The Official Pokèmon Go Thread
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@Magus said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
I still say AR is limited while it is not head mounted
You're thinking of VR. AR has always been "track object on camera, put graphics on top of it".
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@ben_lubar said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
You're thinking of VR. AR has always been "track object on camera, put graphics on top of it".
No? Not even slightly. To a good percentage of people, AR still means a HUD. And you're missing the point: Pokemon Go uses some kind of gyroscope-based system for really basic position tracking, and as far as I know treats everything as a plane.
Unless you have a powerful 3D camera, it's not going to be all that great. They'll just float around.
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@Magus The term "AR games" is what I've seen used as a collective term for these types of games. But, yes, the "AR" part is a bit limited. In the case of Ingress, you literally get a map where portals are indicated. It doesn't use the camera or anything. It only augments reality in the sense that you get the information that you're so-and-so close to a portal/where the portals are located.
Screenshots indicate that Pokemon Go goes a bit further with trying to render stuff on top of what the camera sees. Not sure how advanced this is, in theory you could try to figure out a coarse 3D representation of the camera's view via structure from motion and similar approaches. Not sure how well that works in practice, especially if you don't want to limit yourself to high-end phones and don't want to burn even more battery on the processing.
AFAIK there was talk about Ingress on Google Glass (before that was abandoned). But I don't think they ever overlaid anything on what you looked at, rather they still just showed you a map.
You could probably do a relatively accurate overlay on something like the Hololens assuming you have good information about the location. I.e., prepared features that you can detect from a 2D image plus premade 3D data. That's a lot of data you need to get, prepare and keep relatively up-to-date, though.
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@ben_lubar said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
You're thinking of VR. AR has always been "track object on camera, put graphics on top of it".
I'd define VR = meat-space is not shown, you're in a virtual place with no or little connection to your meat-space surroundings. AR = augmented meat-space, by, for example, see through displays, or video-based see-through systems.
Neither requires a heads-up display, though for VR a HMD is much more convenient than a cave or something similar.
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@cvi said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
AFAIK there was talk about Ingress on Google Glass (before that was abandoned). But I don't think they ever overlaid anything on what you looked at, rather they still just showed you a map.
'overlay anything on what you looked at' isn't even possible on google glass. yet people call that AR too.
@cvi said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
You could probably do a relatively accurate overlay on something like the Hololens assuming you have good information about the location. I.e., prepared features that you can detect from a 2D image plus premade 3D data. That's a lot of data you need to get, prepare and keep relatively up-to-date, though.
That's what it's specifically designed to do. That was the whole point of my post. Until you have Pokemon walking around your house, dealing with the topology, it's uninteresting to me.
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@cvi said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
Not sure how advanced this is
It literally dumps the animated image of the pokemon on top of a camera image. You can turn it off, I usually do; it likes to make the pokemon circle around you, forcing you to turn in place to keep it lined up, while with that off it stays dead center and easy to catch.
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@Yamikuronue What real AR would do is have the Pokemon literally walking around on the ground where you are, and you'd have a 3D hud that you could control with gestures: swipe down on the BAG icon, select Pokeball, make throwing motion with your arm while your vision is centered on the Pokemon.
I hope they go there one day. Someone needs to. They'll get all of everyone's money.
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@Magus Well, I assume they're already doing plane detection, so it shouldn't be too difficult if they have that down.
Could just be edge detection, which would be easier, so likely not enough room for the pokemon to move around if they have to stick to one edge of an object
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@JazzyJosh To the best of my knowledge, Pokemon Go just knows that there are coordinates Pokemon may exist at. I don't think elevation means anything at all, for instance. And 'edge of an object'? That's pretty difficult without a 3D camera.
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@Magus I'd imagine they'd at least want to figure out approximately where the horizon was, and use motion detection to make the superimposed image move along with the background when the camera moves.
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Is it weird when I see the word Pokomongo, I think of MongoDB?
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@Magus said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
That's what it's specifically designed to do. That was the whole point of my post. Until you have Pokemon walking around your house, dealing with the topology, it's uninteresting to me.
Yes, I got the box to stop falling through the floor, but only after the floor was loaded in. Working on getting a menu working first though.
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@heterodox said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
There wasn't the nostalgia factor that draws in everyone from the low teens to forty-fifty somethings.
I think these people would only have been exposed through their children (or much younger siblings).
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@JazzyJosh said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
I assume they're already doing plane detection
I'm not sure it does. In the car, venonat was dancing around with no regard to any surfaces, but it might just be it didn't like the tilt of my dash
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@Magus said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
Until you have Pokemon walking around your house, dealing with the topology, it's uninteresting to me.
But you'll keep telling us how uninterested you are, right?
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@boomzilla said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
@heterodox said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
There wasn't the nostalgia factor that draws in everyone from the low teens to forty-fifty somethings.
I think these people would only have been exposed through their children (or much younger siblings).
That's my impression. Yeah, fifty is probably on the hyperbolic end but I've met the higher end of the demographic and been pleasantly surprised.
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@Tsaukpaetra Why aren't you smushing those duplicates into sweet sweet candy?
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@Yamikuronue Guess not then
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@theBread said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra Why aren't you smushing those duplicates into sweet sweet candy?
What!?!?!?
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@Tsaukpaetra What did you think happened when you transfer a pokemon to the professor? Where else do <pokemon> candy come from?
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@theBread said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra What did you think happened when you transfer a pokemon to the professor? Where else do <pokemon> candy come from?
The same place lollipops come from when visiting the dentist? ?
... Holy crap that got dark real fast...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
The same place lollipops come from when visiting the dentist? ?
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@boomzilla said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
But you'll keep telling us how uninterested you are, right?
I'm very interested in what they're almost doing.
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@Magus NO TRUE AUGMENTED REALITY!
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I just caught a weedle in the can at work. While taking a dump and posting on WTDWTF.
It's name is Weedlord. Because Weedlordbonerhitler is too long. I'll have to name a cubone cubonerhitler
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Not sure if I like the game. From what I gather and played for a bit, it's basically Ingress, except more... meh. There doesn't seem to be as much of a territory control element as there was in Ingress - there are gyms that can belong to one faction or the other, but no fields. Shame, because that was one of the bigger draws of Ingress - position and location matter, you need to plan with respect to the city map to get the most out of your links, and to succeed you need coordination and dedication to your team.
Pokemon Go seems more geared towards individualistic gameplay - go out, catch some Pokemon, move around a bit to train - than actual team vs. team battling. Also the scope looks much smaller - there doesn't seem to be a reason to go out to the far end of the city or travel hundreds of miles, unlike in Ingress where the further you go out, the longer your link can be.
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@Maciejasjmj And honestly it all makes me wish I were playing Ingress instead. Go try it. It's more fun, even if it's not as gimmicky, and the servers don't crash so much.
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@boomzilla I assume it's someone trolling, not an actual WBC member. Which in no way reduces how funny this is, mind.
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@Onyx said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
I assume it's someone trolling, not an actual WBC member.
I dunno...it looks like the church's twitter account was quoted there. If you read the article, it looks like some trolls went and took over the gym at their church (I guess? I don't play, so I have no idea how that works) and now the church is fighting back in the game.
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@boomzilla It's kinda hard to say with them, since there is so much mockery employed as a counter to their shit... I'm still gonna laugh either way, outrage at WBC is damned near pointless since they are a laughing stock for a while now. So I pick laughing, it's healthier.
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@Maciejasjmj said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
than actual team vs. team battling
There are some gyms near me that are hotly contested, and it brings in more of that team-vs-team metagame aspects: the only feasible way to take over a gym with 3 or more pokemon almost or into the 4-digit range is to rush it with a group of people, and since everyone in my team are on the same pokemon team, we can do that at lunch and see our work torn down a few hours later when another team in another company goes on lunch. It's quite exciting.
I k eep meaning to get into
InvernessIngress, wow but I feel like unless you know people who play, it's not so great.
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@Yamikuronue said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
I k eep meaning to get into Inverness but I feel like unless you know people who play, it's not so great.
That's what the chat is for. In my city, there's a general group on G+ and two for each faction, and the local (25km range) chat channel is generally quite lively.
It's much better when you know people who play, yeah, but the point is it's not exactly hard to find those people. And you can still play by yourself (heh, heh), AFAIR there's also some pretty nice single-playerish content in bigger cities - generally "visit those landmarks in this amount of time", it just misses the "MMO" part of the game.
Speaking of, my ideal city game would be someone implementing Scotland Yard as a mobile game. Except with real taxis, buses and so on. Gather a group of people, give one a head start, have Mr. X visit several random points in the city while the other players try to chase them.
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@ben_lubar said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
Don't be silly. Water doesn't boil until at least 373.2.
Degrees or radians?
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Haha oh my god we're all awful people.
Maybe a dozen cars out there tonight doing slow laps in the graveyard, hitting the dozen or so pokestops and battling for the three gyms that are out there.
Then I saw someone drop two lures in the park and went and hung out with some nice college kids and a dad with his two young boys who were all chilling out on the grass.
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@Yamikuronue said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
Haha oh my god we're all awful people.
At least you included yourself.
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Status: oh crap I have no more balls!
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@Yamikuronue said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
low laps in the graveyard,
Anyone find dusknoir?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
oh crap I have no more balls!
Well, you are playing a Pokemon game.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
Status: oh crap I have no more balls!
Wait, WTF I have two now! Where did those come from?
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There was a positively huge number of people in one of our local parks today.
I'm pretty impressed tbh. Like, there was a huge demographic and about 200% higher turnout than I would've expected.
Also, for hillarity points, they put a Gym right here.
That building in the middle of the road?
It's this
The entrance to Wright-Patterson AFB.
I'm pretty sure the only guys who do stuff at that gym are the gate guards (and they're in the right demographic, so it wouldn't surprise me if they did....)
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
Where did those come from?
Grabbed the wrong pocket?
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@FrostCat said in The Official Pokèmon Go Thread:
Anyone find dusknoir?
No, there's a totally missed opportunity: there were no pokemon in the graveyard at all. I'm wondering if:
- There was no terrain type defined, stopping spawns,
- There were pokemon but I'm too low level to see them, or
- There are only pokemon there at night
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The next time your team takes over the gym, you should leave three Pokemon, in ascending CP order:
- Nicknamed "Prep4Trbl"
- Nicknamed "MakeItDbl"
- A Meowth, nicknamed "ThatsRight"
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@izzion Nah, it should be a Blastoise called "SpdOfLight"
followed by any pokemon called "SrndrNow"
and one "Prep2fght"
and then said Meowth
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Also, this is Gen I pokes only (1-151) at this point, so there wouldn't be a Dusknoir :p
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@izzion Then why in the crap do I not remember half of these damn things!?
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@Weng There were 151 pokemon in gen1, maybe you forgot half of them? What are you seeing that you don't remember?