EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders
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Welcome to the future! It's shit.
The EU plans to test an AI lie detector at border points
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iBorderCtrl, will run for six months in Hungary, Latvia and Greece.
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@blek said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
Welcome to the future! It's shit.
The EU plans to test an AI lie detector at border points
iBorderCtrl, will run for six months in Hungary, Latvia and Greece.
AI can't even tell I'm not a robot.
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@xaade said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@blek said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
Welcome to the future! It's shit.
The EU plans to test an AI lie detector at border points
iBorderCtrl, will run for six months in Hungary, Latvia and Greece.
AI can't even tell I'm not a robot.
"Early testing of a previous iteration only had a 76 percent success rate, but a member of the iBorderCtrl team told New Scientist that they are “quite confident” that can be raised to 85 percent."
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@jinpa said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@xaade said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@blek said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
Welcome to the future! It's shit.
The EU plans to test an AI lie detector at border points
iBorderCtrl, will run for six months in Hungary, Latvia and Greece.
AI can't even tell I'm not a robot.
"Early testing of a previous iteration only had a 76 percent success rate, but a member of the iBorderCtrl team told New Scientist that they are “quite confident” that can be raised to 85 percent."
So, one in four terrorists get through and one in four innocent people get blocked.
It compiles, ship it.
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Are we sure they're not looking for replicants?
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@boomzilla Is there a constant repetition of "CELLS" coming from the border?
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@boomzilla said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
Are we sure they're not looking for replicants?
That sounds like something a synth would say.
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@boomzilla So, tell me about that tortoise...
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@blek said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
The EU plans to test an AI lie detector at border points
iBorderCtrl, will run for six months in Hungary, Latvia and Greece.
The newest in plausible deniability technology.
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@Gąska said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@blek said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
The EU plans to test an AI lie detector at border points
iBorderCtrl, will run for six months in Hungary, Latvia and Greece.
The newest in plausible deniability technology.
Our research has found the AI has a higher error rate on (black people/white people/jews/women/men/homosexuals) (cross out what does not apply)
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@xaade said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@blek said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
Welcome to the future! It's shit.
The EU plans to test an AI lie detector at border points
iBorderCtrl, will run for six months in Hungary, Latvia and Greece.
AI can't even tell I'm not a robot.
Paging @Tsaukpaetra
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@PleegWat said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@Gąska said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@blek said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
The EU plans to test an AI lie detector at border points
iBorderCtrl, will run for six months in Hungary, Latvia and Greece.
The newest in plausible deniability technology.
Our research has found the AI has a higher error rate on (black people/white people/jews/women/men/homosexuals) (cross out what does not apply)
Apple has beat you to the punch.
The iPhone X is slammed as RACIST by Chinese users
Increasingly iPhone users in China - a country of more than a billion people - are concerned about their iPhone X's security features. Pictured is a son unlocking his mother's iphone using Face ID.
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@DogsB said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@PleegWat said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@Gąska said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@blek said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
The EU plans to test an AI lie detector at border points
iBorderCtrl, will run for six months in Hungary, Latvia and Greece.
The newest in plausible deniability technology.
Our research has found the AI has a higher error rate on (black people/white people/jews/women/men/homosexuals) (cross out what does not apply)
Apple has beat you to the punch.
Increasingly iPhone users in China - a country of more than a billion people - are concerned about their iPhone X's security features. Pictured is a son unlocking his mother's iphone using Face ID.
From the article about facial recognition:
This was despite the pair having a number of different features, including different haircuts
Quality
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@bjolling said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@DogsB said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@PleegWat said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@Gąska said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@blek said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
The EU plans to test an AI lie detector at border points
iBorderCtrl, will run for six months in Hungary, Latvia and Greece.
The newest in plausible deniability technology.
Our research has found the AI has a higher error rate on (black people/white people/jews/women/men/homosexuals) (cross out what does not apply)
Apple has beat you to the punch.
Increasingly iPhone users in China - a country of more than a billion people - are concerned about their iPhone X's security features. Pictured is a son unlocking his mother's iphone using Face ID.
From the article about facial recognition:
This was despite the pair having a number of different features, including different haircuts
QualityTo be fair I chose the daily mail for this one because the headline made me laugh the most.
I originally heard it on grumpy old geeks but I can't be arsed linking to the audio. 
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@bjolling said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@DogsB said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@PleegWat said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@Gąska said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@blek said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
The EU plans to test an AI lie detector at border points
iBorderCtrl, will run for six months in Hungary, Latvia and Greece.
The newest in plausible deniability technology.
Our research has found the AI has a higher error rate on (black people/white people/jews/women/men/homosexuals) (cross out what does not apply)
Apple has beat you to the punch.
Increasingly iPhone users in China - a country of more than a billion people - are concerned about their iPhone X's security features. Pictured is a son unlocking his mother's iphone using Face ID.
From the article about facial recognition:
This was despite the pair having a number of different features, including different haircuts
QualityJust a shame that the iPhone's face-unlock system should ignore the person's haircut. Imagine the outrage for "I had a haircut and now I can't unlock my phone!" ...
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@pie_flavor I have been summoned, and so I appear.
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@bjolling said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@DogsB said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@PleegWat said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@Gąska said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@blek said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
The EU plans to test an AI lie detector at border points
iBorderCtrl, will run for six months in Hungary, Latvia and Greece.
The newest in plausible deniability technology.
Our research has found the AI has a higher error rate on (black people/white people/jews/women/men/homosexuals) (cross out what does not apply)
Apple has beat you to the punch.
Increasingly iPhone users in China - a country of more than a billion people - are concerned about their iPhone X's security features. Pictured is a son unlocking his mother's iphone using Face ID.
From the article about facial recognition:
This was despite the pair having a number of different features, including different haircuts
QualityLast I checked, hair style is not a facial quality.
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@Rhywden said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@boomzilla So, tell me about that tortoise...
How about I tell you about my mother?
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@DogsB said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
Increasingly iPhone users in China - a country of more than a billion people - are concerned about their iPhone X's security features. Pictured is a son unlocking his mother's iphone using Face ID.
The article doesn't actually say who described it with the word "racist'. The concept of racism might be a modern Western invention.
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@jinpa NAA it's just the mail being the mail
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@DogsB You know a newspaper is reliable when there's one word in ALL CAPS in every headline.
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@pie_flavor said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
I thought you guys liked stronger borders?
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@anonymous234 said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@DogsB You know a newspaper is reliable when
there's one word in ALL CAPS in every headline.it has the journalistic integrity of breitbart and the accuracy of a moron trying to give a speech on acid, right? Even just reading the article, it has two sources: a facebook post from a secondary source and a local news site that itself cites zero sources and adds nothing to the credibility of the story. Furthermore, it doesn't list the author of the article. Yet another perfect example of the shady practices that made dailymail famous for being a fake news site. For all we know, this entire situation could be made up, and even assuming the local news site is telling the truth to the best of their ability, that still just means that the McD's franchise owner received a complaint and responded to that complaint in some fashion, which could just as easily have been to check security camera footage, see that the cop was not treated that way, and promptly ignore the complaint.
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@hungrier
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@DogsB said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@jinpa NAA it's just the mail
being the mailearning their nickname againFTFY
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@DogsB said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
From the article about facial recognition:This was despite the pair having a number of different features, including different haircuts
QualityThe article was written this way because the only distinction DailyMail can make between these chinese people, is their haircut, and they didn't want to admit how RACIST© they felt about it.
If these journalists can't differentiate between the chinese, why expect that a computer-program can? conclusion: DailyMail is discriminating Apple's Facetime.
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@blek if it prevents merkel et al from crossing the borders, i'll call it a roaring success
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@bjolling said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@DogsB said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@PleegWat said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@Gąska said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@blek said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
The EU plans to test an AI lie detector at border points
iBorderCtrl, will run for six months in Hungary, Latvia and Greece.
The newest in plausible deniability technology.
Our research has found the AI has a higher error rate on (black people/white people/jews/women/men/homosexuals) (cross out what does not apply)
Apple has beat you to the punch.
Increasingly iPhone users in China - a country of more than a billion people - are concerned about their iPhone X's security features. Pictured is a son unlocking his mother's iphone using Face ID.
From the article about facial recognition:
This was despite the pair having a number of different features, including different haircuts
QualityJust a shame that the iPhone's face-unlock system should ignore the person's haircut. Imagine the outrage for "I had a haircut and now I can't unlock my phone!" ...
Precisely what I was just thinking.
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@pie_flavor said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
From the guys with CCTV
at every cornerin everybody’s bathroom and the proverbial “license for that butter knife”?!
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@Polygeekery said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@bjolling said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@DogsB said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@PleegWat said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@Gąska said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@blek said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
The EU plans to test an AI lie detector at border points
iBorderCtrl, will run for six months in Hungary, Latvia and Greece.
The newest in plausible deniability technology.
Our research has found the AI has a higher error rate on (black people/white people/jews/women/men/homosexuals) (cross out what does not apply)
Apple has beat you to the punch.
Increasingly iPhone users in China - a country of more than a billion people - are concerned about their iPhone X's security features. Pictured is a son unlocking his mother's iphone using Face ID.
From the article about facial recognition:
This was despite the pair having a number of different features, including different haircuts
QualityJust a shame that the iPhone's face-unlock system should ignore the person's haircut. Imagine the outrage for "I had a haircut and now I can't unlock my phone!" ...
Precisely what I was just thinking.
From what I read, the system is even of capable of compensating for beard growth.
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@levicki
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actual logo for comparison
also: damn you @pie_flavor
edit: where'd it get that black background from?
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@kazitor When you copy to clipboard, Windows strips out the transparency. Download it instead.
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@pie_flavor no it doesn't?
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@sloosecannon It's done that to me every time I've tried, including just yesterday when I forgot and tried to copy-paste the iBorderCtrl logo and ended up with that exact black-background result.
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@pie_flavor said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@sloosecannon It's done that to me every time I've tried, including just yesterday when I forgot and tried to copy-paste the iBorderCtrl logo and ended up with that exact black-background result.
Where are you pasting to? Maybe it's the receiving application's fault
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@sloosecannon Every single application. Chrome itself (to imgur/Android Messages/Gmail), GIMP, Discord, etc. I have an application installed to manage a clipboard history (after I started noticing it, so it's not the cause), and it shows a black background in the clipboard data too. And you're talking about this right after @kazitor did the exact same thing.
You tell me. What combination of OS and applications are you using that let it not happen to you?
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@pie_flavor said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@sloosecannon Every single application. Chrome itself (to imgur/Android Messages/Gmail), GIMP, Discord, etc. I have an application installed to manage a clipboard history (after I started noticing it, so it's not the cause), and it shows a black background in the clipboard data too. And you're talking about this right after @kazitor did the exact same thing.
You tell me. What combination of OS and applications are you using that let it not happen to you?Windows 10, Chrome, to PowerPoint.
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@pie_flavor I believe the program I use for image manipulation can handle pasting transparency, but naturally it takes a while (like what, ten whole seconds?) to start and
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@sloosecannon if I paste to PowerPoint, it's gray instead of black.
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@pie_flavor said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
it's gray instead of black
How many shades?
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@Luhmann At least three and a half.
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@pie_flavor So more like three fiddy?
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I bet this'll work as well as those stupid facial-recognition ePassport gates. You are supposed to poke your passport in and stand still while it recognises you:
Three times I've tried to use one and every single time it has failed. Then you have to trudge to the normal border control desk queue, but this time you're behind everyone else because of all the frigging around you just did. Judging by the amount of other people round me having the same issues the success rate is
unacceptablein-line with it being made by the lowest bidder.
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@Cursorkeys said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
Three times I've tried to use one and every single time it has failed. Then you have to trudge to the normal border control desk queue, but this time you're behind everyone else because of all the frigging around you just did. Judging by the amount of other people round me having the same issues the success rate is unacceptablein-line with it being made by the lowest bidder.
They don't care because their workload was reduced by 30%.
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@xaade said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
@Cursorkeys said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
Three times I've tried to use one and every single time it has failed. Then you have to trudge to the normal border control desk queue, but this time you're behind everyone else because of all the frigging around you just did. Judging by the amount of other people round me having the same issues the success rate is unacceptablein-line with it being made by the lowest bidder.
They don't care because their workload was reduced by 30%.
I'd say a 30% success rate seems like it would be pushing it. But, you're probably right.
I also wonder what the false-positive is like on those things.
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@Cursorkeys said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
I also wonder what the false-positive is like on those things.
I suspect they are legally required to keep the false-positive rate zero, interpreted as 'as small as possible', which causes the false negative/fail rate to be so high.
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@pie_flavor said in EU testing "lie-detecting" AI on external borders:
You tell me. What combination of OS and applications are you using that let it not happen to you?
Vivaldi to paint.net on Windows 10 keeps the transparency.
Looking at what Vivaldi puts on the clipboard, there's a standard BITMAP and two forms of DIB along with a link to the image file and an HTML snippet that shows the image. Chrome omits the link.
I didn't dig into what exactly each of the three graphics has in it (my cruddy Clipboard viewer only shows them in binary), but DIBV5s support proper transparency. It's up to the Pasting application which one to use, though.
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