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@RobFreundlich said in GPS tracking for...:
@Gąska said in GPS tracking for...:
Bottom line is: there are plenty of arguments why state knowing everything there is to know about a citizen is bad, but these arguments don't work at all if you want to show that a parent knowing everything there is to know about a child is bad.
- Children need to develop autonomy from their parents. Particularly as they get older and approach adulthood.
Conversely, it's not as important when they're younger.
The parent knowing everything about the child gets in the way of this and leads to things like teacup children and helicopter parents.
You can have all the knowledge and choose not to use it. It's tricky, but it's doable. Like all parenting.
- Privacy is a basic human need. Children are human beings. Ergo children need privacy. Do they have a right to as much privacy as adults? Maybe not - I could be convinced of either side of that question. But that doesn't mean they don't have a right to any privacy at all.
I'm not going to argue that, as I don't know enough about psychology to dispute what actual child psychologists say. But I'm not going to agree either, because last time I agreed with psychologists, everyone called me a retard
- There is absolutely no way a parent is going to know everything about their child anyway.
Yes, it was a bit of an exaggeration. But my point was that the arguments in case of state and citizens don't work in case of parent and child. Just look how different your post is than if it were about, say, Google transmitting home everyone's GPS location in real time all the time.
Yes, a very-difficult-to-remove GPS anklet will tell the parents where the child is at all times, but so what? Will it tell them who he is with? What she's doing with those people? What he is thinking? Kids do crazy, dangerous shit right in their own homes.
Even if it's not 100% guarantee nothing bad will ever happen (I mean, duh), you can't deny there's still great utility in knowing where the child is when they're not home when they're supposed to.
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@Gąska said in GPS tracking for...:
But my point was that the arguments in case of state and citizens don't work in case of parent and child. Just look how different your post is than if it were about, say, Google transmitting home everyone's GPS location in real time all the time.
I don't know what @RobFreundlich thinks, but to me there's basically no difference: both are unacceptable. Hell, how would you explain that to your kid?
"Listen carefully: nobody has a right to know everything you do, even if they say that's for your own good.
Well, nobody except me, of course. But that's, huh... for your own good. Trust me on that one."
Yeah, right.
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@Gąska said in GPS tracking for...:
I'm not going to argue that, as I don't know enough about psychology to dispute what actual child psychologists say. But I'm not going to agree either, because last time I agreed with psychologists, everyone called me a retard
We're going to do that anyway.
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@Zerosquare said in GPS tracking for...:
@Gąska said in GPS tracking for...:
But my point was that the arguments in case of state and citizens don't work in case of parent and child. Just look how different your post is than if it were about, say, Google transmitting home everyone's GPS location in real time all the time.
I don't know what @RobFreundlich thinks, but to me there's basically no difference: both are unacceptable.
Maybe, but certainly for different reasons. I mean, you don't want the child to have an advantage over the parent like you want the citizen to have over the state, do you?
Hell, how would you explain that to your kid?
The usual way: twist the truth until they're old enough to understand the real truth. Like eating vegetables, smoking and drinking, doing well at school, and all the other things where a young child knowing the straight truth would be detrimental to their good behavior.
@pie_flavor said in GPS tracking for...:
@Gąska said in GPS tracking for...:
I'm not going to argue that, as I don't know enough about psychology to dispute what actual child psychologists say. But I'm not going to agree either, because last time I agreed with psychologists, everyone called me a retard
We're going to do that anyway.
Yeah, I've noticed it's become a running joke around here.
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@Gąska said in GPS tracking for...:
Maybe, but certainly for different reasons.
No, for exactly the same reason: human beings deserve not to be scrutinized all the time, no matter how "good" or convenient it may be appear to other people.
The usual way: twist the truth until they're old enough to understand the real truth.
Children are smarter than you think, and they're good at spotting the cracks in the painting. This may work for a while, but it may also bite you in the ass when they figure out you're twisting the truth, and start distrusting you.
A child young enough to need adult supervision all the time shouldn't be left alone in the first place, and so doesn't need a tracking device. And if the child is mature enough to be left unsupervised, you can teach him to call you (and call him if he's late).
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@Zerosquare said in GPS tracking for...:
@Gąska said in GPS tracking for...:
Maybe, but certainly for different reasons.
No, for exactly the same reason: human beings deserve not to be scrutinized all the time, no matter how "good" or convenient it may be appear to other people.
You certainly have a different approach to law and government than me.
The usual way: twist the truth until they're old enough to understand the real truth.
Children are smarter than you think
They are, but they still have limits. What age are we talking about exactly? Because it matters a lot for things like this.
and they're good at spotting the cracks in the painting.
And that's why it's important to form a strong bond with the child. So they're not afraid of talking with you, even if it's about their concerns with what you've told them earlier. And then you can explain things better to them than you did before.
This may work for a while, but it may also bite you in the ass when they figure out you're twisting the truth, and start distrusting you.
The key is to be honest most of the time, and to tell them the truth once they're old enough to understand the truth. Eventually you're forced to admit that you lied to them just a little - hopefully, they're old enough by then to understand why you did that.
I certainly can't imagine being absolutely honest with 10 years old about why they have to learn so much at school. That would count as bad parenting in most people's books.
A child young enough to need adult supervision all the time shouldn't be left alone in the first place, and so doesn't need a tracking device. And if the child is mature enough to be left unsupervised, you can teach him to call you (and call him if he's late).
The problem begins when they routinely don't hear the ringtone because they have their phone silenced. Also, relying on the phone for tracking isn't the best solution when they routinely forget to charge it.
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@Gąska said in GPS tracking for...:
You certainly have a different approach to law and government than me.
That's entirely possible.
They are, but they still have limits. What age are we talking about exactly?
Because it matters a lot for things like this.I was gonna ask the same question. It may partially explain why we disagree.
And that's why it's important to form a strong bond with the child. So they're not afraid of talking with you, even if it's about their concerns with what you've told them earlier. And then you can explain things better to them than you did before.
Sure, but part of a strong bond is "I trust you (up to a point) to do the right thing". A tracking device is pretty much sending the opposite message.
I certainly can't imagine being absolutely honest with 10 years old about why they have to learn so much at school. That would count as bad parenting in most people's books.
Yeah, explaining how screwed the world really is to 10-year old child would be cruel. But if I remember how I was at that age, I'd definitely would not have let my parents force me to wear a tracking device without serious arguing. And even if I didn't mind it, discussion with other children would have quickly raised questions.
The problem begins when they routinely don't hear the ringtone because they have their phone silenced. Also, relying on the phone for tracking isn't the best solution when they routinely forget to charge it.
The idea is not to track them, it's to be able to stay in contact if the need arises. A rugged feature phone is perfect for that, and some only need a charge once every one or two weeks.
They may forget to call you and have the ringtone muted once or twice. When that happens, have a discussion with them to make them understand it's an important thing to you. It's not the end of the world.
Children used to be a lot less micromanaged 20 or 30 years ago, and they grew up just fine. If anything, today's youth mental health is now significantly worse than it used to be.
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@Zerosquare said in GPS tracking for...:
They are, but they still have limits. What age are we talking about exactly?
Because it matters a lot for things like this.I was gonna ask the same question. It may partially explain why we disagree.
I was thinking of 12-13 years old. Old enough to roam around the city on their own (with friends), not old enough to think of the consequences of their actions all the time.
And that's why it's important to form a strong bond with the child. So they're not afraid of talking with you, even if it's about their concerns with what you've told them earlier. And then you can explain things better to them than you did before.
Sure, but part of a strong bond is "I trust you (up to a point) to do the right thing". A tracking device is pretty much sending the opposite message.
On the other hand, a tracking device alone won't break a strong bond that's been developed over years. At least I hope so.
I certainly can't imagine being absolutely honest with 10 years old about why they have to learn so much at school. That would count as bad parenting in most people's books.
Yeah, explaining how screwed the world really is to 10-year old child would be cruel. But if I remember how I was at that age, I'd definitely would not have let my parents force me to wear a tracking device without serious arguing. And even if I didn't mind it, discussion with other children would have quickly raised questions.
Yeah, it would be a very hard sell. But a lot of emotional talking down and presenting it as their own choice could help. "I'm really worried about you, it breaks my heart, that's why I want to know where you are. But it's up to you. Either you are home everyday by 7PM, or you get this tracker and get to stay with friends longer, and sleepovers are okay if you don't have school the next day. I want the best for you etc. etc. So, your call."
I'm so glad I won't have to really think of that myself for at least next 15 years.
The problem begins when they routinely don't hear the ringtone because they have their phone silenced. Also, relying on the phone for tracking isn't the best solution when they routinely forget to charge it.
The idea is not to track them, it's to be able to stay in contact if the need arises. A rugged feature phone is perfect for that, and some only need a charge once every one or two weeks.
They may forget to call you and have the ringtone muted once or twice. When that happens, have a discussion with them to make them understand it's an important thing to you. It's not the end of the world.
We've been discussing exactly that with my younger sister for several years. It didn't help.
Children used to be a lot less micromanaged 20 or 30 years ago, and they grew up just fine. If anything, today's youth mental health is now significantly worse than it used to be.
I can't really argue that, since I'm too young to know, and 30 years ago we've had a revolution around here and that messed everything up, and my grandparents weren't exactly the best at parenting. But I think that the main reason why it was so different is that the technology simply wasn't there. Also, beating up children wasn't frowned upon.
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Black Mirror, season 4, Arkangel. Jfc
Oh and some scum-ass cfo must have spent a fuuuuuuck barrel of money on seo scams, because when you search for the episode, the top link is from one of these shit-sniffing companies that peddles gps trackers, and their blog "no, really, implanting your kids with gps trackers is a Good Thing" lol
Just remember: literally every single "we will hold onto all this private data of yours" services ends up either sold to marketers... or the company gets bought and THEN the data is sold to marketers... or they lose it all to a hack. So, how much of your kid's location, daily movement patterns, and exactly which stores they were in and for how long (which can all be linked back to what they bought on their or your account) do you want to hand over to malicious actors
for freefor them charging you $120/year.
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@Gąska said in GPS tracking for...:
On the other hand, a tracking device alone won't break a strong bond that's been developed over years. At least I hope so.
I woudn't be so sure. It probably depends on the child.
Yeah, it would be a very hard sell. But a lot of emotional talking down and presenting it as their own choice could help. "I'm really worried about you, it breaks my heart, that's why I want to know where you are. But it's up to you. Either you are home everyday by 7PM, or you get this tracker and get to stay with friends longer, and sleepovers are okay if you don't have school the next day. I want the best for you etc. etc. So, your call."
If the child is having a sleepover at a friend's house, isn't it implied that the friend's parents are present? In that case, your kid is being supervised by at least another adult, and you have their contact info and address. I don't see how a tracking device would be needed.
We've been discussing exactly that with my younger sister for several years. It didn't help.
IIRC, your sister had/has serious problems with authority in general, right? I'm not sure it's typical of every child.
I think that the main reason why it was so different is that the technology simply wasn't there.
True, but the general attitude was different as well: most parents didn't consider their children to be fragile little things that needed to be protected from (real or imagined) dangers all the time quite as much. For example, getting hurt while playing was considered a learning experience (and you'd get punished if you did something really dangerous), not something worthy of a lawsuit.
Also, beating up children wasn't frowned upon.
That too, but it's a can of worms I'd rather not open.
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@Gąska Nah. The old times were different because we were less civilized then. In the old times child molesters were hanged. Now that they have easy access to internet forums, and can chat up teens without the parents ever seeing it, we let them off with 2-4 years of jail time. Or less, if the kid did not have the presence of mind to physically resist.
...I'm sorry for all of this ranting of issues entirely local to Finland. Just had to get them off my chest.
As a consolation prize, take this good reason to choose very carefully which model of tracker you put on your child:
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@Zerosquare said in GPS tracking for...:
Yeah, it would be a very hard sell. But a lot of emotional talking down and presenting it as their own choice could help. "I'm really worried about you, it breaks my heart, that's why I want to know where you are. But it's up to you. Either you are home everyday by 7PM, or you get this tracker and get to stay with friends longer, and sleepovers are okay if you don't have school the next day. I want the best for you etc. etc. So, your call."
If the child is having a sleepover at a friend's house, isn't it implied that the friend's parents are present? In that case, your kid is being supervised by at least another adult, and you have their contact info and address. I don't see how a tracking device would be needed.
Most parents usually require the child to ask for permission beforehand, and not at the last minute.
We've been discussing exactly that with my younger sister for several years. It didn't help.
IIRC, your sister had/has serious problems with authority in general, right? I'm not sure it's typical of every child.
Nope. She's a good child. She's just extremely dismissive about being on time (both at school and home) and about keeping eye on incoming calls.
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@acrow said in GPS tracking for...:
As a consolation prize, take this good reason to choose very carefully which model of tracker you put on your child:
Most likely one that is not specifically designed for tracking children.
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@Gąska said in GPS tracking for...:
@acrow said in GPS tracking for...:
As a consolation prize, take this good reason to choose very carefully which model of tracker you put on your child:
Most likely one that is not specifically designed for tracking children.
The product's name is "Kids Watcher". The marketing blurb is "The best locator watch for your loved kids". (According to the article.)
Oh, wait. You meant that you'll use one that is not meant for tracking children. Ok, gotcha. Good choise.
But is there an industry (or even a company) where they actually take this kind of safety seriously, yet?
So far, I've read of easily hackable/trackable:- ATMs
- Cars
- Police cars (3G transceiver offered GPS location on WAN side)
- Reaper semi-drones
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@Carnage said in GPS tracking for...:
If it's an actual emergency, what bloody good will a GPS tracker do the parent in that situation?
It makes it easier to find the body afterward...
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@acrow if they hack it, what's the worst thing that can happen? With Kids Watcher, it's bad because the hacker gets child's full name, full address, photo, and they can make voice calls to child. But with a generic locator, what can happen that couldn't happen without locator?
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@ixvedeusi said in GPS tracking for...:
IMHO this should be illegal without a court order or something equivalent.
Why? Children are just weird irritating animals. And cowbells would make them even more irritating.
@Onyx said in GPS tracking for...:
The paranoia is really reaching insane levels, isn't it?
I went to school and back on my own from age of 8, just like all other kids from my neighbourhood. Now I see 14 year olds driven to school doors by parents. I just can't wait to live in a world built by that sheltered generation.
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@MrL said in GPS tracking for...:
I just can't wait to live in a world built by that sheltered generation.
Maybe someone will finally take security seriously.
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@Planar said in GPS tracking for...:
@Carnage said in GPS tracking for...:
If it's an actual emergency, what bloody good will a GPS tracker do the parent in that situation?
It makes it easier to find the body afterwards...
So you can resurrect it? https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/120082/what-spells-are-available-to-resurrect-characters
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@bjolling or do other funny things, like live-sized dolls.
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@Gąska said in GPS tracking for...:
live-sized dolls
just remember that opening a brothel still is frowned upon
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@Luhmann said in GPS tracking for...:
@Gąska said in GPS tracking for...:
live-sized dolls
just remember that opening a brothel still is frowned upon
You can get in trouble for much less.
Sicko stole corpses of 29 kids, mummified them and dressed them up as dolls
THIS is the fiend who dug up 29 dead children before mummifying them and turning their corpses into dolls in the flat he shared with his oblivious parents. Anatoly Moskvin, 52, admitted the horrifi…
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@MrL said in GPS tracking for...:
I went to school and back on my own from age of 8, just like all other kids from my neighbourhood. Now I see 14 year olds driven to school doors by parents. I just can't wait to live in a world built by that sheltered generation.
How much of that is sheltering, and how much of that is school districts deciding they don't feel like busing students to school anymore? (The district where I grew up used to bus students more than a half-mile from their school. Now it's 1.5 miles. In a Michigan winter that's dangerous.)
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@Unperverted-Vixen said in GPS tracking for...:
@MrL said in GPS tracking for...:
I went to school and back on my own from age of 8, just like all other kids from my neighbourhood. Now I see 14 year olds driven to school doors by parents. I just can't wait to live in a world built by that sheltered generation.
How much of that is sheltering, and how much of that is school districts deciding they don't feel like busing students to school anymore? (The district where I grew up used to bus students more than a half-mile from their school. Now it's 1.5 miles. In a Michigan winter that's dangerous.)
Seconded. I walked 3.5km (2.2miles?) to primary school at for grades 3-6, then 1.5km to nearest bus stop for grades 7-9 in a different facility. Dirt road through forest, mostly.
Grades 1-2 got taxi'd for distances longer than 2.5km, and 3-6 for longer than 4.5-5km, if I recall.
The same school is still standing, and education budget sure hasn't grown any, so I guess children are still walking that. And the road wasn't paved either, last I checked.Exactly how cold do the winters get in Michigan?
Helsinki gets -25C sometimes, Jyväskylä (where I grew up) gets -28C at times, and in Lapland they enjoy -32C with depressing regularity. And no, I'm not aware of schools ever having been closed on account of weather. But I'm well aware that this is a cultural thing.
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@Gąska said in GPS tracking for...:
@Zerosquare said in GPS tracking for...:
Sure, but part of a strong bond is "I trust you (up to a point) to do the right thing". A tracking device is pretty much sending the opposite message.
On the other hand, a tracking device alone won't break a strong bond that's been developed over years. At least I hope so.
Putting an ankle bracelet GPS tracker on a soon-to-be teenager, who would naturally start their rebellious phase of distrusting adults anyway?
I wouldn't say break trust, more like shatter.
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@topspin if what you said was true, we'd hear as many stories of kids breaking free from GPS tracking as we hear of parents putting GPS on their children. To me, it looks like the latter are at least two orders of magnitude more common.
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@acrow said in GPS tracking for...:
Exactly how cold do the winters get in Michigan?
Helsinki gets -25C sometimes, Jyväskylä (where I grew up) gets -28C at times, and in Lapland they enjoy -32C with depressing regularity. And no, I'm not aware of schools ever having been closed on account of weather. But I'm well aware that this is a cultural thing.Okay, not quite that cold. :) We get into single digits Fahrenheit (about -15C). Some years it may get below 0F (-20C to -25C), though not regularly.
Generally speaking they don't close them purely based on temperature, it tends to be whether or not the plows can get the parking lots cleared in time after a heavy snowfall. (1-2 days per year, if that.)
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@Unperverted-Vixen said in GPS tracking for...:
How much of that is sheltering, and how much of that is school districts deciding they don't feel like busing students to school anymore? (The district where I grew up used to bus students more than a half-mile from their school. Now it's 1.5 miles. In a Michigan winter that's dangerous.)
My school didn't bus. Then or now.
0.5km to bus stop. 4km by bus. 1km to school (through a forest).
Bus didn't arrive or I was late? I walked to school all the way. Just like everyone else.
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@MrL said in GPS tracking for...:
@Unperverted-Vixen said in GPS tracking for...:
How much of that is sheltering, and how much of that is school districts deciding they don't feel like busing students to school anymore? (The district where I grew up used to bus students more than a half-mile from their school. Now it's 1.5 miles. In a Michigan winter that's dangerous.)
My school didn't bus. Then or now.
0.5km to bus stop. 4km by bus. 1km to school (through a forest).
Bus didn't arrive or I was late? I walked to school all the wayuphill both ways in a blinding snowstorm. Just like everyone else.FTF
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@Unperverted-Vixen said in GPS tracking for...:
@acrow said in GPS tracking for...:
Exactly how cold do the winters get in Michigan?
Helsinki gets -25C sometimes, Jyväskylä (where I grew up) gets -28C at times, and in Lapland they enjoy -32C with depressing regularity. And no, I'm not aware of schools ever having been closed on account of weather. But I'm well aware that this is a cultural thing.Okay, not quite that cold. :) We get into single digits Fahrenheit (about -15C). Some years it may get below 0F (-20C to -25C), though not regularly.
Generally speaking they don't close them purely based on temperature, it tends to be whether or not the plows can get the parking lots cleared in time after a heavy snowfall. (1-2 days per year, if that.)
Yeah. The plowing. Half the countryside roads are dirt roads on private upkeep. Which means that they are plowed by farmers, using tractors. Or at least used to be. Farming seems to be a dying trade here, and road maintenance contracts get lumped up for bidding and subcontracted now. Helsinki airport used to be famous for staying open no matter how thick the snowfall. Now it closes down like the rest of them.
...I feel old now.
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@Onyx said in GPS tracking for...:
The paranoia is really reaching insane levels, isn't it? For fuck's sake, the world (at least the developed parts of it) is progressively getting safer and safer for like a century now, but people are getting more and more paranoid by the year.
As much as it sounds like a "raving lunatic" kind of statement, I can't shake the need to blame the media, both the mainstream kind and fearmongers on Facebook and similar, for this. Every time any kind of unfortunate tragedy happens it's publicized as if it's a regular occurrence, or a sign of the end days. I don't want to minimize any tragedy, but shit happens. It always happened. And it keeps happening less and less, but we worry about it more and more.
This * 1000
I know I am mad late. But an upvote wasn't enough to convey my agreement.
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@MrL said in GPS tracking for...:
I went to school and back on my own from age of 8
Wow, your parents were rather protective of you. (A couple years earlier than that was the norm around where I live when I was of school-going age.)
Edit (after reading follow-up posts): Okay, in my case the school was about 200 metres away: out the door, round two corners, and into the schoolyard. But I don’t remember kids who lived on farms outside the village being taken to school by their mothers for much longer than maybe age 6–7. If you were old enough to ride a bike on your own, you could go to school on your own too.
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@RobFreundlich said in GPS tracking for...:
There is absolutely no way a parent is going to know everything about their child anyway. Yes, a very-difficult-to-remove GPS anklet will tell the parents where the child is at all times, but so what? Will it tell them who he is with? What she's doing with those people? What he is thinking? Kids do crazy, dangerous shit right in their own homes.
And if they could... would it necessarily be better?
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@acrow said in GPS tracking for...:
Yeah. The plowing. Half the countryside roads are dirt roads on private upkeep. Which means that they are plowed by farmers, using tractors.
Of course you plow using a tractor. But plowing roads kind of makes them hard to drive along.
snowfall
Oh, you mean snow plows … I genuinely thought at first you were talking about this kind of plow:
http://www.biojournaal.nl/nieuws/2017/1220/ploeg.jpg
… which only causes trouble on roads rather than solve it when they’re used, due to mud falling onto the road when the farmer drives back home, which then becomes slippery after rain (though sugarbeat harvests are far worse).
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@Gąska said in GPS tracking for...:
@bjolling or do other funny things, like live-sized dolls.
Since my Black Mirror episode was
'd...
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@Gurth said in GPS tracking for...:
@acrow said in GPS tracking for...:
Yeah. The plowing. Half the countryside roads are dirt roads on private upkeep. Which means that they are plowed by farmers, using tractors.
Of course you plow using a tractor. But plowing roads kind of makes them hard to drive along.
snowfall
Oh, you mean snow plows … I genuinely thought at first you were talking about this kind of plow:
http://www.biojournaal.nl/nieuws/2017/1220/ploeg.jpg
… which only causes trouble on roads rather than solve it when they’re used, due to mud falling onto the road when the farmer drives back home, which then becomes slippery after rain (though sugarbeat harvests are far worse).
Actually... (imagine an annoying side character voice) a smaller tooth size plow is also used on dirt roads during the summer, to break up unwanted formations. That is, puddles turn to bumps which need to be leveled to keep the road driveable.
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@Gurth Right machine, wrong attachment
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@Gurth said in GPS tracking for...:
I always knew that as tilling.https://www.quora.com/Agriculture-What-is-the-difference-between-tilling-and-plowing
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@dcon That's a plough behind the tractor. The curved blades are turning the soil.
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@topspin said in GPS tracking for...:
I wouldn't say break trust, more like shatter.
Yeah... I can get the whole thing about talking to your child and telling them that you'd feel better if they were carrying some device that allows you to get in touch with them (or vice versa) if need be. But there's a rather big difference between that device being a phone or something unobtrusive and that device being an unremovable ankle bracelet with a loud siren that's designed to be used on (adult) criminals.
For reference, the OP's oneboxes have pictures of what that could look like. I don't see how anybody would wear that thing without strongly resenting whoever made them do so.
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@dcon said in GPS tracking for...:
@Gurth said in GPS tracking for...:
I always knew that as tilling.I’ve not read your link, but tilling is drawing tines or narrow blades through soil to break it up or loosen it, while plowing is using curved blades to turn the soil over. The picture I posted is of a field being plowed.
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@mott555 said in GPS tracking for...:
@Gurth Right machine, wrong attachment
For a second I thought I had gone mad: a Deutz Agrolux with yellow rims?? But simpler explanation: it is a John Deere of course. The world makes sense again.
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@bjolling That is amongst the most
ic things I've ever seen.
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@bjolling said in GPS tracking for...:
For a second I thought I had gone mad: a Deutz Agrolux with yellow rims?? But simpler explanation: it is a John Deere of course. The world makes sense again.
If it were a Deutz then at least the owner could put different rims on without an authorised mechanic having to come and tell the tractor’s firmware that this modification is okay.
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@Gąska said in GPS tracking for...:
@topspin if what you said was true, we'd hear as many stories of kids breaking free from GPS tracking as we hear of parents putting GPS on their children. To me, it looks like the latter are at least two orders of magnitude more common.
Yes, I won't believe anything until there the number of people getting out of GPS trackers
>>people in GPS trackers. IT MAKES SENSE!
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Step 1: Quote a rational position.
Step 2: Rewrite it so it says something completely different from the original, preferably something idiotic.
Step 3: Relentlessly mock your own writing.
Step 4: Claim victory.
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@Gąska Step 5: Mention sex with their mother.
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@pie_flavor said in GPS tracking for...:
@Gąska Step 5: Mention sex with their mother.
That’s only for disco-devs.
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"Black Mirror" Arkangel (TV Episode 2017) ⭐ 7.3 | Drama, Mystery, Sci-Fi
