What even is performance
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@remi said in What even is performance:
Interestingly, a reload does not change at all the memory footprint.
A hard reload might… but a close/reopen is the best way I know to get the garbage collected (and there's plenty of that when the connection has been patchy and many embedded oneboxes have been used; both of those seem to increase reported memory usage quite a bit). That's on Chrome, but I wouldn't be surprised at all at other browsers having similar GC strategies.
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If doing a reload of the page doesn't free any memory, the memory is probably being held by the browser (images, etc.) and not NodeBB.
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@remi said in What even is performance:
@remi Interestingly, a reload does not change at all the memory footprint. Duplicating the tab (Opera, right-click the tab, duplicate. No idea whether it's an Opera feature or a Chrome one...) helps a tiny bit (it goes down by about 10%).
The only way to really get it back down to a more reasonable amount is to open a new tab and navigate to TDWTF.
This might be platform specific. On Linux I've noticed that it seems to reduce the reported memory footprint.
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I have a 64-bit OS, 64-bit browser, and 32 GB RAM. You all are doing it wrong. Wharblgarbl.
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@mott555 sucker. My 24GB of RAM works just fine.
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@boomzilla said in What even is performance:
My 24GB of RAM works just fine.
When you have an efficient OS
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@TimeBandit said in What even is performance:
@boomzilla said in What even is performance:
My 24GB of RAM works just fine.
When you
have an efficientdon't have anything useful to do because of your OSFTFY
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@izzion said in What even is performance:
@TimeBandit said in What even is performance:
@boomzilla said in What even is performance:
My 24GB of RAM works just fine.
When you
have an efficientdon't have anything useful to do because of your OSFTFY
If you think displaying ads and forcing reboots are useful things, then I agree
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@TimeBandit
At least I'm able to shoot space aliens during the hours my computer permits me to work uninterrupted
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@izzion said in What even is performance:
@TimeBandit
At least I'm able to shoot space aliens during the hours my computer permits me to work uninterruptedThat's nothing. Here's what a computer I have in my house that runs a website, a staging site for this forum, a build server for DFHack, and two instances of Dwarf Fortress that post on Mastodon accounts looks like right now:
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@mott555 said in What even is performance:
I have a 64-bit OS, 64-bit browser, and 32 GB RAM. You all are doing it wrong. Wharblgarbl.
If you only have 32GB of RAM with a 64bit OS, you're wasting half of the bits.
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@ben_lubar said in What even is performance:
@izzion said in What even is performance:
@TimeBandit
At least I'm able to shoot space aliens during the hours my computer permits me to work uninterruptedThat's nothing. Here's what a computer I have in my house that runs a website, a staging site for this forum, a build server for DFHack, and two instances of Dwarf Fortress that post on Mastodon accounts looks like right now:
Are we measuring epeens again? I have to say, mine isn't so impressive.
Let's see... Torrent, media server, transcoder (Plex), website, domain controller, DeepDreamer, RDP host, Teamspeak server (Probably dead?), Teamspeak-to-Ventrillo cross-talker, Hackintosh, iSpy server, file server and backup replication node, and maybe a few other things I started and forgot about (I think a Minecraft world is in there somewhere).
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@topspin said in What even is performance:
@mott555 said in What even is performance:
I have a 64-bit OS, 64-bit browser, and 32 GB RAM. You all are doing it wrong. Wharblgarbl.
If you only have 32GB of RAM with a 64bit OS, you're wasting half of the bits.
Since 64-bit processors generally don't have more than a 48-bit address space, you're only wasting about 255.96875 tebibytes of possible address space.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in What even is performance:
@ben_lubar said in What even is performance:
@izzion said in What even is performance:
@TimeBandit
At least I'm able to shoot space aliens during the hours my computer permits me to work uninterruptedThat's nothing. Here's what a computer I have in my house that runs a website, a staging site for this forum, a build server for DFHack, and two instances of Dwarf Fortress that post on Mastodon accounts looks like right now:
Are we measuring epeens again? I have to say, mine isn't so impressive.
Let's see... Torrent, media server, transcoder (Plex), website, domain controller, DeepDreamer, RDP host, Teamspeak server (Probably dead?), Teamspeak-to-Ventrillo cross-talker, Hackintosh, iSpy server, file server and backup replication node, and maybe a few other things I started and forgot about (I think a Minecraft world is in there somewhere).
Wait, VBoxHeadless uses memory on Linux? On Windows, the memory just mysteriously disappears without being attributed to the VBoxHeadless process (or any process as far as I can tell).
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@ben_lubar said in What even is performance:
@Tsaukpaetra said in What even is performance:
@ben_lubar said in What even is performance:
@izzion said in What even is performance:
@TimeBandit
At least I'm able to shoot space aliens during the hours my computer permits me to work uninterruptedThat's nothing. Here's what a computer I have in my house that runs a website, a staging site for this forum, a build server for DFHack, and two instances of Dwarf Fortress that post on Mastodon accounts looks like right now:
Are we measuring epeens again? I have to say, mine isn't so impressive.
Let's see... Torrent, media server, transcoder (Plex), website, domain controller, DeepDreamer, RDP host, Teamspeak server (Probably dead?), Teamspeak-to-Ventrillo cross-talker, Hackintosh, iSpy server, file server and backup replication node, and maybe a few other things I started and forgot about (I think a Minecraft world is in there somewhere).
Wait, VBoxHeadless uses memory on Linux? On Windows, the memory just mysteriously disappears without being attributed to the VBoxHeadless process (or any process as far as I can tell).
Yeah! Nifty, isn't it?
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My epeen is the biggest of all: I actually can afford Windows.
ps What's this about discord and NodeBB? All I know is, this forum is 'powered by' NodeBB. And this forum-page only uses 81Mb in Chrome, while writing this. So it doesn't sound as bad as all the pictures posted here.
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@Flips Congratulations on winning the I Don't Understand What's Going On award.
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@Flips said in What even is performance:
What's this about discord and NodeBB
ITYM Discourse, not Discord, and what you're probably picking up on is our rather unfortunate history with the creators of the former.
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@pie_flavor said in What even is performance:
@Flips Congratulations on winning the I Don't Understand What's Going On award.
I told you so. Not sure if you are just trolleying me, or just mean
@PJH said in What even is performance:
ITYM Discourse, not Discord, and what you're probably picking up on is our rather unfortunate history with the creators of the former.
Ah indeed I ment Discourse (I only have a memory-span of 1 page per page). Still I am wondering how people compare memory usage of this 'discourse' when it's 'history'.
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@Flips said in What even is performance:
Still I am wondering how people compare memory usage of this 'discourse' when it's 'history'.
Pointless arguing is a thing here.
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@PJH said in What even is performance:
@Flips said in What even is performance:
Still I am wondering how people compare memory usage of this 'discourse' when it's 'history'.
Pointless arguing is
athe thing here.FTFY
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@topspin said in What even is performance:
@PJH said in What even is performance:
@Flips said in What even is performance:
Still I am wondering how people compare memory usage of this 'discourse' when it's 'history'.
Pointless arguing is
athe thing here.FTFY
Well, there's pedantry, and off-topic derailments as well...
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@PJH and
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@ben_lubar Looks like shit?
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@Flips said in What even is performance:
Still I am wondering how people compare memory usage of this 'discourse' when it's 'history'.
It's not a fair comparison because this forum has threads longer than most others, which perform like garbage in Discourse. So even if Discourse works for some sites, it definitely doesn't work for this site. And we know that because we tried it.
Also Atwood's a dick.
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@blakeyrat said in What even is performance:
It's not a fair comparison because this forum has threads longer than most others, which perform like garbage in Discourse.
I see this argument quite often, but except for a couple alpha video games that are on life support with only a few people left, this is the smallest and least active forum I'm a member of. Quite a few have around 5,000 registered users online at once. I wonder what it would cost to run a Discourse instance for them. Probably would bump Discourse up to #3 or #4 worldwide for carbon emissions, too.
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@Flips welcome to the forums!
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@Flips said in What even is performance:
My epeen is the biggest of all: I actually can afford Windows.
I can afford a 6 pack of IPA. Doesn't mean I'm dumb enough to actually buy it.
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lol you guys are funny
@mott555 said in What even is performance:
I see this argument quite often, [...] this is the smallest and least active forum I'm a member of. Quite a few have around 5,000 registered users online at once. [...]
I think blakeyrat is not talking about registered users... But because some threads are heavily abused, some of them with over 86k posts.
@Tsaukpaetra said in What even is performance:
@Flips welcome to the forums!
Thanks
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@dkf said in What even is performance:
@remi said in What even is performance:
Interestingly, a reload does not change at all the memory footprint.
A hard reload might…
Genuine question: what do you call a "hard" reload? The only way I know to reload a page is to hit F5 or click the small arrow-that-sucks-itself button, is this a "reload" or a "hard reload"?
(or close/reopen the tab, or the browser window, but then it's not really a reload, more like a reboot if anything)
@boomzilla said in What even is performance:
This might be platform specific. On Linux I've noticed that it seems to reduce the reported memory footprint.
Maybe. I'm indeed on Windows (technically a Windows VM on Linux hardware, but that shouldn't make any difference), because my company sucks at updating systems and we just moved to Debian 7, so I have no hope of installing a decent browser on my Linux system.
(not that I really mind, actually, since we've got old software that only exists as a binary and it's a pain to migrate those when the system is updated...)
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@remi said in What even is performance:
Genuine question: what do you call a "hard" reload? The only way I know to reload a page is to hit F5 or click the small arrow-that-sucks-itself button, is this a "reload" or a "hard reload"?
I think if you hold Shift at the same time, it flushes all caches for the page, drops all the current content of the page completely (including all background workers) and really reloads everything.
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@remi said in What even is performance:
Genuine question: what do you call a "hard" reload? The only way I know to reload a page is to hit F5 or click the small arrow-that-sucks-itself button, is this a "reload" or a "hard reload"?
Chrome:
https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/157179?hl=en > Win/Linux > Webpage Shortcuts
Reload the current page F5 or Ctrl + r
Reload the current page, ignoring cached content Shift + F5 or Ctrl + Shift + r... > Mac > Webpage Shortcuts
Reload your current page, ignoring cached content ⌘ + Shift + r
Other browsers are available.
Ignoring the cache is typically understood to be the 'hard' version of refresh.
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I'll try that next time (if I can remember it by then...) to see if it makes any difference!
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@remi said in What even is performance:
we just moved to Debian 7, so I have no hope of installing a decent browser on my Linux system.
I'm pretty sure you can install the latest Chrome on Debian 7
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@TimeBandit I can't install the latest Opera, I think. Although now it might be that the last time I tried it, we were still on Debian 6 (and that was something like 6 months ago, not years ago...). A couple of colleagues still are on Debian 6.
(in theory I could install on any version by installing more recent versions of basically everything from the libc upwards, but since I'm no admin this is trickier and anyway I'm not going to spend hours on that)
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Wikipedia answers the original question:
*Performance is a 1970 British crime drama film directed by Donald Cammell and Nicolas Roeg, written by Cammell and photographed by Roeg. The film stars James Fox as a violent and ambitious London gangster who, after carrying out an unordered killing, goes into hiding at the home of a reclusive rock star (Mick Jagger of The Rolling Stones, in his film acting debut).
The film was produced in 1968 but not released until 1970 due to the reluctance of Warner Bros. to distribute the film because of its graphic violence and sexual content. It received a mixed critical response initially, but gained a cult following, and since then its reputation has grown in stature; it is now regarded as one of the most influential and innovative films of the 1970s as well as in British cinema.
In 1999, Performance was voted the 48th greatest British film of all time by the British Film Institute; in 2008 Empire magazine ranked the film 182nd on its list of the 500 Greatest Movies of All Time.*
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@TimeBandit said in What even is performance:
@remi said in What even is performance:
since I'm no admin
That's the Real
Yes and no... I mean, I would appreciate very much being admin and that would make sense for some stuff. On the other hand, I can understand that IT doesn't want everyone to change stuff randomly on their machines. And, as a developer, I also appreciate knowing that all my users will use a standard config where I can rely on some other internal programs being installed in some standard locations and so on. So overall, I'm not complaining too much about that (especially since on Linux, even without being root you can do a lot of things to tweak your install), even if it means I sometimes cannot do all I would want to.
(a bigger
is that we have internet access through these hopelessly outdated systems, I have no idea how many security holes there are in the FF/chromium that was distributed with Debian 6...)
