Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!)
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Plus, there's an indescribable satisfaction in seeing someone behave like an asshole and getting caught for it.
QFT!!!
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@heterodox said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@groaner said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
In the state I live in, the speed limits can be 10-20 MPH below what people actually drive, and the cops generally turn a blind eye.
Same here. I just asked a cop friend of mine what he'd say the threshold is, and he said obviously he can't speak for anyone else, but he doesn't bother pulling someone over unless they're going 15 over.
There's no official "threshold". You go 1mph over, you can get a ticket.
Obviously police have discretion and common sense. Is the ticket worth the hassle? Would they be able to defend it in court? etc.
Some people think this is a Written In Stone Rule.
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But officer, I was only going 9% over the limit! You can't ticket me unless I'm going 10% over, that's the threshold
Oh, thank you for confessing that you were speeding. I'll put that in my notes for the case, so I can bring it up in traffic court as needed.
What I meant to say is, I was ONLY going 5mph over. There are people going 10, 15, 20mph over, you should pull them over!
If there's a group of people speeding, I have to pick one to pull over. That's your luck. Also, hey, thanks again for confessing that you were speeding.
But I was only speeding to keep up with the flow of traffic!
No such concept or exception to the law. And once again, thanks for the confession.
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Good answer.Yeah, sure they're more likely to pull over the worse offenders. But if they pull you over all you can hope for is leniency by not being an ass. If all else fails 'Unsafe behaviour on the road' is so vaguely defined they can always get you on it.
And though I've heard people here suggest it's differently in the US, at least here in NL if everyone is speeding then the camera will send everyone a ticket and the judge won't bat an eyelid. Though traffic cameras have margins (lowered from 10% to 5% a few years ago), those are error margins and the cameras do have a measurement error.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
No, you were not told to "go faster". You were told "Hey buddy, I need to get past you. I'm not going to turn on my sirens and lights, because then you'll panic thinking I'm pulling you over. You'll probably panic so much that you'll try to stop, which is dangerous, or will smash into this barrier. I know you can't go faster, and I know you can't pull off. This is my message to you-- as soon as possible, get out of my way."
And then when you did, he sped off probably because he was responding to a call. But didn't have all his lights and sirens on because, again, it'd either send the wrong message to the cars he's following, or spook someone, or is under orders to arrive quietly on the scene (don't spook a hostage situation, etc).Dude it was fucking Florida. The cop was trying to get to his cocaine dealer quicker.
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@lorne-kates There are two towns in Florida that the AAA has designated as "speed trap zones". One has now changed, the other is still bad.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I saw plenty of "Speed enforced by radar" type signs when doing the cross countries drive. It didn't map 1:1 with actual enforcement.
I think it does depend on the countries as well. In the UK, as far as I remember, there is a camera every single time you see the sign (which doesn't look anything like a camera, but hey, that's what you get when signs were designed decades ago and not updated to follow tech... it's about as bad as the floppy disk icon for saving...).
In France, I think that there are two slightly different signs for radar (only the text on them differs a bit), one means "this might be a spot where police comes a bit more often, but really, take no notice" and the other normally means "there is a camera ahead". Although sometimes the camera has been removed (or never installed) and the sign isn't updated, but there isn't a camera without the sign before, that's even in the law. At least I think so, I remember when the first cameras were installed, this was something the government of the time agreed to in order to appease those yelling that speed traps were only there to get cash.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Where's your data on how it will scale up if you put them on the road en-masse right now?
Oh right that data doesn't exist. Because the tech is still being worked on and improved and that data is still being gathered.Same thing I said about legalizing marijuana ;)
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@groaner said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Why would speed traps be a concern?
Because they'll let trees cover up the sign that declares a lower speed limit, and you'll need a camera going at all times to prove it in court.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Part of such a warning is to pre-emptively enforce by psychology.
I've been wondering about that mobile electronic billboard that proudly proclaims "Speed Limit Enforced" despite there being no enforcement for miles. It seems to move around every month or so, typically appearing right after a highway exit. Pics upon request.
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@ben_lubar I tried it on my domain (non https):
I got a perfect score!
I should really update my site...
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@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@ben_lubar I tried it on my domain (non https):
I got a perfect score!
I should really update my site...
Wow, your site doesn't exist faster than 3% of sites!
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@ben_lubar said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@ben_lubar I tried it on my domain (non https):
I got a perfect score!
I should really update my site...
Wow, your site doesn't exist faster than 3% of sites!
It was also tested Dec 31!
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@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@ben_lubar said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@ben_lubar I tried it on my domain (non https):
I got a perfect score!
I should really update my site...
Wow, your site doesn't exist faster than 3% of sites!
It was also tested Dec 31!
1969, one assumes.
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@ben_lubar said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@ben_lubar said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@ben_lubar I tried it on my domain (non https):
I got a perfect score!
I should really update my site...
Wow, your site doesn't exist faster than 3% of sites!
It was also tested Dec 31!
1969, one assumes.
I was going to assume, but decided not to.
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@blakeyrat said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@benjamin-hall The 520 toll bridge in the Seattle area seems to be a limit-less no-man's-land for cops. Probably because people are like, "I paid fucking $4.30 to use this bridge, I'm going to drive as fast as I fucking want!" (At least I do.)
The 405 toll lane on the east side is like that too, with people complaining on neighborhood facebook groups about people going the speed limit when they paid 10 bucks to be in that lane.
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@thebread said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@blakeyrat said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@benjamin-hall The 520 toll bridge in the Seattle area seems to be a limit-less no-man's-land for cops. Probably because people are like, "I paid fucking $4.30 to use this bridge, I'm going to drive as fast as I fucking want!" (At least I do.)
The 405 toll lane on the east side is like that too, with people complaining on neighborhood facebook groups about people going the speed limit when they paid 10 bucks to be in that lane.
I was just going 72 on the way to work in lane 2 (numbering is fast->slow lane) of 4. Went to move into 3 and was almost clipped by someone doing 90. I had just looked, it was clear. Put blinker on, started moving, double check, excessive swearing while swerving hard back into my lane. Fucking Mercedes driver. 101 does not have the Lexus Lane yet. (Yes, 72 on 101 thru Palo Alto!)
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@hardwaregeek said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
And if someone fill the gap and matches 65. You know what I do? Ease up ever so slightly on the gas and do 63 until I have widened the gap again to 2 seconds.
If you try that around here, you'll just be forced to drive slower and slower until you're cited for obstructing traffic.
You wouldn't happen to live in Pennsylvania, would you?
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
not only are you speeding and tailgating, but also driving dangerously
Why do you repeat yourself like that?
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@blakeyrat said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Second, and this can't be stated enough: there is no "fast lane" that lets you exceed the speed limit.
That's not true in Washington State.
The law specifically allows exceeding the speed limit while overtaking, in fact, since it's safest to get the maneuver over as quickly as possible. (While you're overtaking you have fewer "escape routes", so the safest option is to get your car where it can escape to the right lane as quickly as possible. Most roads don't have an escape on the left shoulder, although some freeways do.)
As for the "left lane is for passing" law, it doesn't mention speed at all. It basically just says what's on the traffic signs "keep right except to pass". If you're driving in the left lane, at the speed limit or even 20 MPH over, you still need to move right if someone gets behind you trying to pass. The fact that he's over the speed limit is irrelevant. The fact that you're over the speed limit is also irrelevant.
Now that said, BOTH of those people could be ticketed for speeding. However, the guy who was blocking the left lane (even though he was speeding!) could be ticketed BOTH for speeding and for refusing to move right to let someone pass. So the guy who's clogging the left lane is clearly more wrong (if you apply Lorne's strict "the law is always right" approach) than the guy who's only speeding.
Check your local laws.
Come on. You're from the Puget Sound area. You know better. The reason you're not moving right to let the hypothetical tailgating idiot behind you over is because you can't get over into the lane to the right of you because traffic is just as heavy over there, if not worse.
You know it's true.
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@masonwheeler said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Why do you repeat yourself like that?
There are other ways to be dangerous at the wheel, such as excessive weaving from side to side, jumping red lights, etc.
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@masonwheeler said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Come on. You're from the Puget Sound area. You know better.
Yeah but I do lots of driving on the east side (of the mountains; not of Lake Washington). I-82 is a paradise for people who like to drive fast. Half the time you see tanks driving around, too.
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@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
There are other ways to be dangerous at the wheel, such as excessive weaving from side to side, jumping red lights, etc.
Yes, but speeding and (especially!) tailgating is driving dangerously, so saying "doing these things and also driving dangerously" is redundant.
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@masonwheeler said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
not only are you speeding and tailgating, but also driving dangerously
Why do you repeat yourself like that?
Technically speeding, tailgating and dangerous/reckless driving are three separate offenses. (and yes, I get the joke)
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@benjamin-hall said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates There are two towns in Florida that the AAA has designated as "speed trap zones". One has now changed, the other is still bad.
Aside from the fact that it's the AAA calling it that, and not any legal term-- the AAA calling a town a "speed trap" by giving it that designation is not "a designated speed trap".
That's be like me designating Pie_Flavor's mom a "cum dumpster", versus her being hired to be the official place where people dump cum.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
That's be like me designating Pie_Flavor's mom a "cum dumpster", versus her being hired to be the official place where people dump cum.
For that analogy to be accurate, you'd need to be a widely acknowledged and respected authority on what is and isn't a cum dumpster.
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@dkf
I fear his list of trans witness is rather stiff
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@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
That's be like me designating Pie_Flavor's mom a "cum dumpster", versus her being hired to be the official place where people dump cum.
For that analogy to be accurate, you'd need to be a widely acknowledged and respected authority on what is and isn't a cum dumpster.
Are you arguing that point?
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Are you arguing that point?
I don't know if I am or not, but I see a Wikipedia page on how the AAA are an authority on describing road-related matters within the USA, yet I don't see a Wikipedia page on how you're an authority on cum dumpsters. Not even an edit war. I'm guessing that whatever expertise you have in that area is currently considered (by people other than myself) to be non-notable.
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@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Are you arguing that point?
I don't know if I am or not, but I see a Wikipedia page on how the AAA are an authority on describing road-related matters within the USA, yet I don't see a Wikipedia page on how you're an authority on cum dumpsters. Not even an edit war. I'm guessing that whatever expertise you have in that area is currently considered (by people other than myself) to be non-notable.
This is Lorne. Those authorities are buried.
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@lorne-kates I never said it was designated by law. Just that it had signs outside it warning of the unethical behavior of the cops and local politicians. Waldo's police force got forcibly disbanded over corruption related to being the country's premier speed trap.
They used to have rapid alterations in limit (55, then 35 for 100 yard with no reason, then 45, then 25, back to 55, then down to 35, etc) and bust people who were 1mph over right after a sign. And the fees were huge (100+ to start, increasing rapidly). They also only enforced it heavily on those not local to the area, so they'd pay up instead of coming back to contest it.
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@benjamin-hall said in [Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't
I did 3,000 miles of driving over a week this summer. I saw lots of traffic. Both on freeways and on rural back lanes. Universally, going the speed limit (except in designated speed trap zones) would have impeded traffic.
That doesn't mean it was the wrong thing to do.
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@dcon said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I was just going 72 on the way to work ... (Yes, 72 on 101 thru Palo Alto!)
Either you were going to work at 03:00 or you were driving a (very fast) bulldozer and just pushing the traffic out of your way. :)
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@hardwaregeek said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@dcon said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I was just going 72 on the way to work ... (Yes, 72 on 101 thru Palo Alto!)
Either you were going to work at 03:00
Believe it or not, it was 8:45am!!!! I think 1/2 the Bay area must be taking a long weekend. (It felt like our cafeteria was missing 1/2 the poeple at lunch time)
edit: Or they were all still hung over from fireworks parties...
or you were driving a (very fast) bulldozer and just pushing the traffic out of your way. :)
Pretty sure I would have made the news in that case...
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Yeah, but I don't feel like putting my faith into the perfect accuracy of a cop's radar gun vs. my spedometer vs. "the constant ebb and flow of a human-controlled machine with imprecise controls".
There's an easy solution to that - go slower! I'd say 25MPH on the freeways should allow for quite a large margin of error. Plus, just think about how short your stopping distance will be!
Plus, there's an indescribable satisfaction in seeing someone behave like an asshole and getting caught for it.
Someone going 70 or 75 in a 55 during light traffic and ideal conditions, who's staying in lane and not swerving or tailgating is not someone I'd call an asshole.
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@groaner said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Someone going 70 or 75 in a 55 during light traffic and ideal conditions, who's staying in lane and not swerving or tailgating is not someone I'd call an asshole.
Especially if everyone is going that speed. Speed limits are not divine mandates. Given a choice of
- Driving a safe amount (based on conditions) over the limit to match traffic flow or
- Driving the speed limit and blocking traffic, thus causing a greater risk of accidents
I'll take the first. Stealing a phrase from a different context:
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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@lorne-kates speeding is illegal but not necessarily bad. I am very strict on residential streets but never on highways. You can't guilt me into driving like a mindless pussy no matter how good it makes you feel to drive that way.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Whatcha going to do about it? Aside from voting, protesting, petitioning municipal and state (or province) authorities?
Good luck finding a candidate willing to take on a relatively unimportant issue that can easily be distorted in attack ads. ("John Jackson wants to raise speed limits from 55 to 75 on the Foobar Expressway. John Jackson wants to turn our highways into dangerous racetracks. John Jackson, for a speeder's paradise. ")
Your more than welcome to protest by speeding. Just accept the consequences.
The police and the public have arrived at a workaround: in general, people drive at speeds they feel comfortable, and the police stay lax in their enforcement, focusing on drivers who are actually a threat to safety.
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@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
mindless pussy
That depends on whether they're pre-op or post-op, but either way, they're undeniably mindless after he murders them.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
"Everyone else was doing bad things, so that makes it okay for me to do it! It's normal."
When in Rome, conform to the relative morality.
People love to point out the "but look at all those cars speeding by" fallacy. It's called confirmation bias. You know why? Because all the cars who AREN'T speeding, and who are doing the speed limit too-- you don't see them. Except for the ones right around you. There's hundreds of miles of roadway's worth of cars doing the speed limit just fine. But you see the ones who pass you. That's how-- reality-- works.
Interesting. What share of the population do you suppose they represent? 75 percent? 50 percent? 25? 10?
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@hardwaregeek said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@groaner said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
nationwide 55 MPH speed limits put in place decades ago that states had to enforce to receive federal funds? They've only been slowly dismantled over the years, as it's much more convenient to selectively enforce them than put up new signage.
No repro. At least some states raised the limit as soon as they were allowed to. Not all (Oregon ), but many.
I can think of several local roads and Interstates that still need to get the memo. This is one of a handful of areas where I'd name Texas as a bold innovator.
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@groaner I don't, of course, have reliable statistics, but I'd estimate that if I'm driving at what seems to be about the overall flow of (light) traffic, the number of cars that pass me outnumber the number of cars that I pass by somewhere between 2:1 and 5:1, depending on location and conditions. If the ratio is lower than that, it means traffic is heavy enough that there are a lot of people driving well under the limit.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
There's no official "threshold". You go 1mph over, you can get a ticket.
Better to not ever exceed the speed limit, then! Stick to 25 MPH and you're in the clear!
Obviously police have discretion and common sense. Is the ticket worth the hassle? Would they be able to defend it in court? etc.
Yes, most people are capable of dealing in nuance and shades of gray.
Some people think this is a Written In Stone Rule.
Nothing is written in stone. Everything is negotiable. We are Assassins.
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But officer, I was only going 9% over the limit! You can't ticket me unless I'm going 10% over, that's the threshold
Oh, thank you for confessing that you were speeding. I'll put that in my notes for the case, so I can bring it up in traffic court as needed.
What I meant to say is, I was ONLY going 5mph over. There are people going 10, 15, 20mph over, you should pull them over!
If there's a group of people speeding, I have to pick one to pull over. That's your luck. Also, hey, thanks again for confessing that you were speeding.
But I was only speeding to keep up with the flow of traffic!
No such concept or exception to the law. And once again, thanks for the confession.
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Good answer.Drive 25MPH everywhere so this conversation never has to take place!
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@dcon said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@groaner said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
due to construction that was going on a few years ago...
"ago"
Last time I was up in Santa Rosa was 2014, so I can't speak to the situation up there today. I was, however, able to sample 101 south of the city as recently as last night and found nothing that raised eyebrows.
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@xaade said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@groaner said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Why would speed traps be a concern?
Because they'll let trees cover up the sign that declares a lower speed limit, and you'll need a camera going at all times to prove it in court.
Google Maps shows the speed limit as well, and apps like Waze provide heads-ups about speed traps. If that information becomes out of date, well, I suppose it's a cost of doing business.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Huh? I can't find any reference to those. Did you mean these:
No, more like:
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@benjamin-hall said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
As a note, I once was driving about 10 over down a toll expressway here in Tampa.
You're speeding around an area that tourist frequent? I guess you really love paying "the tax".
@benjamin-hall said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
After several miles, a cop pulled in behind me, and a minute or two later blipped his siren.
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A couple miles down the road, the car to my right got out of the way enough, and the cop quickly sped up and passed me, going probably 20 over (with his lights and siren still off) to the next exit, where he exited.Yeah, I was told "go faster" by a cop. While I was going 10 over (75 in a 65 nominal, although no one ever does 65 down that road).
No, you were not told to "go faster". You were told "Hey buddy, I need to get past you. I'm not going to turn on my sirens and lights, because then you'll panic thinking I'm pulling you over. You'll probably panic so much that you'll try to stop, which is dangerous, or will smash into this barrier. I know you can't go faster, and I know you can't pull off. This is my message to you-- as soon as possible, get out of my way."
And then when you did, he sped off probably because he was responding to a call. But didn't have all his lights and sirens on because, again, it'd either send the wrong message to the cars he's following, or spook someone, or is under orders to arrive quietly on the scene (don't spook a hostage situation, etc).
No.
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@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@groaner said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@polygeekery said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Another thing of interest: isn't 35 mph tad too fast for a built-up area? These 5 mph are what often makes a difference between the hospital and the morgue.
Every state is different, but in my state most speed limits are set prima facie. They occasionally do road speed surveys, discard the top few percent of results as speeders and establish the speed limit as what most people drive on that road.
Sounds like a paradise. In the state I live in, the speed limits can be 10-20 MPH below what people actually drive, and the cops generally turn a blind eye. In an adjacent state, drivers do much the same, but the cops don't turn a blind eye because said state has "lower taxes."
Only if you have put of state plates.
Ha ha, that reminded me of something the late Mrs Cynic said. You know the trope in American TV and film, of the "speed trap town", where the cops have shiny new cars, helicopters, etc. in a town with about fifty people, and they pull over the protagonist for speeding, passing a parked-with-the-lights-flashing school bus that's obviously there to annoy people?
Well, it's a trope because it's real.
OK, maybe not the part about the corrupt sheriff being in cahoots with the protagonist's enemies, but the rest of it, sure. Mrs Cynic was born in El Paso, and spent her childhood in various parts of the American Desert South-West, with a brief stint in the late 60s in Berkeley(1) (which, granted, isn't in the ADSW, but I'm not trying to claim it is). And after making the passage to adulthood, she lived somewhere where the next town over was, indeed, one of those towns. The cops there generally ignored her because she was a local, but people from outside the area, and especially from out of state, were well advised to avoid the whole area.
Well, except that a major highway ran through the geographical jurisdiction of these cops, and there were endless disputes about whether the highway itself was in their jurisdiction. The state thought not, but the cops wanted the money they could make from catching people speeding on "their" bit of the highway.
(1) Yes, I married someone who had lived in Berkeley in 1968-9. She was in no way at all a hippy.
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@steve_the_cynic said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Well, it's a trope because it's real.
I know we're not in the garage, but do you 'murricans realize how corrupt and dysfunctional your police is?
Over here, when people complain of speed cameras being a trap to make money, they mean that the camera is not in a place with an obvious need to check speeds (e.g. not at the entrance of a town after a long straight in the countryside), or maybe that there are only 2 signs before it reminding you of the speed limit instead of tens of them, or maybe that the speed limit at the camera location is a tiny bit slower than the speed limit on the rest of the road.
But never that someone just thought they could make some easy dough on the back of non-locals and everyone just rolling with it.
I've now got a new classification of speed cameras:
- those with an easy justification for their location (don't fucking speed here, it's dangerous!)
- those with no clear justification but in a non-specifically annoying place (generally speaking, don't speed)
- those without any justification and that seem to be here to trick people who are not attentive (guess what, you should always be attentive when you drive, so it's still your fault if you get caught)
- those in the US (OK, those are traps in the sense of a D&D trap in a dungeon, I won't blame you if you get caught).
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@remi said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I know we're not in the garage, but do you 'murricans realize how corrupt and dysfunctional your police is?
Yes. Not at all.
(You speak in generalities, I speak in generalities.)
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@steve_the_cynic said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
The state thought not, but the cops wanted the money they could make from catching people speeding on "their" bit of the highway.
The way to deal with that is for the state to fine the cops (or whoever the receiver of those fines is) an amount that is a multiple greater than 1 of the income that is generated from that stretch of highway each year. The more they try to go against the state, the more it hurts them. And this would be something that could be entirely settled by state law, as counties and cities are strictly legally under the control of their containing state. The state could quite easily say that it is the sole organisation with responsibility for enforcing speed limits on state highways (and interstates) is a state-level organisation, not any local police department.
Of course, the real problem is the practice of setting speed limits at speeds that are substantially different from the actual safe speed of the road (which will depend on things like traffic levels, sight lines, bend curvature, common weather-related road-surface conditions, etc.)