Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Because those apps are baked into the recovery files.
Candy crush is "baked" into the recovery files? Holy fuck that sounds terrible and backwards and wrong!
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Don't like the apps your OEM preinstalls? Don't get it from that OEM.
So, in other words, don't get Microsoft from Microsoft? Because this is what happens on my MSDN-sourced ISOs.
Microsoft's pure Windows install does come with its own bloatware. But if you uninstall it, it stays uninstalled.
I literally just said it doesn't. You calling me a liar?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Because those apps are baked into the recovery files.
Candy crush is "baked" into the recovery files? Holy fuck that sounds terrible and backwards and wrong!
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Don't like the apps your OEM preinstalls? Don't get it from that OEM.
So, in other words, don't get Microsoft from Microsoft? Because this is what happens on my MSDN-sourced ISOs.
Microsoft's pure Windows install does come with its own bloatware. But if you uninstall it, it stays uninstalled.
I literally just said it doesn't. You calling me a liar?
You said you click 'Reset my computer'. That resets it to your OEM's state. You would perhaps see different results if you installed Windows by booting the installer from external media and telling it to install as if it had never been installed before.
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@pie_flavor I'll quote the relevant part for you
Because this is what happens on my MSDN-sourced ISOs.
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Because those apps are baked into the recovery files.
Candy crush is "baked" into the recovery files? Holy fuck that sounds terrible and backwards and wrong!
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Don't like the apps your OEM preinstalls? Don't get it from that OEM.
So, in other words, don't get Microsoft from Microsoft? Because this is what happens on my MSDN-sourced ISOs.
Microsoft's pure Windows install does come with its own bloatware. But if you uninstall it, it stays uninstalled.
I literally just said it doesn't. You calling me a liar?
You said you click 'Reset my computer'. That resets it to your OEM's state. You would perhaps see different results if you installed Windows by booting the installer from external media and telling it to install as if it had never been installed before.
There IS NO OEM!!!! I am the OEM. I installed it with Microsoft's fucking ISOs. There is no external media when resetting, there is no "never been installed before".
What the fuck reading comprehension, man!!!
Edit: motherfucking keyboard gah!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Because those apps are baked into the recovery files.
Candy crush is "baked" into the recovery files? Holy fuck that sounds terrible and backwards and wrong!
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Don't like the apps your OEM preinstalls? Don't get it from that OEM.
So, in other words, don't get Microsoft from Microsoft? Because this is what happens on my MSDN-sourced ISOs.
Microsoft's pure Windows install does come with its own bloatware. But if you uninstall it, it stays uninstalled.
I literally just said it doesn't. You calling me a liar?
You said you click 'Reset my computer'. That resets it to your OEM's state. You would perhaps see different results if you installed Windows by booting the installer from external media and telling it to install as if it had never been installed before.
There IS NO OEM!!!! I am the OEM. I installed it with Microsoft's fucking ISOs. There is no external media when resetting, there is no "never been installed before".
What the fuck reading comprehension, man!!!
Edit: motherfucking keyboard gah!
Well, it works fine for @pie_flavor so obviously you must be doing something wrong. It's not like the fucking around in registry he admitted to in the Windows Updates thread could have anything to do with this at all.
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@Tsaukpaetra You are the OEM? Are you referring to a computer you built yourself?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@dcon said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Store:
INCOMINGa great App is on its way!!!FTFY
Make Apps Great Again?
@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Just uninstall the shit and you're done. Easy.
As long as you don't mind having to do it over and over and over again. Some people get lucky, some people get the zombie appocalypse.
@Zerosquare said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
What kind of message were they trying to convey?
"Get a new Windows 8 machine and it will be capable of doing both work and games."
Not to mention the "huh, you don't need Windows 8 for that?"
They never said you did. They just said that if you get a new Windows 8 machine, you will be able to do both, which is technically correct.
I don't think an ad saying "With a new Windows 8 machine, you can do all the same stuff you could do with Windows 7, but maybe easier I dunno" would have sold as many copies.
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It's still a backwards way to advertise a new product. Why didn't they focus on something that was exclusive to Windows 8?
I dunno. Every MS ad seems to elicit either "meh" or "huh?" responses. They can afford massive hiring the best ad agencies in the world and spending a lot on communication, yet they never seem to produce good ads for their products.
Apple ads may reek of condescending hipsteritude, but at last they're effective, and sometimes even memorable.
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@Zerosquare said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Because I've heard widely different experiences from people running Windows 10, even from those who are knowledgeable and have no reason to lie about it. That OS seems utterly non-deterministic.
Amen.
Windows has always had some sort of weird randomness in it, but Windows 10 has taken things to a whole new level. Previously, I always had the same problem:
Clean install.
Program A won't install or won't run properly.Wipe hard drive. Clean install.
Program A now installs and runs properly.
Program B won't install or won't run properly.Wipe hard drive. Clean install.
Programs A and B now install and run properly.
Program C won't install or won't run properly.And so on . . . . . . until I finally get a fully working install.
I started using the new Windows 10 Pro for Workstations a few months ago and this latest release has been the least problematic Windows 10 install I've ever done. Of course, it's still Windows 10, so even when it is working as intended, its still a big bag of shit.
I still have to occasionally swap out my boot drive to one with Windows 7 on it, just because Windows 10 makes me hate using a computer.
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra You are the OEM? Are you referring to a computer you built yourself?
Among many others.
Edit: I will admit my Enterprise ISO is a bit outdated though...
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Strange. I did a clean Install yesterday, Win 10 Home edition, and I just got the download stub like thingies for those games in the start menu, right clicked and uninstalled all of them. Took me a minute tops. I'm surprised fucky behaviour like this is not consistent across devices.
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@Atazhaia said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Also, for some extra salt in the wounds, this is me running the Professional edition.
That means you can set group policies. Use them! It's the only way to make sure that Windows 10 doesn't lose your most important settings after each feature update. (/cc @Zerosquare, who complained about this.)
Obvious and user-friendly, like always….
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@stillwater said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Strange. I did a clean Install yesterday, Win 10 Home edition, and I just got the download stub like thingies for those games in the start menu, right clicked and uninstalled all of them. Took me a minute tops. I'm surprised fucky behaviour like this is not consistent across devices.
You were able to cancel the download (While it's still in the blue-arrow state) and it didn't attempt to add itself anyways (but not on the Tile portion of the Start Menu)?
Color me surprised, maybe they finally unfucked something in the SP6 version of Windows 10.
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@dfdub said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Atazhaia said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Also, for some extra salt in the wounds, this is me running the Professional edition.
That means you can set group policies. Use them! It's the only way to make sure that Windows 10 doesn't lose your most important settings after each feature update. (/cc @Zerosquare, who complained about this.)
Obvious and user-friendly, like always….
The trouble is, joining the PC to the domain and getting that initial policy sync-up before they all start downloading...
Edit: Or, script out all those settings to be applied as a Local Group Policy I guess. That could work too, maybe?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Or, script out all those settings to be applied as a Local Group Policy I guess. That could work too, maybe?
I was too lazy to script, so I just wrote down the names of the important policies for my next computer.
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@Atazhaia said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Disney's Magical Fucking Kingdom.
I knew it had to get to that eventually: now they’ve taken over most other TV and movie entertainment, the porn market is pretty much all that’s left for Disney to expand into
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@Gurth said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Atazhaia said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Disney's Magical Fucking Kingdom.
I knew it had to get to that eventually: now they’ve taken over most other TV and movie entertainment, the porn market is pretty much all that’s left for Disney to expand into
I'm rather surprised they haven't yet. There's tons of money to be made here!
And think of what people will pay for HD and 4k versions!
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@Tsaukpaetra And they’d be able to get a whole new audience to come to the associated theme parks.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
and it didn't attempt to add itself anyways (but not on the Tile portion of the Start Menu)?
That's right. I have very limited patience for nonsense like this since after the "set up CUDA on linux" adventure and if I'd seen behaviour described in OP I would have lost my shit.
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@stillwater said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
and it didn't attempt to add itself anyways (but not on the Tile portion of the Start Menu)?
That's right. I have very limited patience for nonsense like this since after the "set up CUDA on linux" adventure and if I'd seen behaviour described in OP I would have lost my shit.
Hold on, I gotta take care of these curiously rectangular blocks of excrement produced in response to your statement.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@stillwater said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
and it didn't attempt to add itself anyways (but not on the Tile portion of the Start Menu)?
That's right. I have very limited patience for nonsense like this since after the "set up CUDA on linux" adventure and if I'd seen behaviour described in OP I would have lost my shit.
Hold on, I gotta take care of these curiously rectangular blocks of excrement produced in response to your statement.
What?
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@stillwater said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@stillwater said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
and it didn't attempt to add itself anyways (but not on the Tile portion of the Start Menu)?
That's right. I have very limited patience for nonsense like this since after the "set up CUDA on linux" adventure and if I'd seen behaviour described in OP I would have lost my shit.
Hold on, I gotta take care of these curiously rectangular blocks of excrement produced in response to your statement.
What?
I shat bricks!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Candy crush is "baked" into the recovery files? Holy fuck that sounds terrible and backwards and wrong!
No no, they're not "baked", they're "infused", like some kind of weird candy-crush-herbal-saga tea.
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I am about 1000% sure that, aside from Candy Crush, y’all are full of shit.
Of course, my electric company can’t be arsed to give me electricity this morning so I cannot access any W10 machines to validate.
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Electricity obtained.
This box has been in existence since just after W10 RTM.
I installed all of that except Solitaire, Calculator, Mail/Calendar, Photos, Movies/TV (which presumably came about when they decontented those from the OS and moved them to store apps)
Skype and Groove Music can fuck off, but are decidedly first party and have been there since day 1.
Mobile Plans is, IIRC, part of the base config to help you buy a SIM if your shit will take one. Which I don't think any W10 devices do these days.
It's all first party. All of it.
You'll note the absence of Candy Crush. That's because I uninstalled it.
I didn't fuck around with ACL's or any fucking settings. I uninstalled it. Once. Three fucking years and like six major updates ago.That's all.
Pro tip: Windows (and a lot of generally thoughtful well written software) works way better if you don't scream "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" at a feature you don't like and go doing shit that looks an awful lot like filesystem corruption in order to do what you assume will permanently disable it. Maintenance processes can be created to UNDO perceived corruption. And what's the best way to make sure a feature that was corrupted is fixed? Nuke it all and reset it to the defaults.
This is ever more likely if that feature is a fragile POS known to corrupt itself on its own (see another thread)
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@Weng Seems to be version related maybe? None of my home or work computers have any apps other other than the ones you have. I don't have any specific GPs for managing that. All these SKUs are Professional though, maybe you only get these shenanigans in Home or Starter?
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@Weng said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Pro tip: Windows (and a lot of generally thoughtful well written software) works way better if you don't scream "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" at a feature you don't like and go doing shit that looks an awful lot like filesystem corruption in order to do what you assume will permanently disable it.
@Zerosquare said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Since I didn't want anything to break now or later, I didn't use Regedit or any third-party tool, only the "official" methods to change settings or uninstall programs.
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@Weng
I'm pretty sure I removed OneNote more than once and I also remember having to remove some Farmville game and Asphalt 8 after a feature update. Don't accuse us of lying just because you were apparently lucky. Microsoft definitely auto-installed other apps than just Candy Crush and they definitely reset some of my settings during an update.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Get Skype (yes, you were forced to download an app to get an app)
More than a quarter of a kilomonth ago I went to an ordinary bank branch and asked them about borrowing some money. They gave me a form to fill in. If approved, they would then send me a loan application form.
Yes. I had to apply to be allowed to apply for a loan.
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@Weng said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Electricity obtained.
* imagines @Weng frantically pedaling on a hometrainer to power his pc and pointing to the screen
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@Luhmann said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Weng said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Electricity obtained.
* imagines @Weng frantically pedaling on a hometrainer to power his pc and pointing to the screen
From what I know about him, he would probably just jack up one of his car and use that to make the hometrainer turn
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@zerosquare said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Weng said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Pro tip: Windows (and a lot of generally thoughtful well written software) works way better if you don't scream "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" at a feature you don't like and go doing shit that looks an awful lot like filesystem corruption in order to do what you assume will permanently disable it.
@Zerosquare said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Since I didn't want anything to break now or later, I didn't use Regedit or any third-party tool, only the "official" methods to change settings or uninstall programs.
And as I mentioned (way) above, the initial setup is a little wonked. In order to uninstall the app (and have it stay uninstalled), you have to wait for it to install first. But once that is done, it stays uninstalled. Other than GetOffice, I have had no app reinstall itself on a system update. (And GO was fixed a long time ago - Anniversary update?)
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I'll keep that in mind for the next time I have to handle W10 (which I hope is "never").
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Launching the Store for the first time in a while apparently caused me to purchase some free apps?
It didn't install them though.
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@Atazhaia said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
GODDAMMIT DISNEY MAGIC KINGDOMS! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO KILL YOU BEFORE YOU STAY DEAD?
It's magic.
Necromancy, specifically.
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@zerosquare said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Why didn't they focus on something that was exclusive to Windows 8?
Because "now the Start menu occupies your whole screen and is really going to annoy a lot of people" also wouldn't have sold as many copies?
What do people want to do with computers?
(a) play games
(b) email, social media, internet
(c) when necessary, workThat's pretty much it. A new OS isn't going to make any of that stuff significantly easier or better. Gotta keep selling them though.
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@Scarlet_Manuka said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
What do people want to do with computers?
(a) play games
(b) email, social media, internet
(c) when necessary, workThat's pretty much it.
No, also:
(d) watch Disney Magical Fucking Kingdom
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@Gurth dmfk is going to get through where pr0n cannot
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@blakeyrat said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Atazhaia said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
GODDAMMIT DISNEY MAGIC KINGDOMS! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO KILL YOU BEFORE YOU STAY DEAD?
It's magic.
Necromancy, specifically.
And of course if it's really necromancy, she's asking him to help in her divination magic. All the "mancies" are forms of divination magic.
None of that stops modern RPGs, MMO or otherwise, from using "necromancer" as a synonym for "combat magician using undeads, disease and poisons, and direct attacks against the spirit".
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@Steve_The_Cynic Sigh. The picture does appear to be of
Speak With Dead
. What would you have us call the raisers of the dead?
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This is way late, but my work provided laptop has Windows 10 Pro on it, and no Candy Crush or other crapware. It might be group policy (although it's not restrictive in pretty much any other way from what I can tell), or maybe we got some fancy corporate Win10 image from Lenovo that doesn't install that stuff, or something else.
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@pie_flavor said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Again, people searching for something to complain about.
No, the stuff is coming to them.
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As a side note, after a clean install, your Win10 computer will connect to a bunch of services
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Yes. I had to apply to be allowed to apply for a loan.
Try getting a US student visa. There were more meta-levels than just that one.
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@gurth said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
@Scarlet_Manuka said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
What do people want to do with computers?
(a) play games
(b) email, social media, internet
(c) when necessary, workThat's pretty much it.
No, also:
(d) watch Disney Magical Fucking Kingdom
The Internet is for...?
i.e. covered under (b)
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@TimeBandit Online service based apps connecting to their online services? Oh, the humanity!
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@pie_flavor Client apps what nobody asked for services what nobody asked for. Fucknoying.
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@loopback0 said in Windows and the unwanted apps [Angry rant time]:
Launching the Store for the first time in a while apparently caused me to purchase some free apps?
It didn't install them though.Yeah, the way they're listed is ... weird. If you get a license to an app, it's "purchased".
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@dcon I think if they just said 'license valid' it would make people (the mythical general public) feel like they... hadn't bought anything at all.
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They could have distinguished between apps you actually spent money on, and apps you got for free. Their current solution is confusing.
"Can I use your PC, honey?"
"Sure."
"Wait... what?! You bought Candy Crush Saga?!"
"Huh? No! Actually, let me explain..."
"Forget it. I can't live with someone who wastes money on such trash. Goodbye."