The Official Status Thread
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@anotherusername said in The Official Status Thread:
if that's your idea of funny, then I think it is merely further evidence
Seemed pretty funny to me, in a "you can't say that!!eleven" kind of way. Of course it depends a lot on the delivery and just reading the transcript loses a lot of nuance. Also, jokes about that sort of thing have to be a lot funnier than those about less sensitive subjects but that doesn't mean they can't be joked about
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@anotherusername It's political cabaret and he's special in the way that he doesn't spare anyone - either he lambasts a group for pulling a shitty stunt or he lambasts the other side for letting them do that.
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Apparently, English Wiktionary has an article on a stupid Polish joke:
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@Gąska The funniest thing with that would likely be English people trying to pronounce it.
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status Today, I get to regress to VS2010. Because we need to hotfix an old version. Because that's the last version that works on XP. Which we don't support any more. Except when we do. Thank $diety I didn't turn in my old machine when I got my new one. (The old one has a compatible build environment)
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Status: Sitting around, wasting time, reading Dijkstra quotes. And what quotes they are!
In short, I suggest that the programmer should continue to understand what he is doing, that his growing product remains firmly within his intellectual grip. It is my sad experience that this suggestion is repulsive to the average experienced programmer, who clearly derives a major part of his professional excitement from not quite understanding what he is doing. In this streamlined age, one of our most undernourished psychological needs is the craving for Black Magic and apparently the automatic computer can satisfy this need for the professional software engineer, who is secretly enthralled by the gigantic risks he takes in his daring irresponsibility. For his frustrations I have no remedy......
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Status: Fucking liars!
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@Magus But the tragedy:
Edsger W. Dijkstra's 1969 "Structured Programming" article precipitated a decade of intense focus on programming techniques that has fundamentally altered human expectations and achievements in software development. Before this decade of intense focus, programming was regarded as a private, puzzle-solving activity of writing computer instructions to work as a program. After this decade, programming could be regarded as a public, mathematics-based activity of restructuring specifications into programs. Before, the challenge was in getting programs to run at all, and then in getting them further debugged to do the right things. After, programs could be expected to both run and do the right things with little or no debugging. Before, it was common wisdom that no sizable program could be error-free. After, many sizable programs have run a year or more with no errors detected. These expectations and achievements are not universal because of the inertia of industrial practices. But they are well-enough established to herald fundamental change in software development.
Harlan Mills (1986). Structured Programming: Retrospect and Prospect. (IEEE Software 3(6): 58-66, November 1986)
And then we went and started making everything out of JavaScript.
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@Magus said in The Official Status Thread:
After, programs could be expected to both run and do the right things with little or no debugging.
After, many sizable programs have run a year or more with no errors detected.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: Fucking liars!
From the people who brought you "All your files are right where you left them"...
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@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
status Today, I get to regress to VS2010. Because we need to hotfix an old version. Because that's the last version that works on XP. Which we don't support any more. Except when we do. Thank $diety I didn't turn in my old machine when I got my new one. (The old one has a compatible build environment)
Win10's new Notepad just saved my butt. (We have an automated process to update the .rc file. But it's output is Unicode with no BOM and unix line endings . Even vim says WTF? Oh, and that automated process can really only run on the main branch - not a hotfix branch off of a release branch.)
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@hungrier said in The Official Status Thread:
@Magus said in The Official Status Thread:
After, programs could be expected to both run and do the right things with little or no debugging.
After, many sizable programs have run a year or more with no errors detected.Yeah. I'm a firm believer that software quality has been regressing, but I don't think there's ever been an era where it was usual for large programs to have no known bugs. There have been a few examples of big programs with very low bug counts (at considerable cost), but certainly not many.
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Status: Well, meeting went as meetings go. 50 minutes of waffling and I found out that Data Lake Analytics (the thing that I mentioned in WTF Bites that took an hour to "process" 20 MB of data) is silently deprecated and is "going away".
Also that I should be using Azure's IoT stuff for analytics instead, called Time Series Insights. Available now for a minimum of $150/mo!
Fucking hell...
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@hungrier Remember, this was said in 86. Before that, it was like the modern javascript world, except worse. This was back when there weren't applications we'd call large.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Data Lake Analytics
Time Series Insights
Are you sure these things are IT related?
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@TimeBandit They sound sufficiently meaningless and gibberish to be IT terms.
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@loopback0 Which reminds me of this:
4 in 10 who work in tech believe their job title would mean nothing to the ‘average British adult’
A lot of IT job titles mean nothing to other people in IT.
72% of people in the tech industry admit to not using their real job title when talking to people outside of their industry
That's because the default response to "I work in IT" is "Oh, right" followed by changing the topic.
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@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
But it's output is Unicode with no BOM and unix line endings . Even vim says WTF?
What? Unicode without BOM is a long time standard for everything programming, and I know for sure that Vim (as well as every other editor that runs on Linux) handles that without a hitch.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Fucking hell...
Oh, when going to create the Time Series thing:
"We recommend you use this thing that we're trying to get rid of (but the public doesn't know we're trying to get rid of)!"
Ugh...
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@Gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
But it's output is Unicode with no BOM and unix line endings . Even vim says WTF?
What? Unicode without BOM is a long time standard for everything programming, and I know for sure that Vim (as well as every other editor that runs on Linux) handles that without a hitch.
Not when it's not UTF-8. UCS-2 maybe? Who the fuck knows... Notepad was able to open/edit/save it. Then I used Beyond Compare to do a binary compare and remove the BOM markers so the files are now exactly as our build system would expect. So no unexpected side effects.
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2.90€ for a Windows 10 key and it's sold by "Microsotf by Keys 24h"? Seems perfectly legitimate .
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@anonymous234: they're probably selling Windows 10 for how much it's worth, not for how much it costs
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@loopback0 said in The Official Status Thread:
That's because the default response to "I work in IT" is "Oh, right" followed by
changing the topicso, you can fix my computer then.FTFY
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@Zerosquare said in The Official Status Thread:
@anonymous234: they're probably selling Windows 10 for how much it's worth, not for how much it costs
That's why the price is written in red ink
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Status: Internally crying. Today is going to be a long one...
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Status: Instead of
for
loops, why notEnumerable.Range(0, max).Select(i => Foo(i))
? It's especially good ifFoo()
is actuallyasync Task Foo(int i)
, so you canawait Task.WhenAll(<the list you made>);
I... have begun to Understand.
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@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
@Gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
But it's output is Unicode with no BOM and unix line endings . Even vim says WTF?
What? Unicode without BOM is a long time standard for everything programming, and I know for sure that Vim (as well as every other editor that runs on Linux) handles that without a hitch.
Not when it's not UTF-8.
Then you should've said "not UTF-8", not "Unicode".
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@Gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
@Gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
But it's output is Unicode with no BOM and unix line endings . Even vim says WTF?
What? Unicode without BOM is a long time standard for everything programming, and I know for sure that Vim (as well as every other editor that runs on Linux) handles that without a hitch.
Not when it's not UTF-8.
Then you should've said "not UTF-8", not "Unicode".
I speak Windows. Windows doesn't speak UTF-8.
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@Zerosquare said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: Fucking liars!
From the people who brought you "All your files are right where you left them"...
That wasn't a lie, that was a PSA about "congrats, you haven't been picked by the 'let's delete all his files' bug".
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@Gąska Because UTF-16 is not Unicode?
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@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
@Gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
@Gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
But it's output is Unicode with no BOM and unix line endings . Even vim says WTF?
What? Unicode without BOM is a long time standard for everything programming, and I know for sure that Vim (as well as every other editor that runs on Linux) handles that without a hitch.
Not when it's not UTF-8.
Then you should've said "not UTF-8", not "Unicode".
I speak Windows. Windows doesn't speak UTF-8.
I thought everyone upgraded to XP or later already?
@topspin said in The Official Status Thread:
@Gąska Because UTF-16 is not Unicode?
(P(a) ∧ a ∈ X) ⇏ ∀ x ∈ X (P(x))
, whereX
is Unicode encodings,P
is "doesn't work", anda
is UTF-16 (or, in @dcon's words, "who the fuck knows").
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@Gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
@Gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
@Gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
But it's output is Unicode with no BOM and unix line endings . Even vim says WTF?
What? Unicode without BOM is a long time standard for everything programming, and I know for sure that Vim (as well as every other editor that runs on Linux) handles that without a hitch.
Not when it's not UTF-8.
Then you should've said "not UTF-8", not "Unicode".
I speak Windows. Windows doesn't speak UTF-8.
I thought everyone upgraded to XP or later already?
UTF-8 is not a codepage on Win XP.
@topspin said in The Official Status Thread:
@Gąska Because UTF-16 is not Unicode?
(P(a) ∧ a ∈ X) ⇏ ∀ x ∈ X (P(x))
, whereX
is Unicode encodings,P
is "doesn't work", anda
is UTF-16 (or, in @dcon's words, "who the fuck knows").He has a single file which is Unicode. And does not work.
Of course his statement did not mean "all Unicode encodings" don't work if he only has a single instance. It was entirely correct.(Or, to put it in your setting: his statement was your right-hand side replaced with an existential quantifier. His evidence was your left-hand side. Now it follows)
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@topspin said in The Official Status Thread:
@Gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
@Gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
@Gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
But it's output is Unicode with no BOM and unix line endings . Even vim says WTF?
What? Unicode without BOM is a long time standard for everything programming, and I know for sure that Vim (as well as every other editor that runs on Linux) handles that without a hitch.
Not when it's not UTF-8.
Then you should've said "not UTF-8", not "Unicode".
I speak Windows. Windows doesn't speak UTF-8.
I thought everyone upgraded to XP or later already?
UTF-8 is not a codepage on Win XP.
But otherwise it does support it pretty well, no?
@topspin said in The Official Status Thread:
@Gąska Because UTF-16 is not Unicode?
(P(a) ∧ a ∈ X) ⇏ ∀ x ∈ X (P(x))
, whereX
is Unicode encodings,P
is "doesn't work", anda
is UTF-16 (or, in @dcon's words, "who the fuck knows").He has a single file which is Unicode. And does not work.
And he said it doesn't work because it's Unicode. Which is wrong. It doesn't work because it's "who the fuck knows", not because it's Unicode. Even though "who the fuck knows" is Unicode encoding, it still doesn't mean that Unicode is the reason why the file doesn't work.
Look. I know where he and you are coming from. I'm just opposed to using general terms where it's more appropriate to use a specific term, where using the general term can cause confusion. I do know that Microsoft treats (used to treat?) Unicode as a synonym of UCS-2, but it doesn't mean we should keep on doing the same mistake.
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@Gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
@Gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
@Gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
But it's output is Unicode with no BOM and unix line endings . Even vim says WTF?
What? Unicode without BOM is a long time standard for everything programming, and I know for sure that Vim (as well as every other editor that runs on Linux) handles that without a hitch.
Not when it's not UTF-8.
Then you should've said "not UTF-8", not "Unicode".
I speak Windows. Windows doesn't speak UTF-8.
I thought everyone upgraded to XP or later already?
@topspin said in The Official Status Thread:
@Gąska Because UTF-16 is not Unicode?
(P(a) ∧ a ∈ X) ⇏ ∀ x ∈ X (P(x))
, whereX
is Unicode encodings,P
is "doesn't work", anda
is UTF-16 (or, in @dcon's words, "who the fuck knows").Please keep posting these, , they're good practice for my discrete math class.
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@pie_flavor why's everyone's discrete math class about something entirely different from anybody else? I've yet to meet another person other than my classmates who also learned about semigroups there.
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@Gąska we've done boolean algebra, we've done sets, now we're doing functions.
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@Gąska
It's very important to maintain a discrete curriculum.
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Status: I love nonsensical error messages that aren't error messages.
Filed under: Datsource object definition
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@Tsaukpaetra Send a frown
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@HardwareGeek said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra Send a frown
I did. I expect nothing to come from doing so however.
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Status: Pretty sure this user that's listed as "Online" actually isn't, and is a ghost. I can't kick them, their reported location doesn't have them, and killing the level they're supposedly on does not make them disappear.
I have the fear.
Also, props to Adventure. They're exploring everything....
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@Gąska said in The Official Status Thread:
@pie_flavor why's everyone's discrete math class about something entirely different from anybody else? I've yet to meet another person other than my classmates who also learned about semigroups there.
I totally didn't have quantifiers in discrete math (they belonged in the logic class, but randomly appeared without much detailed explanation in other courses). Discrete math had groups and vector spaces and the lot, and was combined with a little bit of linear algebra (but that was reflected in the course being titled "discrete math and algebra").
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@topspin I didn't have vector spaces, but I've had finite automata and regular grammars.
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Status: Browsing through some old code of mine. Apparently, at one point, I've had this brillant idea that a variable containing a logical formula should be named
notFormula
.
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@loopback0 said in The Official Status Thread:
@loopback0 Which reminds me of this:
4 in 10 who work in tech believe their job title would mean nothing to the ‘average British adult’
A lot of IT job titles mean nothing to other people in IT.
72% of people in the tech industry admit to not using their real job title when talking to people outside of their industry
That's because the default response to "I work in IT" is "Oh, right" followed by changing the topic.
Sort of appropriate for an article on IT bullshit really.
My job title is boring: 'Senior Design Engineer', hopefully most people would think it's real. The only real one in the article I thought might be fake was 'Growth Hacker', I didn't bother looking it up but I'm sure it's just a shiny new title for a BDM.
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@Magus Writing code is lame, let's go shopping!
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@Cursorkeys When asked what I do I say I'm a programmer, I push buttons and make pretty lights flash. They then ask no really, what do you do, so I start telling them what I really do. About thirty seconds in their eyes glaze over, I stop mid sentence and say I push buttons and make pretty lights flash, hopefully the right lights. They nod, say ok, and move to another topic.
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@KattMan said in The Official Status Thread:
@Cursorkeys When asked what I do I say I'm a programmer, I push buttons and make pretty lights flash.
"So you're a lighting technician? Cool! It must be nice to see all kinds of artists."
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@thegoryone
Your logical fallacy is:Assuming {Sales Droids|Managers} are People
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@Cursorkeys said in The Official Status Thread:
The only real one in the article I thought might be fake was 'Growth Hacker', I didn't bother looking it up but I'm sure it's just a shiny new title for a BDM.
On the other hand, the only fake one that I thought was real is "Cloud master". We have webmasters everywhere after all, and cloud is just the new web, so it only made sense to me someone came up with that job title. Surprise surprise, someone actually did.