Google+ officially coming to an end
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@boomzilla said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
I have a G+ app on my phone but I've never opened it.
The only winning move.
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Anyone posted this yet?
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@Zecc Hah!
If your team, say on Gmail or Android, was to integrate Google+’s features then your team would be awarded a 1.5-3x multiplier on top of your yearly bonus. Your bonus was already something like 15% of your salary.
You read that correctly. A fuck ton of money to ruin the product you were building with bloated garbage that no one wanted 😂 No one really liked this. People drank the kool-aid though, but mostly because it was green and made of paper.
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@boomzilla I'm still about halfway reading it.
Everything at google has to have code name in order to be taken seriously. I had huge ambitions for this work and the paradigms it introduced. I wanted it to be the North Star. Arrogant right? 😆
I told a handful of people I wanted to call it North Star while trying to gauge their reaction. The consensus was pretty much “yeah, I guess.”
Greg tells me a couple days later “Vic wants to call it North Star. He thinks it will be foundational.”
Aside: I was tasked earlier with redesigning the +1 button. I absolutely hated the Plus logo. It was compositionally unbalanced, and the rationale was ridiculous. “The + hangs off the edge to signify that there’s more that’s unseen.”
Aside: Nah man, it just looks like an amateur made it. I fixed the composition. Centered the “+” on the “g”. Jim and another designer fought me hard on it. I relented. I made the dumbass button with their bad logo.
Aside: They shipped my version of the logo after I left.
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@boomzilla But OMG:
About a week later I got on a plane to Google NY to collaborate on this special project. Ironically, the person sitting next to me also worked at Google. They didn’t care. Super antisocial.
Also, it might be that it's an aggregated twitter thread, but the whole time I was reading I couldn't get the feeling that if he were telling this story verbally it would have all been uptalk.
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You might not know who they are, but if you’re reading this then you have definitely seen their work. Maybe OpenCongress, or Miro, or maybe Amara which is Vimeo’s partner transcription service. Definitely Fight for the Future, our internet defenders, which was shortly after me.
I have not
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Finished reading. I'd like to hear "Greg"'s side of the story now.
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@Zecc This pretty much resembles everything else I've heard about working for Google. Chock full of arrogant pricks playing politics fostering a culture of backstabbing and adversity between the colleagues. I do know one acquaintance who works for Google and he seems alright enough, but I don't know enough about his job to really know what goes on there. I ought to ask him sometime.
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9am the next morning. A dick move.
I went home and got to work.
In the early evening I got a call from my dad. My grandmother’s health took a turn for the worst. They weren’t sure she’d make it past the evening.
I couldn’t grieve. I needed to make this happen.
Wow. If you work for a company where preparing a non-time-critical meeting, on your off-time, for the next morning is more important than caring about your grand-mother dying, there is something hugely wrong with the company, and with you for working there.
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@remi said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
9am the next morning. A dick move.
I went home and got to work.
In the early evening I got a call from my dad. My grandmother’s health took a turn for the worst. They weren’t sure she’d make it past the evening.
I couldn’t grieve. I needed to make this happen.
Wow. If you work for a company where preparing a non-time-critical meeting, on your off-time, for the next morning is more important than caring about your grand-mother dying, there is something hugely wrong with the company, and with you for working there.
No kidding. Can't even speak up and request a different time. Which I would have said anyways: "No, I need a day to prepare for this."
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@remi said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
Wow. If you work for a company where preparing a non-time-critical meeting, on your off-time, for the next morning is more important than caring about your grand-mother dying, there is something hugely wrong with the company, and with you for working there.
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@remi said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
Wow. If you work for a company where preparing a non-time-critical meeting, on your off-time, for the next morning is more important than caring about your grand-mother dying, there is something hugely wrong with the company, and with you for working there.
As it turns out later in the story, the other guy who setup the meeting then postponed it because he had a hangover after a party.
So it seems it could be rescheduled without much fuss.When I woke up the next morning I had an email from Jim. “Hey Morgan, I’m really sorry, I’m dealing with a headache and won’t be able to make it in. Can we reschedule for tomorrow?”
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@Zecc While I mostly believe the general story, there are some parts of it where even from his own "high ground" perspective he sounds like an idiot.
It also felt inconsistent. He starts out as someone who's experienced but "only" has worked for small non-profits and can't believe he might get the chance to even apply at Google. Then suddenly he's the only competent designer in the whole company. Also, Jim starts out as "one of the better visual designers on the team" and still is close to incompetent next paragraph, meaning that whole team was supposedly garbage.
I was with a big group of “nooglers” (so lame).
Yup.
While I'm sure they have many exciting jobs, this sounds as if working at Google is about as lame as pictured in the movie.
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@Adynathos said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
As it turns out later in the story, the other guy who setup the meeting then postponed it because he had a hangover after a party.
So it seems it could be rescheduled without much fuss.Yes, that shows quite clearly how non-essential the meeting was from the start.
I can vaguely understand how, at the time he got the meeting request, he accepted it despite it being a dick move that required him to work overtime. He was stuck in office politics, he might have been used to working out-of-hours (this is likely Google's culture...), he didn't have time to think it through properly and was mentally heavily invested in that... I don't think that was the right choice (if anything, he put himself in an inferior position by letting himself be bullied like this), but we don't know everything and bad decisions happen.
But then when he got the call from his father, that should have been the waking call. That he still kept working as before is... madness. That his manager didn't immediately react on that when he talked about it the next day is even worse.
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@remi said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
That his manager didn't immediately react on that when he talked about it the next day is even worse.
Although I'd really like to hear other people's story about how this all came about.
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@remi I’m not exactly sure from the story if without the off hours work he’d have been able to talk with his grandmother a last time. Maybe the circumstances where that this was not possible anyways, but he’d just have griefed with his family instead of working.
If he actually had the chance to see her / talk to her / whatever one more time he’s a massive idiot who deserves no pity.
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@topspin said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
Also, Jim starts out as "one of the better visual designers on the team" and still is close to incompetent next paragraph, meaning that whole team was supposedly garbage.
Remembering what Google+ used to look like, I can easily believe that Jim was relatively among the most competent designer while also being garbage at design.
The tale sounds like Google was hiring an army of people to own tiny parts of the product, which ultimately is an approach that requires low skill workers who care only about their small silo. A sure path to skill rot.
Makes me wonder if hiring an ex Googler just gets you a know-nothing knob end with a big title and inflated salary expectations.
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@remi said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Adynathos said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
I can vaguely understand how, at the time he got the meeting request, he accepted it despite it being a dick move that required him to work overtime. He was stuck in office politics, he might have been used to working out-of-hours (this is likely Google's culture...), he didn't have time to think it through properly and was mentally heavily invested in that... I don't think that was the right choice (if anything, he put himself in an inferior position by letting himself be bullied like this), but we don't know everything and bad decisions happen.Bullseye. Jim is proven to be poor at design but excellent at getting Knutson to do what he wants. It’s no wonder that their boss said that he’s going to make Jim that guy’s boss. Jim’s perfect for management.
That said, the kind of person who writes this sort of epic rant is also probably the kind of person who makes enemies of people everywhere he goes without knowing why they don’t like him.
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@remi said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
he might have been used to working out-of-hours (this is likely Google's culture...),
Living at work is part of the culture:
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@remi said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
But then when he got the call from his father, that should have been the waking call.
@topspin said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
If he actually had the chance to see her / talk to her / whatever one more time he’s a massive idiot who deserves no pity.
Hindsight. We don't know how clear it was that his grandmother would be gone soon.
@WhatYouSay said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
Bullseye. Jim is proven to be poor at design but excellent at getting Knutson to do what he wants. It’s no wonder that their boss said that he’s going to make Jim that guy’s boss. Jim’s perfect for management.
That said, the kind of person who writes this sort of epic rant is also probably the kind of person who makes enemies of people everywhere he goes without knowing why they don’t like him.
What you said.
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@WhatYouSay Welcome to the forums!
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The rant sounds very weird. On the one hand, as a newly employed designer he's apparently able to sell his vision to someone important enough to basically lead a redesign of the product. That would mean he is fairly competent at politics as well as design. On the other hand, he complains that he did the work for this vision on his vacation. No one actually asked him to do it, he just wanted to. So why is he complaining?
But then, in the episode with Jim and the dead relative, he offers to explain his choices to this guy to try and win him over, someone who is not his boss but just another colleague his boss likes, and apparently doesn't think to either set up the meeting time himself, or push back the meeting when he can tell it will require overtime? All he had to do was answer "hey Jim, I wanted to prepare some materials for the meeting and will need a bit more time, let's push it back a week". This was a meeting he proposed! So is he good at politics or an idiot?
And then, after getting upset, he goes to the boss who he knows likes the other guy better ( that's why he wants to win him over in the first place) and is shocked that the guy doesn't care about this non problem.
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@Zecc said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
Hindsight. We don't know how clear it was that his grandmother would be gone soon.
Knutson:
My grandmother’s health took a turn for the worst. They weren’t sure she’d make it past the evening.
Okay, I'd like to swallow my previous words.
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@Kian said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
The rant sounds very weird. On the one hand, as a newly employed designer he's apparently able to sell his vision to someone important enough to basically lead a redesign of the product. That would mean he is fairly competent at politics as well as design. On the other hand, he complains that he did the work for this vision on his vacation. No one actually asked him to do it, he just wanted to. So why is he complaining?
But then, in the episode with Jim and the dead relative, he offers to explain his choices to this guy to try and win him over, someone who is not his boss but just another colleague his boss likes, and apparently doesn't think to either set up the meeting time himself, or push back the meeting when he can tell it will require overtime? All he had to do was answer "hey Jim, I wanted to prepare some materials for the meeting and will need a bit more time, let's push it back a week". This was a meeting he proposed! So is he good at politics or an idiot?
And then, after getting upset, he goes to the boss who he knows likes the other guy better ( that's why he wants to win him over in the first place) and is shocked that the guy doesn't care about this non problem.
I think that people who write stories like this tend to try to put a very positive spin on themselves in the stories, which leads to huge inconsistencies in their stories. They revamp some parts of the stories to what the wish they had done and stuff like that.
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@Polygeekery said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
I think that people who write stories like this tend to try to put a very positive spin on themselves in the stories, which leads to huge inconsistencies in their stories.
Have you ever been to
The Lounge
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@PJH everything in the lounge is 200% true and not exaggerated or biased at all.
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@PJH my point exactly.
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@pie_flavor thanks! This site has been a favorite spot of mine for a long time.
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Yesterday I received a Google+ notification that I missed 5 posts...
Looks like some people are still using that thing
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@The_Quiet_One You can not complete with the Zuke!
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@TimeBandit said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
Yesterday I received a Google+ notification that I missed 5 posts...
Looks like some people are still using that thing
Only 5? Even the spammers barely give a shit.
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@loopback0 said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Lorne-Kates So never?
The Google account and G+ aren't the same thing.wtf?
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@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@loopback0 said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Lorne-Kates So never?
The Google account and G+ aren't the same thing.wtf?
Google+ is a service that uses Google Account.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@loopback0 said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Lorne-Kates So never?
The Google account and G+ aren't the same thing.wtf?
Google+ is a service that uses Google Account.
why is it not the same thing?
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@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@loopback0 said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Lorne-Kates So never?
The Google account and G+ aren't the same thing.wtf?
Google+ is a service that uses Google Account.
why is it not the same thing?
For the same reasons why Facebook is not a Candy Crush account?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@loopback0 said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Lorne-Kates So never?
The Google account and G+ aren't the same thing.wtf?
Google+ is a service that uses Google Account.
why is it not the same thing?
For the same reasons why Facebook is not a Candy Crush account?
Hey, Google+ owned by google, Candy Crush NOT owned by FACEBOOK!
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@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@loopback0 said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Lorne-Kates So never?
The Google account and G+ aren't the same thing.wtf?
Google+ is a service that uses Google Account.
why is it not the same thing?
For the same reasons why Facebook is not a Candy Crush account?
Hey, Google+ owned by google, Candy Crush NOT owned by FACEBOOK!
Your account is with Google. Google has a bunch of apps, features, and services. Gmail is one, YouTube is one, and Google+ is, until it's shut down. Each of these are authenticated using your global Google account. I don't understand how this is such a difficult concept.
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@The_Quiet_One said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@loopback0 said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Lorne-Kates So never?
The Google account and G+ aren't the same thing.wtf?
Google+ is a service that uses Google Account.
why is it not the same thing?
For the same reasons why Facebook is not a Candy Crush account?
Hey, Google+ owned by google, Candy Crush NOT owned by FACEBOOK!
Your account is with Google. Google has a bunch of apps, features, and services. Gmail is one, YouTube is one, and Google+ is, until it's shut down. Each of these are authenticated using your global Google account. I don't understand how this is such a difficult concept.
So regardless of wonership, the account is used to use the service. It is like 5 Pandavas having 1 spouse.
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@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@The_Quiet_One said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@loopback0 said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Lorne-Kates So never?
The Google account and G+ aren't the same thing.wtf?
Google+ is a service that uses Google Account.
why is it not the same thing?
For the same reasons why Facebook is not a Candy Crush account?
Hey, Google+ owned by google, Candy Crush NOT owned by FACEBOOK!
Your account is with Google. Google has a bunch of apps, features, and services. Gmail is one, YouTube is one, and Google+ is, until it's shut down. Each of these are authenticated using your global Google account. I don't understand how this is such a difficult concept.
So regardless of wonership, the account is used to use the service. It is like 5 Pandavas having 1 spouse.
It's like pretty much any big company that uses SSO for its services. Microsoft, Apple, and Amazon all do it.
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@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
It is like 5 Pandavas having 1 spouse.
At first, I read that as "Padawans".
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@Gąska Ramayan and Mahabharat 2 greatest stories ever told!
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@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@loopback0 said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Lorne-Kates So never?
The Google account and G+ aren't the same thing.wtf?
Google+ is a service that uses Google Account.
why is it not the same thing?
For the same reasons why Facebook is not a Candy Crush account?
Hey, Google+ owned by google, Candy Crush NOT owned by FACEBOOK!
.... Yet.....
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@WhatYouSay said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
.... Yet.....
Candybook? Facecrush?
Candyface Crushbook.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
Candyface Crushbook.
Level 4 Half Orc Barbarian
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@Gąska said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
It is like 5 Pandavas having 1 spouse.
At first, I read that as "Padawans".
They’re not supposed to form bonds. Passion, yet serenity.
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@topspin said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Gąska said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
@Nagesh said in Google+ officially coming to an end:
It is like 5 Pandavas having 1 spouse.
At first, I read that as "Padawans".
They’re not supposed to form bonds. Passion, yet serenity.
Jedi are noble gasses?
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@Benjamin-Hall Where do you think the light sabers come from?!