The lesser of three browser evils
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@pie_flavor said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Windows PowerShell Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Loading personal and system profiles took 4390ms. C:\Users\Adam> cd ~\AppData\Roaming C:\Users\Adam\AppData\Roaming>
Forward slashes work too, but they're also non-standard. It's like missing
<html>
tag in HTML document.
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@Gąska said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Because I don't like photos staring at me all the time? I might be
reading garage topicswatching porn or something.
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@kazitor said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@bb36e said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@kazitor said in The lesser of three browser evils:
it hopefully steals my info less than the other two.
Do you mean your browser sucks up info, or your browser lets websites suck up info?
I mean the browser, with regards to privacy et al.
Chromium is the unbranded version of Chrome. So far I have only used it on Linux. But if you are concerned with Google using Chrome to invade privacy, I'm thinking it must be possible to use unbranded Chromium on Windows.
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I like Firefox. I was tempted to go Chrome, but then the Chrome/Chromium dev team and Google went into full insanity mode so I'm staying Firefox. It's nice, fast, looks good and just fucking works. I can opt into stuff I want and disable stuff I don't want. Addons works on both desktop and Android (not iOS because Apple says ). Also, it has a fox logo and everyone loves foxes! <3
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@pie_flavor said in The lesser of three browser evils:
I've seen plenty of programs that do that.
I've seen plenty of programs shit all over the root too but that doesn't make it right. Installing to
AppData
is stupid and actively harmful.
AppData
is supposed to be for program mutable data only. Everything else is supposed to go inProgram Files
.I've seen
/Local
sync itself to a roaming profile and as @El_Heffe said it does an end-run around permissions.
The major problem is that it cocks up making a GPO to disallow execution fromAppData
, this removes a huge vector from malware as they love trying to execute from temp directories.
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@Cursorkeys said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@pie_flavor said in The lesser of three browser evils:
I've seen plenty of programs that do that.
I've seen plenty of programs shit all over the root too but that doesn't make it right. Installing to
AppData
is stupid and actively harmful.
AppData
is supposed to be for program mutable data only. Everything else is supposed to go inProgram Files
.I've seen
/Local
sync itself to a roaming profile and as @El_Heffe said it does an end-run around permissions.
The major problem is that it cocks up making a GPO to disallow execution fromAppData
, this removes a huge vector from malware as they love trying to execute from temp directories.Then do explain why Microsoft ClickOnce does exactly this when installing its applications?
Also,
/Local
should absolutely never ever ever be synced to a roaming profile. I don't know why someone would set it up to do that but that's absolutely very much
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@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Then do explain why Microsoft ClickOnce does exactly this when installing its applications?
Microsoft has some people who've bought into this stupid idea?
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Also, /Local should absolutely never ever ever be synced to a roaming profile. I don't know why someone would set it up to do that but that's absolutely very much
Agreed, but it wasn't set up, it just randomly does this.
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@El_Heffe said in The lesser of three browser evils:
But you already knew that.
Someone doesn't know the difference between per-user and per-machine MSI installations...
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@Cursorkeys said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Then do explain why Microsoft ClickOnce does exactly this when installing its applications?
Microsoft has some people who've bought into this stupid idea?
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Also, /Local should absolutely never ever ever be synced to a roaming profile. I don't know why someone would set it up to do that but that's absolutely very much
Agreed, but it wasn't set up, it just randomly does this.
Must be the entire .NET team, along with the guys who did known folder IDs
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@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@Cursorkeys said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Then do explain why Microsoft ClickOnce does exactly this when installing its applications?
Microsoft has some people who've bought into this stupid idea?
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Also, /Local should absolutely never ever ever be synced to a roaming profile. I don't know why someone would set it up to do that but that's absolutely very much
Agreed, but it wasn't set up, it just randomly does this.
Must be the entire .NET team, along with the guys who did known folder IDs
Oh, and also the Windows Installer team.
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@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@Cursorkeys said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Then do explain why Microsoft ClickOnce does exactly this when installing its applications?
Microsoft has some people who've bought into this stupid idea?
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Also, /Local should absolutely never ever ever be synced to a roaming profile. I don't know why someone would set it up to do that but that's absolutely very much
Agreed, but it wasn't set up, it just randomly does this.
Must be the entire .NET team, along with the guys who did known folder IDs
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Oh, and also the Windows Installer team.
Yes. They're wrong, it's a terrible idea. It reduces security and it's not what users expect.
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@Atazhaia said in The lesser of three browser evils:
I like Firefox. I was tempted to go Chrome, but then the Chrome/Chromium dev team and Google went into full insanity mode so I'm staying Firefox. It's nice, fast, looks good and just fucking works. I can opt into stuff I want and disable stuff I don't want. Addons works on both desktop and Android (not iOS because Apple says ). Also, it has a fox logo and everyone loves foxes! <3
If you like Firefox but want to get off their crazy train, there's Pale Moon.
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@Cursorkeys said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@Cursorkeys said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Then do explain why Microsoft ClickOnce does exactly this when installing its applications?
Microsoft has some people who've bought into this stupid idea?
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Also, /Local should absolutely never ever ever be synced to a roaming profile. I don't know why someone would set it up to do that but that's absolutely very much
Agreed, but it wasn't set up, it just randomly does this.
Must be the entire .NET team, along with the guys who did known folder IDs
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Oh, and also the Windows Installer team.
Yes. They're wrong, it's a terrible idea. It reduces security and it's not what users expect.
I'm sorry but I think I'm going to trust the guys who wrote the standard over some random internet forum user...
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@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@Cursorkeys said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@Cursorkeys said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Then do explain why Microsoft ClickOnce does exactly this when installing its applications?
Microsoft has some people who've bought into this stupid idea?
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Also, /Local should absolutely never ever ever be synced to a roaming profile. I don't know why someone would set it up to do that but that's absolutely very much
Agreed, but it wasn't set up, it just randomly does this.
Must be the entire .NET team, along with the guys who did known folder IDs
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Oh, and also the Windows Installer team.
Yes. They're wrong, it's a terrible idea. It reduces security and it's not what users expect.
I'm sorry but I think I'm going to trust the guys who wrote the standard over some random internet forum user...
famous last words
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@Cursorkeys said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@Cursorkeys said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Then do explain why Microsoft ClickOnce does exactly this when installing its applications?
Microsoft has some people who've bought into this stupid idea?
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Also, /Local should absolutely never ever ever be synced to a roaming profile. I don't know why someone would set it up to do that but that's absolutely very much
Agreed, but it wasn't set up, it just randomly does this.
Must be the entire .NET team, along with the guys who did known folder IDs
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Oh, and also the Windows Installer team.
Yes. They're wrong, it's a terrible idea. It reduces security and it's not what users expect.
And it's completely standard. You forgot what point you were making halfway through, I think.
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@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
I'm sorry but I think I'm going to trust the guys who wrote the standard over some random internet forum user...
I'll have you know I'm very qualified on this matter, just ask my wife, Morgan Fairchild.
@pie_flavor said in The lesser of three browser evils:
And it's completely standard. You forgot what point you were making halfway through, I think.
But it wasn't standard, this is a new thing. And my point was always that it's stupid, for more than one good reason.
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Edge Vs Chrome might be a moot point soon anyway
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@Cursorkeys said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
I'm sorry but I think I'm going to trust the guys who wrote the standard over some random internet forum user...
I'll have you know I'm very qualified on this matter, just ask my wife, Morgan Fairchild.
And that boy grew up to be Albert Einstein.
@pie_flavor said in The lesser of three browser evils:
And it's completely standard. You forgot what point you were making halfway through, I think.
But it wasn't standard, this is a new thing. And my point was always that it's stupid, for more than one good reason.
Except it isn't.
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@pie_flavor said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@Cursorkeys said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@sloosecannon said in The lesser of three browser evils:
I'm sorry but I think I'm going to trust the guys who wrote the standard over some random internet forum user...
I'll have you know I'm very qualified on this matter, just ask my wife, Morgan Fairchild.
And that boy grew up to be Albert Einstein.
@pie_flavor said in The lesser of three browser evils:
And it's completely standard. You forgot what point you were making halfway through, I think.
But it wasn't standard, this is a new thing. And my point was always that it's stupid, for more than one good reason.
Except it isn't.
All I know is that I believe it to be more stupid now than before, whatever it is.
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@pie_flavor said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Loading personal and system profiles took 4390ms
That's so slow, does it load it from the cloud?
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@TimeBandit I've got a big profile script.
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@pie_flavor said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@TimeBandit I've got a big profile script.
I was under the impression that you didn't needed to script things on Windows. Seem like you need huge scripts after all
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@TimeBandit what and what?
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@Cursorkeys said in The lesser of three browser evils:
But it wasn't standard, this is a new thing.
If you consider Vista new, I suppose...
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@chozang Chromium still has a lot of tracking. In fact, Debian discovered Google sneaked an .exe that phoned home to Google in their Debian package. There is ungoogled chromium which as all the tracking disabled but it's unofficial.
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@Jaloopa It looks like Chrome is going to be literally the new Internet Explorer.
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@Gąska said in The lesser of three browser evils:
Also, in Chrome, logging to Gmail now acts as logging to Google account in the browser itself, and there's no way to turn it off, and you'll have your (or someone else's) avatar following you everywhere you go.
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@djls45 did I mention I use Google services a lot? Logging in everytime would be annoying.
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@magnusmaster What the fuck is the point of sneaking an EXE into a lunix program?
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@pie_flavor .exe is just an extension. It can be a program for any operating system. Also, Wine.
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@Gąska
But why would someone targeting Linux distros even name it .exe? Using Mono maybe. But would Google [do that]?
Accurate information matters when these sorts of things are being said. Was there an actual separate executable file or was there some previously undiscovered code in the Chromium binary itself?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@Gąska
But why would someone targeting Linux distros even name it .exe?There are many possible reasons, not all of them making sense.
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@Gąska
That's why without specifics this particular thing sounds pretty much like "waaah google probed my anus", and that does not make much sense either.Nevertheless, that unfucked Chromium will be useful for me. I wasn't looking for one yet, but it was on the table.
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@pie_flavor When I said exe I meant binary. Basically they dumped an executable file in the debian package that chromium use for some functionality. Although it might have been an exe, who knows...
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@magnusmaster Specifically, this bug if anyone is interested
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@pie_flavor said in The lesser of three browser evils:
@El_Heffe No, that's simply not the case. If a program should only be installed for a particular user, it gets installed in
~\AppData\Local\
(not Roaming, I typoed). It's perfectly standard and I've seen plenty of programs that do that.Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.