Windows Update removed my Home Group
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So I installed Windows Update for my Win10 PC last night, and today found my sister's laptop running Win7 (Which cannot be updated to Win10 because the upgrade agent marked hardware as incompatible) cannot access my shares.
Fxck!
Why would Microsoft remove any actively using feature from my computer without asking me first? The installer should be able to query my registry to see I have HomeGroup currently in use.
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Is this permanent removal of the feature, or some configuration screwup you can fix?
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@cartman82 apparently, it's gone, buddy!
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Home Group was removed in the April update. You checked what was in your update before applying it, right?
Just configure the file sharing without it.
Weren't there only like 5 people that used Home Group anyway?
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@loopback0 said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
You checked what was in your update before applying it, right?
People do that on Windows?
I can only get through so many
KB43857934857893 - Culmunative update for Windows version 4378345s andKB4835798342789574 - Security updates before giving up on looking for anything useful...
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@loopback0 said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Home Group was removed in the April update. You checked what was in your update before applying it, right?
Just configure the file sharing without it.
Weren't there only like 5 people that used Home Group anyway?Right. I was afraid they removed samba / file sharing. But I don't care about the Home Group itself, I never even tried setting that shit up.
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@onyx said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
People do that on Windows?
No but you can't install an update and complain Windows didn't tell you it was removing something when you had the option of finding out what was in the update but chose not to.
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@onyx said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
People do that on Windows?
I can only get through so many KB43857934857893 - Culmunative update for Windows version 4378345s and KB4835798342789574 - Security updates before giving up on looking for anything useful...I like how, after every update, they pop up a notification that some marketing drone wrote.
"Windows is getting better all the time! Check out what's new in this update! ❤❤❤"
Then you click it and it takes you to some Windows Vista-like screen with a boring list of featureless KB45435324534 items. Yay. How exciting. Thank you for wasting 30 seconds of my time.
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@loopback0 said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
No but you can't install an update
It's harder not to install it, TBH
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@loopback0 Actually I complained about it in Microsoft Answers and Windows Insider forum when I knew it, apparently Microsoft does not care.
And the update is installed when I shutdown my PC (the "install update and shutdown" thing), so I knew the Home Group is removed from my PC after it's removed.
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@loopback0 said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@onyx said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
People do that on Windows?
No but you can't install an update and complain Windows didn't tell you it was removing something when you had the option of finding out what was in the update but chose not to.
Except you have no way to find out what is going to install on "install update and shutdown" screen. There's not even visual cue that you're installing a major update instead of normal one until the second reboot.
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@onyx said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@loopback0 said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
No but you can't install an update
It's harder not to install it, TBH
IIRC I had to give it permission to install the April update, unlike the random smaller updates that happen by themselves.
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@loopback0 I said "easier", not "impossible".
The "HEY, YOU SHOULD UPDATE!" screen popping up all the fucking time and blocking input makes it hard to use the computer if it's not updated. So of course people will give up.
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@loopback0 said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@onyx said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@loopback0 said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
No but you can't install an update
It's harder not to install it, TBH
IIRC I had to give it permission to install the April update, unlike the random smaller updates that happen by themselves.
AFAIK I've never explicitly give it permission to update beyond the "install update and shutdown button". Nothing that make me think it's not another "Tuesday Security Update".
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@onyx said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@loopback0 I said "easier", not "impossible".
The "HEY, YOU SHOULD UPDATE!" screen popping up all the fucking time and blocking input makes it hard to use the computer if it's not updated. So of course people will give up.
It beats the user into submission like all good software.
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@onyx said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
The "HEY, YOU SHOULD UPDATE!" screen popping up all the fucking time and blocking input makes it hard to use the computer if it's not updated. So of course people will give up.
That's the one which treats pressing any key that you might possibly be using during playing a game as permission to begin installation immediately, yes?
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Not sure if this is related, but I installed updates to a few Inedo products yesterday and
NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICEapparently no longer had permission to access the database despite being listed in SSMS until I edited and saved (with no changes) the user role.
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@cheong said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@loopback0 Actually I complained about it... apparently Microsoft does not care.
You don't say!
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@dkf At least it doesn't reboot or sleep the machine immediately. Which I had happen yesterday. I come home and the computer is showing Debian's login screen (that's what GRUB defaults to). Ok, Windows probably decided to reboot, sigh.
Reboot again and boot into Windows, it finishes installing stuff, starts restoring the windows that were open before it rebooted. While it's doing that I'm already using FF and Googling something.
Then, I assume, Windows remembered it was in sleep mode before it rebooted. So it goes to sleep. AS I'M TYPING.
Thanks,
ObamaWindows!
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@onyx
SUBMIT PEASANT USER
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@ben_lubar This is because the update was an OS upgrade and regenerated the GUID identifying that account.
Best practice is to create actual service accounts for things that need access to resources.
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@weng said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Best practice is to
create actual service accounts for things that need access to resourcesuse Windows 7FTF how I kept our automated build system alive and well.
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@weng said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@ben_lubar This is because the update was an OS upgrade and regenerated the GUID identifying that account.
Best practice is to create actual service accounts for things that need access to resources.
Is that something I can do easily on Windows 10 Home edition? I remember trying to look into it for a build agent before giving up and just setting it as network service.
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@mott555 said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@weng said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Best practice is to
create actual service accounts for things that need access to resourcesuse Windows 7FTF how I kept our automated build system alive and well.
I use Linux with some bullshit that lets me run MSVC.
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@ben_lubar said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Is that something I can do easily on Windows 10 Home edition?
Should be no different than creating any other user account on the system.
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@dragnslcr said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@cheong said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@loopback0 Actually I complained about it... apparently Microsoft does not care.
You don't say!
More like "I have no say".
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@weng said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@ben_lubar This is because the update was an OS upgrade and regenerated the GUID identifying that account.
Best practice is to create actual service accounts for things that need access to resources.
Uh. Wat? The SID for NETWORK SERVICE is fixed:
S-1-5-20. There's no way that changed. Does SQL Server not use standard ACEs (which reference accounts by SID)?
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@onyx said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
I come home and the computer is showing Debian's login screen
Windows is forcing you to use Debian? Nice
that's what GRUB defaults to
You can change the default to boot to the last used one
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@timebandit said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
You can change the default to boot to the last used one
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@onyx said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Put the following in /etc/default/grub:
GRUB_DEFAULT=saved GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=trueThen run:
sudo update-grubAt least, next time Windows reboot AGAIN for an update, it will finish it
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@ben_lubar said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Not sure if this is related, but I installed updates to a few Inedo products yesterday and NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE apparently no longer had permission to access the database despite being listed in SSMS until I edited and saved (with no changes) the user role.
That hasn't been the best practice in a long time. Use the IIS AppPool virtual users.
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@loopback0 said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
No but you can't install an update and complain Windows didn't tell you it was removing something when you had the option of finding out what was in the update but chose not to.
Do you even have the option of not installing an update?
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@polygeekery said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Do you even have the option of not installing an update?
It's a feature release not a normal update. I had to tell it to do so rather than it just doing it itself.
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@loopback0 said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@polygeekery said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Do you even have the option of not installing an update?
It's a feature release not a normal update. I had to tell it to do so rather than it just doing it itself.
Yeah, well, lots of people get notifications that Windows is going to reboot and fuck all their shit up. I don't.
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@polygeekery said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Yeah, well, lots of people get notifications that Windows is going to reboot and fuck all their shit up. I don't.
I don't either
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@timebandit said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@polygeekery said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Yeah, well, lots of people get notifications that Windows is going to reboot and fuck all their shit up. I don't.
I don't either
It's OK, I fixed the problem.
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@loopback0 said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@polygeekery said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Do you even have the option of not installing an update?
It's a feature release not a normal update. I had to tell it to do so rather than it just doing it itself.
Not for me. I installed it as normal update last night.
Maybe you get the UI option if you install it at April, but definitely not now.
EDIT: Nothing like the screen shown on this page is shown.
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@polygeekery said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
It's OK, I fixed the problem.
That's cheating!
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@polygeekery said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@timebandit said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@polygeekery said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Yeah, well, lots of people get notifications that Windows is going to reboot and fuck all their shit up. I don't.
I don't either
It's OK, I fixed the problem.
Does that actually work now? Because I know my system did updates and autoreboots in the early Win10 days even after I theoretically disabled everything I could find about Windows Updates.
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@mott555 said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Does that actually work now? Because I know my system did updates and autoreboots in the early Win10 days even after I theoretically disabled everything I could find about Windows Updates.
Yep. I haven't had this POS OS reboot without my permission since I did it.
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@mott555 said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@polygeekery said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@timebandit said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@polygeekery said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Yeah, well, lots of people get notifications that Windows is going to reboot and fuck all their shit up. I don't.
I don't either
It's OK, I fixed the problem.
Does that actually work now? Because I know my system did updates and autoreboots in the early Win10 days even after I theoretically disabled everything I could find about Windows Updates.
I wonder it too. Apparently at Win10AU, the "Windows Update" service will enable itself from time to time even if you set it to "Disabled". Some goes as far as to use "sc delete" just to remove it and make sure it won't come back.
If it won't enable itself on your computer, maybe it's not Windows enable it, but some antivirus or the sort enables it. The Windows Security Center is possible candidate too.
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@cheong said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
the "Windows Update" service will enable itself from time to time even if you set it to "Disabled"
Time to code a service that will periodically disable Windows Update service
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@cheong said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@loopback0 said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@polygeekery said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Do you even have the option of not installing an update?
It's a feature release not a normal update. I had to tell it to do so rather than it just doing it itself.
Not for me. I installed it as normal update last night.
Feature updates will install with the other updates if you don't have a known hardware conflict, it's made available on your channel, and (early in the release cycle) if your machine is randomly selected. This week Microsoft pushed 1803 to the "Semi-Annual Channel", which is the delayed install channel. (It used to be called "Current Build for Business".) Practical upshot: 1803 should be installing with the regular Windows Updates for everyone now, barring hardware conflicts.
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@parody said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@cheong said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@loopback0 said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@polygeekery said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Do you even have the option of not installing an update?
It's a feature release not a normal update. I had to tell it to do so rather than it just doing it itself.
Not for me. I installed it as normal update last night.
Feature updates will install with the other updates if you don't have a known hardware conflict
I have a known hardware conflict. Busted GPU. Always hangs up mid-update. Had it happen like 30 times already. Tried every method I could to prevent it. Revoking the SYSTEM user permission to access certain C:\Windows subdirectories worked for like two months, but it's updating again now. Thankfully it's summer break and I don't actually need that laptop until September.
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@blakeyrat said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@ben_lubar said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Not sure if this is related, but I installed updates to a few Inedo products yesterday and NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE apparently no longer had permission to access the database despite being listed in SSMS until I edited and saved (with no changes) the user role.
That hasn't been the best practice in a long time. Use the IIS AppPool virtual users.
That doesn't work for granting database access, if your database is hosted on a different server. (Nor does it work for anything you want to run as a Windows service instead of an app pool.)
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@gąska said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@parody said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Feature updates will install with the other updates if you don't have a known hardware conflict
I have a known hardware conflict. Busted GPU.
Here Microsoft means "something incompatible for everyone with a specific piece of hardware", like the SSDs that didn't work with early 1803 so they stopped offering the update to machines with those drives while they figured it out.
Sorry you have a laptop with a broken part.
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@parody I know what they mean. I'm just sick and tired of their mandatory update policy.
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@cheong said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Windows Update
Idiot.
@cheong said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
Win10
Idiot.
@cheong said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
I complained about it in Microsoft Answers and Windows Insider forum
see above
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@timebandit said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
@cheong said in Windows Update removed my Home Group:
the "Windows Update" service will enable itself from time to time even if you set it to "Disabled"
Time to code a service that will periodically disable Windows Update service
TaskBlocker
Task Blocker
Download Task Blocker for free. Task Blocker is an administration tool which can prevent running any application in Windows.
I also use it to autokill Windows10UpdateHelper.exe or whatever the fuck that piece of shit is called.
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@lorne-kates Thanks for the tip, but I don't suffer Windows10.
When there's an update, I get a nice little icon in the notification area
If I don't click on it, my computer doesn't burst into flame, and no puppy get killed.
Also, my computer never reboot without my consent.
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HomeGroup removed from Windows 10 (Version 1803) - Microsoft Support
