Good article on the root of Windows quality problems
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@masonwheeler said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
There's a quality element to that as well as a quantity element. They've carefully, deliberately designed their system for robustness, specifically so that it can survive app instances going down. That wasn't always the case.
The netflix backend seems so simple on paper. It's basically a crud app with cdn attached.
I have no idea why they need all that servers and engineers. Seems to me stack overflow manages to serve similar number of page hits (and a lot more interaction) on like half a dozen servers.
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@cartman82 said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
It's basically a crud app with cdn attached
Yes, something a game server is very much not...
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@Captain said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
Hey guys I heard Windows started sucking again. What's up with that?
We turned our computers back on?
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@cartman82 said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
@masonwheeler said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
There's a quality element to that as well as a quantity element. They've carefully, deliberately designed their system for robustness, specifically so that it can survive app instances going down. That wasn't always the case.
The netflix backend seems so simple on paper. It's basically a crud app with cdn attached.
I have no idea why they need all that servers and engineers. Seems to me stack overflow manages to serve similar number of page hits (and a lot more interaction) on like half a dozen servers.
They need all that to detect when someone is outside the US and block their access.
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Is 8t just me or did this decline in the quality of Windows updates coincide quite closely with Microsoft moving to Git?
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@Jaloopa said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
Is 8t just me or did this decline in the quality of Windows updates coincide quite closely with Microsoft moving to Git?
I'd say going open sourcy generally.
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@quijibo said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
@Zmaster said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
Frankly, the article assumes too much stuff IMHO and seems to just say “they’re not unit-testing their code”.
Some things are easy to unit test, but race conditions, drivers, integration between different systems are a different story. I’m not saying unit testing is a bad idea, it just won’t get you 100% covered.Bang on. Also, what happens when Team A creates all of those great unit tests and later Team B commits something that breaks the tests, but no one on Team B has enough in-depth knowledge to update Team A's code (say with new APIs or necessary API changes due to a flawed design earlier)? I've seen that happen before.
If team B is like the Indian team that I used to work with, they would just disable the failing tests and call it a day.
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@Jaloopa said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
Is 8t just me or did this decline in the quality of Windows updates coincide quite closely with Microsoft moving to Git?
Probably you. I remember an update in the early to mid (?) 2000s that killed all networking on Win2K machines.
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@boomzilla: it's not the first they botch an update, but the amount of broken updates seems to have gone steadily up since the release of Windows 10.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
Did it stop sucking at one point?
Kinda numb down there
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@Jaloopa said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
Is 8t just me or did this decline in the quality of Windows updates coincide quite closely with Microsoft moving to Git?
You're saying at some point we'll have to start fixing Windows Update issues with arcane Git commands?
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@loopback0 said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
You're saying at some point we'll have to start fixing Windows Update issues with arcane Git commands?
That would be an improvement
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@bjolling said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
If team B is like the Indian team that I used to work with, they would just disable the failing tests and call it a day.
We worked with the same Indians, it seems.
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@WhatYouSay said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
That’s how lean, agile startups work and they make billions!
How they make billions: software works JUST WELL ENOUGH to gain traction. Before anyone notices it's a horrible shithouse of cards waiting to crumble, they get acquired by Microsoft for billions. Then Microsoft applies proper code quality and QA to the product and... umm... oh.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
@WhatYouSay said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
That’s how lean, agile startups work and they make billions!
I'm still waiting for that red number to fade to black, much less read "billions"...
I can offer you a once in a lifetime opportunity to make your red number reach the billions mark, if you would but invest in my special course.
It’s always easier to make the red numbers go up than the black ones, so if you get those really high now then you’ll be loaded when the ink cools down into your desired black.
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@Zerosquare said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
@boomzilla: it's not the first they botch an update, but the amount of broken updates seems to have gone steadily up since the release of Windows 10.
Because previously, if they fucked up updates regularly, people would simply stop updating. This is not possible anymore.
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@bjolling said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
@quijibo said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
@Zmaster said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
Frankly, the article assumes too much stuff IMHO and seems to just say “they’re not unit-testing their code”.
Some things are easy to unit test, but race conditions, drivers, integration between different systems are a different story. I’m not saying unit testing is a bad idea, it just won’t get you 100% covered.Bang on. Also, what happens when Team A creates all of those great unit tests and later Team B commits something that breaks the tests, but no one on Team B has enough in-depth knowledge to update Team A's code (say with new APIs or necessary API changes due to a flawed design earlier)? I've seen that happen before.
If team B is like the Indian team that I used to work with, they would just disable the failing tests and call it a day.
Thats a bottom of the barrel type of indian team. One I worked with hardcoded the test system to report all tests as passed, no matter if they failed, crashed or what. That's some effort!
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@dkf said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
It might also be over-managed.
See also: The demotion of Da Vinci.
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@Gąska said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
@Zerosquare said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
@boomzilla: it's not the first they botch an update, but the amount of broken updates seems to have gone steadily up since the release of Windows 10.
Because previously, if they fucked up updates regularly, people would simply stop updating. This is not possible anymore.
Are you saying they intentionally release bad updates because they can? That's a bit far even for a conspiracy monger like you
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@Jaloopa said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
@Gąska said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
@Zerosquare said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
@boomzilla: it's not the first they botch an update, but the amount of broken updates seems to have gone steadily up since the release of Windows 10.
Because previously, if they fucked up updates regularly, people would simply stop updating. This is not possible anymore.
Are you saying they intentionally release bad updates because they can?
No, I'm saying they intentionally stopped not releasing bad updates because they don't have to anymore.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
@Captain said in Good article on the root of Windows quality problems:
Hey guys I heard Windows started sucking again. What's up with that?
What do you mean "again"? Did it stop sucking at one point?
Yes, between Windows 7 and Windows 7.
Then CADT struck.