąska said in Assange Arrested:
@PleegWat said in Assange Arrested:
Dutch articles indicate Equador did extract a promise that Assange would not be extradited to a country where he could face the death penalty, which would prevent him being extradited to the US.
Except he's in British custody now.
But they arrested him for us.
That's my point. Ecuador's promises don't matter anymore.
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@Gąska said in Assange Arrested:
@boomzilla said in Assange Arrested:
@Gąska said in Assange Arrested:
@PleegWat said in Assange Arrested:
Dutch articles indicate Equador did extract a promise that Assange would not be extradited to a country where he could face the death penalty, which would prevent him being extradited to the US.
Except he's in British custody now.
But they arrested him for us.
That's my point. Ecuador's promises don't matter anymore.
It was Britain's promise to Ecuador, not Ecuador's to Assange.
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@boomzilla And in either case European countries don't extradite anyway if you're facing a death penalty, he could easily appeal his extradition at the European Court of Human Rights. But that would necessitate a potential death penalty charge - if that's not there, then there's not much to stop them.
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@PleegWat said in Assange Arrested:
@boomzilla And in either case European countries don't extradite anyway if you're facing a death penalty, he could easily appeal his extradition at the European Court of Human Rights. But that would necessitate a potential death penalty charge - if that's not there, then there's not much to stop them.
I would have guessed that it's possible he'll be charged with espionage, which is on the list.
But it looks like not:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/world/europe/julian-assange-wikileaks-ecuador-embassy.htmlThe Metropolitan Police said that Mr. Assange had been detained partly in connection with an extradition warrant filed by the authorities in the United States, where he could face of a charge of computer hacking, according to an American official, if he is extradited.
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@boomzilla said in Assange Arrested:
@Gąska said in Assange Arrested:
@boomzilla said in Assange Arrested:
@Gąska said in Assange Arrested:
@PleegWat said in Assange Arrested:
Dutch articles indicate Equador did extract a promise that Assange would not be extradited to a country where he could face the death penalty, which would prevent him being extradited to the US.
Except he's in British custody now.
But they arrested him for us.
That's my point. Ecuador's promises don't matter anymore.
It was Britain's promise to Ecuador, not Ecuador's to Assange.
Oh. I'm bad at reading apparently.
Not that UK's promises of anything to anyone ever mattered.
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@boomzilla If US is likely to add the espionage charge only after he's on US soil, that may still be enough for the human rights court to reject the extradition. That game's certainly been played before.
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@PleegWat said in Assange Arrested:
@boomzilla If US is likely to add the espionage charge only after he's on US soil, that may still be enough for the human rights court to reject the extradition. That game's certainly been played before.
The what court? Good luck with that.
I doubt it will happen though.
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For a country so big on freedom (of the press), it is head-scratching how obsessed the US is with Assange, an Australian citizen (right?) who I don't see how he could be charged for treason (or whatever it is). I can sort-of get what's his face, erm, Snowden, but Assange? To be fair, it's Assange who says that he might be sentenced to death in the US.
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@admiral_p Prosecuting a non-citizen for treason would be weird. But people aren't talking about treason they're talking about espionage. Over here, I think they'd do him for publishing state secrets, but that may not be a separate thing in the US.
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@PleegWat is espionage punishable by death? Nowadays at least.
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@PleegWat said in Assange Arrested:
@admiral_p Prosecuting a non-citizen for treason would be weird. But people aren't talking about treason they're talking about espionage. Over here, I think they'd do him for publishing state secrets, but that may not be a separate thing in the US.
It's not entirely clear what he's been charged with in the US. It seems to be related to Bradley/Chelsea Manning but current articles talk about "computer crimes." So it sounds like some sort of conspiracy sort of thing related to the activities as opposed to the actual publishing. Details are pretty scarce though and I think most of the stuff is still sealed.
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@DogsB said in Assange Arrested:
https://twitter.com/MisterAntiBully/status/1116289170924875776?s=19
https://twitter.com/silver_fox24/status/1116293911775989761
Cheat-sheet
Left: Mr. Wilberforce Clayborne Humphries (played by John Inman) from 'Are You Being Served'. Catch phrase "I'm free!" (normally after being asked 'Are you free Mr. Humphries?')
Right: Uncle Albert Gladstone Trotter (played by Buster Merryfield) from 'Only Fools and Horses'
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@PJH said in Assange Arrested:
Right: Uncle Albert Gladstone Trotter (played by Buster Merryfield) from 'Only Fools and Horses'
That is an insult to Buster Merryfields beard.
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Indictment here:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-julian-assange-indictment
So, yeah, that's not about publishing the stuff but about helping to crack passwords, which seems pretty legit.
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@boomzilla Ah, the Secret Internet Protocol Network. Which is why we now know of its existence.
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@Atazhaia The network's existence isn't secret, only its contents. Systems connected to it are extremely well-labelled and you tend to spend the rest of your life in prison if you don't have a clearance and you even think about touching one.
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@boomzilla said in Assange Arrested:
Executive Order No. 13526
I was disappointed by Executive Order 66:
Special departmental rule No. 1, clause 3, is hereby amended by adding to the places excepted from examination in the Department of the Interior the following:
In the Bureau of Education: Specialist in foreign educational systems, and specialist in education as a preventive of pauperism and crime.
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I am interested to hear what Tim Poole has to say about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADP8GfVxpUE
I guess censorship is alive and well.
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@PleegWat said in Assange Arrested:
he could easily appeal his extradition at the European Court of Human Rights.
Good luck appealing anything after the fact.
"Oh yeah, the extradition was illegal. Well, can't do anything about it now, death row it is."
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@PleegWat said in Assange Arrested:
he could easily appeal his extradition at the European Court of Human Rights.
Not after Brexit actually happen
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@Polygeekery said in Assange Arrested:
I guess censorship is alive and well.
If he'd just have taken more showers maybe they wouldn't have given him up.
Being a "refugee and a journalist" shouldn't be any sort of get out of jail free card. And the charges (which Tim didn't seem to be familiar with when he made the video) aren't about either of those things.
tl;dr Crying censorship here isn't justified based on what I've seen (and posted in this thread).
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Assange has been such an insufferable cunt the Ecuadorians have been wanting to get rid of him for a couple of years.
ProTip: Be a little nicer to people who are trying to help you.
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@El_Heffe said in Assange Arrested:
ProTip: Be a little nicer to people who are trying to help you.
It's also kind of funny, but he's been effectively under house arrest for seven years. If he'd taken his licks, he might have spent a few years in a cushy Federal white collar prison with tennis courts, and maybe he'd be out by now, like Manning.
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@jinpa said in Assange Arrested:
@El_Heffe said in Assange Arrested:
ProTip: Be a little nicer to people who are trying to help you.
It's also kind of funny, but he's been effectively under house arrest for seven years. If he'd taken his licks, he might have spent a few years in a cushy Federal white collar prison with tennis courts, and maybe he'd be out by now, like Manning.
Manning is even out in more than one way.
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@boomzilla said in Assange Arrested:
@Polygeekery said in Assange Arrested:
I guess censorship is alive and well.
If he'd just have taken more showers maybe they wouldn't have given him up.
Being a "refugee and a journalist" shouldn't be any sort of get out of jail free card. And the charges (which Tim didn't seem to be familiar with when he made the video) aren't about either of those things.
tl;dr Crying censorship here isn't justified based on what I've seen (and posted in this thread).
I can guarantee you didn't try to watch the video I posted...
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@Polygeekery said in Assange Arrested:
@boomzilla said in Assange Arrested:
@Polygeekery said in Assange Arrested:
I guess censorship is alive and well.
If he'd just have taken more showers maybe they wouldn't have given him up.
Being a "refugee and a journalist" shouldn't be any sort of get out of jail free card. And the charges (which Tim didn't seem to be familiar with when he made the video) aren't about either of those things.
tl;dr Crying censorship here isn't justified based on what I've seen (and posted in this thread).
I can guarantee you didn't try to watch the video I posted...
I typed that reply up while I was watching it. Where do you think I got the "refugee and journalist" thing from. Not that he explicitly said that it was a get out of jail free card but that his status as either is irrelevant to the crime he's being charged with so why even bring it up?
What makes you think I didn't watch?
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@boomzilla said in Assange Arrested:
@Polygeekery said in Assange Arrested:
@boomzilla said in Assange Arrested:
@Polygeekery said in Assange Arrested:
I guess censorship is alive and well.
If he'd just have taken more showers maybe they wouldn't have given him up.
Being a "refugee and a journalist" shouldn't be any sort of get out of jail free card. And the charges (which Tim didn't seem to be familiar with when he made the video) aren't about either of those things.
tl;dr Crying censorship here isn't justified based on what I've seen (and posted in this thread).
I can guarantee you didn't try to watch the video I posted...
I typed that reply up while I was watching it. Where do you think I got the "refugee and journalist" thing from. Not that he explicitly said that it was a get out of jail free card but that his status as either is irrelevant to the crime he's being charged with so why even bring it up?
What makes you think I didn't watch?
Because earlier when I tried to watch it I got the "This video has been removed" notification. Which is why I made the comment I did. He must have gotten it restored.
So now you can accuse me of not watching it, and you can be correct. :)
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@Polygeekery said in Assange Arrested:
So now you can accuse me of not watching it, and you can be correct. :)
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@TimeBandit said in Assange Arrested:
Not after Brexit actually happen
that's actually not EU but Council of Europe so unless they pull back out of those treaties as well it will still standhere have a handy diagram to clear things up ...
fuck me sideways ... now even I am confused
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@Luhmann Why TF is Turkey in that? Do they have any human rights?!
Filed under: okay, they don't have death penalty, so they're ahead of the US at least
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@topspin And so is Russia as well, I think. They both (Turkey and Russia) get regularly condemned by the court, and yet they're not screaming about losing their independence to a foreign court like the UK is doing about it. But that's more suited for a garage Brexit thread.
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@boomzilla said in Assange Arrested:
So, yeah, that's not about publishing the stuff but about helping to crack passwords, which seems pretty legit.
I read in another article that this charge was more or less what the US government found they could reasonably charge him for without falling under the 1st amendment. No idea whether it's true or not, but it doesn't seem unlikely.
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@boomzilla said in Assange Arrested:
If he'd just have taken more showers maybe they wouldn't have given him up.
Well at least, after 7 years, they can finally change the bedsheets....
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@Luhmann To even add some further confusion, some countries, while not using the euro, have bound their own currency to the value of the euro, such as Denmark. So while they are not using the Euro, they might just as well be using it.
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@remi said in Assange Arrested:
@boomzilla said in Assange Arrested:
So, yeah, that's not about publishing the stuff but about helping to crack passwords, which seems pretty legit.
I read in another article that this charge was more or less what the US government found they could reasonably charge him for without falling under the 1st amendment. No idea whether it's true or not, but it doesn't seem unlikely.
Which is to say: that's the law he's broken, yes. My point exactly.
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Breaking: Ecuadorian cleaners threaten to go on strike because of allegedly abusive working conditions, pictures leak onto internet...
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@jinpa said in Assange Arrested:
@El_Heffe said in Assange Arrested:
ProTip: Be a little nicer to people who are trying to help you.
It's also kind of funny, but he's been effectively under house arrest for seven years. If he'd taken his licks, he might have spent a few years in a cushy Federal white collar prison with tennis courts, and maybe he'd be out by now, like Manning.
I don't think he was doing what he was doing to avoid prison. In his eyes he did nothing wrong, so any formal imprisonment is an injustice to him, and he wants to make a statement by defying his political enemies. Giving himself in would satisfy the very people he was up against, and that's the last thing he wanted.
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@boomzilla said in Assange Arrested:
So, yeah, that's not about publishing the stuff but about helping to crack passwords, which seems pretty legit.
Seems like another WTF on the Army's part. I had thought that Manning had open access to the data. But if it was password protected, and Assange was able to successfully help him guess it, then it suggests one of two possibilities:
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There was no limit on the amount of tries before the account was locked;
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It was ridiculously easy to guess, e.g. "password" or <department name>.
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@jinpa said in Assange Arrested:
It was ridiculously easy to guess, e.g. "password" or <department name>.
Or, being the army, 00000000; I've got the same password on my
luggagenuclear missile!
For 20 Years the Nuclear Launch Code at US Minuteman Silos Was 00000000
Today I found out that during the height of the Cold War, the US military put such an emphasis on a rapid response to an attack on American soil, that to minimize any foreseeable delay in launching a nuclear missile, for nearly two decades they intentionally set the launch codes at every silo in...
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@jinpa said in Assange Arrested:
... and Assange was able to successfully help him guess it ...
Tsk.
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@jinpa said in Assange Arrested:
@boomzilla said in Assange Arrested:
So, yeah, that's not about publishing the stuff but about helping to crack passwords, which seems pretty legit.
Seems like another WTF on the Army's part. I had thought that Manning had open access to the data. But if it was password protected, and Assange was able to successfully help him guess it, then it suggests one of two possibilities:
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There was no limit on the amount of tries before the account was locked;
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It was ridiculously easy to guess, e.g. "password" or <department name>.
Or wikileaks or Ass-agne had gotten leaks that held the password.
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