Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!)
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FWIW, I think I would make an excellent autonomous car training model. Now if only I had a compatible external interface...
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@tsaukpaetra Dunning-Kruger much?
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@tsaukpaetra Dunning-Kruger much?
No, but I have a bigger model that's been trained for an order of magnitude or so more than theirs.
Edit: though I think the biggest efficiency gains are in the object permanence functionalities of the Stage, which makes piecewise asynchronous compartmentalized simulation of the scene much more performant than current methodologies...
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@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
105 SPEED LIMITER LAW. WATCH THE STUPIDITY. – 03:41
The real idiot is the person blaming the law for the way those trucks are driving.
"They've been driving side-by-side. They can't pass. It blocks up traffic."
Hey, fuck-face, if they're both doing the 105 speed limit, then there is NO FUCKING NEED TO PASS. Literally absolutely no need to pass. You only pass traffic moving SLOWER than the speed limit. If they're both doing the speed limit, then they should be one in front of the other.
These fucking morons are driving like idiots. If one had to pass, then the other should have squelched and slowed down by, like, 1 kmph, so the other can get ahead. But there's no need for the left-truck to have been in the lane he was in. There was no need to be passing. This isn't the law's fault. This isn't the limiter's fault. It's 100% the idiot driver.
Also, the guy taking the video is a fucking idiot, too:
- He's following too close. He should be at least 2 seconds behind. Looking at the video, he's, what, 0.5 seconds behind. Way to put everyone on the road in danger.
- He's breaking Ontario's laws about operating handheld devices while driving. This isn't dashcam footage. It's a hand-held (camcorder or his phone). He's holding it. Pointing it at the other trucks, zooming in and out, panning back and forth. And this isn't someone holding the camera while paying attention to the road. If it was, there'd be random drifting of the camera. This means he's paying attention to the camera and NOT THE FUCKING ROAD WHILE DRIVING A HUGE FUCK-OFF TRUCK AT 105KM/H. Asshole. Fucking asshole.
- Using the word "retarded" in 2018? Fuck you.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
He should be at least 2 seconds behind.
Literally nobody is ever 2 seconds behind unless you're going less than 6mph (10 kph), because any faster than that and you'd have a distance farther than 4.5 meters (15 feet), and almost any car will immediately zip right in.
2 seconds at 105kph is almost 60 meters. Do you know how many trucks you can reasonably fit in that space?
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
If they're both doing the speed limit, then they should be one in front of the other.
They are. And the third was trying to pass.
Call me dumb, but I think that allowing someone to pass you is a secret manliness test and none want to allow it willingly.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Call me dumb, but I think that allowing someone to pass you is a secret manliness test and none want to allow it willingly.
I like to let people pass me under the assumption that they might clear the road of speed traps ahead of me.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Hey, fuck-face, if they're both doing the 105 speed limit, then there is NO FUCKING NEED TO PASS.
Assuming every single truck in existence has the exact same error on speedometer. Which is not the case. Usually they show about 5-10% over actual speed - and if you have 2 trucks with speedometers from opposite ends of error margin, both capping themselves at their own perception of 105...
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Hey, fuck-face, if they're both doing the 105 speed limit, then there is NO FUCKING NEED TO PASS. Literally absolutely no need to pass. You only pass traffic moving SLOWER than the speed limit. If they're both doing the speed limit, then they should be one in front of the other.
There is even a reason not to drive side by side. By getting tucked in behind the first truck, you can save on fuel. Significantly so even. But hey, dicks gotta be measured!
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@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
He should be at least 2 seconds behind.
Literally nobody is ever 2 seconds behind unless you're going less than 6mph (10 kph), because any faster than that and you'd have a distance farther than 4.5 meters (15 feet), and almost any car will immediately zip right in.
Just because everybody is an idiot it doesn't mean you aren't.
2 seconds at 105kph is almost 60 meters. Do you know how many trucks you can reasonably fit in that space?
Reasonably? Zero. But I've yet to see a single reasonable truck driver. Whatever time they gain from sticking closer, they lose it in traffic jams when something goes wrong on the road and instead of one car crash, it's 15 because everybody's been tailgating.
Call me dumb, but I think that allowing someone to pass you is a secret manliness test and none want to allow it willingly.
You're dumb.
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@gąska said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Hey, fuck-face, if they're both doing the 105 speed limit, then there is NO FUCKING NEED TO PASS.
Assuming every single truck in existence has the exact same error on speedometer. Which is not the case. Usually they show about 5-10% over actual speed - and if you have 2 trucks with speedometers from opposite ends of error margin, both capping themselves at their own perception of 105...
If they're going at different speeds, then there's not an issue, because the faster one passes the slower one. The issue is where neither truck driver can go any faster than the other, but they're both huge dickheads who're neither one willing to slow down just a hair to let the other get in front, so that they're not blocking the whole road.
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@anotherusername you're right. Although if they really were going at the same speed, one would never catch up to the other. So there must be <1km/h difference in speed limiters. Also, truck drivers are more selfish than other drivers on average, and they have a very good reason to keep going as fast as possible - "time is money" is pretty much literal in their case.
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@gąska usually it seems that one truck goes slightly faster downhill and the other goes slightly faster uphill, but there are no inclines that last long enough for either of them to actually get all the way ahead and finish passing.
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@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I like to let people pass me under the assumption that they might clear the road of speed traps ahead of me.
Digital cameras mean that the reset time on those traps is really short.
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@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I like to let people pass me under the assumption that they might clear the road of speed traps ahead of me.
Digital cameras mean that the reset time on those traps is really short.
Fortunately we don't have those in my state any more so it's just actual human cops you have to look out for. And I don't think that even Maryland, which has a ton of speed cameras, has them on highways.
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@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
And I don't think that even Maryland, which has a ton of speed cameras, has them on highways.
We have lots of them on highways now, along with variable speed limits (to reduce congestion by getting the faster idiots to slow down, which is counterintuitive but seems to work).
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@dkf We have plenty of variable limits in NL, though I don't think we have speed cameras with them. They seem to basically indicate how fast the traffic ~100 meters ahead is actually going (50, 70, or 90 km/h). I suspect this works because it tells drivers that traffic ahead is moving slowly before this is otherwise obvious, giving them more time to slow down naturally.
The quickest way to turn near-congested morning traffic into a jam that will last till 9pm is one car braking hard.
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@pleegwat said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
They seem to basically indicate how fast the traffic ~100 meters ahead is actually going (50, 70, or 90 km/h).
We have these signs instead:
They do the job pretty well.
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@lolwhat We have those too, more for long-distance routing. The speed indications are of more short-distance use.
Normal time and traffic delay for two routes, approaching Breda on the A58 from the east, taking either the south/west or east/north routes to the interchange on the northwest of the city.
https://www.google.nl/maps/@51.6005242,4.8316149,11.5z
Red areas have heavy traffic on the given directions on the highways surrounding Arnhem, aproaching on the A348 from the north.
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@lolwhat said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@pleegwat said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
They seem to basically indicate how fast the traffic ~100 meters ahead is actually going (50, 70, or 90 km/h).
We have these signs instead:
They do the job pretty well.
Same, but ours doubles as the amber alert and whatever-color-alert boards too.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Same, but ours doubles as the amber alert and whatever-color-alert boards too.
We have those in addition.
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@lolwhat said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Same, but ours doubles as the amber alert and whatever-color-alert boards too.
We have those in addition.
Hah! We have them in multiplication too!
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@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
variable speed limits
We have those! Speed limit is 65mph. Speed is variable! Between 0 (when I want to drive) and 80 (oh-fucking-dark-thirty)
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@dcon Variable speed limits. Not just variable speeds.
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@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Variable speed limits. Not just variable speeds.
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Lest there was any doubt of negligence...
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@japonicus said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Lest there was any doubt of negligence...
Not to mention bad taste.
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@japonicus Funny because everybody was like "the cars were designed to have a crew of two and she was doing it solo, which meant she had a lot of work on her plate".
Yah and a lot of yodeling to listen to apparently.
EDIT: that said I kind of commiserate, because monitoring a self-driving car that already MOSTLY works has got to be a really, really boring job. If she could have been entertained by simply listening to the radio (or even the audio of The Voice when the phone in the back seat or something), I'd have more sympathy though.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
doubles as the amber alert and whatever-color-alert boards too
Although it does mean changing the bulb.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Literally nobody is ever 2 seconds behind unless you're going less than 6mph (10 kph), because any faster than that and you'd have a distance farther than 4.5 meters (15 feet), and almost any car will immediately zip right in.
Other people's bad behavior isn't an excuse for your own.
I drive at least two seconds behind. Even at 65. Because any closer and physics + reaction time means I won't be able to stop in an emergency (let alone having the visual sight line to see 30 seconds ahead). The space doesn't instantly get filled because most of those assjoles are weaving in and out of traffic at 75 in the left lane.
And if someone fill the gap and matches 65. You know what I do? Ease up ever so slightly on the gas and do 63 until I have widened the gap again to 2 seconds.
2 seconds at 105kph is almost 60 meters. Do you know how many trucks you can reasonably fit in that space?
Zero. Because jamming trucks together without sufficient braking distance is unreasonable, and gets people killed.
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@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I like to let people pass me under the assumption that they might clear the road of speed traps ahead of me.
Yes x1000000. I love it when "flushers" take point in the minefield.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I drive at least two seconds behind. Even at 65
Video or it didn't happen. This is literally impossible unless the roads are basically clear. In that case, you don't really need two whole seconds to emergency brake, do you?
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@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
This is literally impossible unless the roads are basically clear.
You're just used to driving far too aggressively for your own good.
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@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
You're just used to driving far too aggressively for your own good.
I'm only as aggressive as the next guy. Probably much less. When all the fish in the swarm are swimming one way, it's usually best to swim the same way.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
all the fish in the swarm
Fish are usually in schools or shoals. You're mixing them up with lions.
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@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
all the fish in the swarm
Fish are usually in schools or shoals. You're mixing them up with lions.
I'm currently having issues with my associations from corruption. Correction added to queue.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
And if someone fill the gap and matches 65. You know what I do? Ease up ever so slightly on the gas and do 63 until I have widened the gap again to 2 seconds.
If you try that around here, you'll just be forced to drive slower and slower until you're cited for obstructing traffic.
@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
2 seconds at 105kph is almost 60 meters.
An average car is a bit under 5 meters in length. That means ~12 cars can physically fit into that gap, and at least 15 will attempt to do so.
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@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
all the fish in the swarm
Fish are usually in schools or shoals. You're mixing them up with lions.
Just remember, a lion in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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@hardwaregeek said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
And if someone fill the gap and matches 65. You know what I do? Ease up ever so slightly on the gas and do 63 until I have widened the gap again to 2 seconds.
If you try that around here, you'll just be forced to drive slower and slower until you're cited for obstructing traffic.
We wish. Every one around them will just curse at them, swerve sharply in front, possibly tap (or press firmly) their brakes. These people also never travel in the slow lanes. (As a slow driver when towing, I can tell you that the far right lane is actually the easiest! Well, except for some assholes at the entrance ramps) The cops are too busy dealing with the accidents. I'd say "and carpool cheats" but I only see maybe 1 every 6 months get pulled over.
Traveling at 65 (on I-280, make that 75-80 even tho the limit is still 65) at 2-3 car lengths is ... unnerving. (Well, except on US101 thru Mountain View - because of Google, the speed never exceeds 20 there - except maybe around 2am)
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@dcon said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Traveling at 65 (on I-280, make that 75-80 even tho the limit is still 65) at 2-3 car lengths is ... unnerving
Hah, on AZ loop 101 the standard speed is 85, 75 during rush hour. Limit is 65. Typically no more than half a car length in between vehicles in batches.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
You're just used to driving far too aggressively for your own good.
I'm only as aggressive as the next guy. Probably much less. When all the fish in the swarm are swimming one way, it's usually best to swim the same way.
Incorrect.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Video or it didn't happen. T
Once I get my dash cam, sure
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@hardwaregeek said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
And if someone fill the gap and matches 65. You know what I do? Ease up ever so slightly on the gas and do 63 until I have widened the gap again to 2 seconds.
If you try that around here, you'll just be forced to drive slower and slower
I see that stupid argument so often, I have to answer even if it's an old-ish post. If you slow down to 63 and another car that zips into the space you've made, how fast do you think that other car is going? 63 or faster? If it's going 63, how did it go past you to get to the gap? If it's going faster (say, 65 like the first car that filled the gap and caused you to slow down to 63 in the first place), then you know what? You're already going slower than them and the gap that you created in the first place will create itself again.
Saying that you have to slow again and again to recreate the space is utter nonsense.
It does mean however that you're consistently driving a tiny bit slower than the rest of the traffic. Which is exactly what most lorries do and it works perfectly fine for them, so why not for you as well?
Going slower takes longer, of course, but do the maths, how long on your commute will you loose by going 63 instead of 65? (don't forget to count only your part of the commute where you are on the highway, it's the only part that'll change) I very much doubt that it will be more than a couple of minutes, and I'm ready to bet that this time will be slower than the natural variability in your commute's length (i.e. if you catch several red lights, or traffic is slightly slower that day, it'll take you even longer).
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@remi said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Going slower takes longer, of course, but do the maths, how long on your commute will you loose by going 63 instead of 65? (don't forget to count only your part of the commute where you are on the highway, it's the only part that'll change) I very much doubt that it will be more than a couple of minutes, and I'm ready to bet that this time will be slower than the natural variability in your commute's length (i.e. if you catch several red lights, or traffic is slightly slower that day, it'll take you even longer).
They once did an experiment where they had two people drive from Munich to Flensburg (roughly 950 km). One of them was to drive as fast as possible, the other one was to take a more leisurely pace (i.e. sticking to 120 km/h whenever possible).
Time differential between the two upon arrival? 10 minutes. The speeding one had consumed 50% more gas, though.
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@rhywden Interesting. Would you have a link to something that discusses the experiment in depth?
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@rhywden At a much less rigorous scale, I do the same experiment from time to time on my daily commute, not always entirely voluntarily, and I get to the same results.
Some days I'm not in a very good mood or in a hurry or whatever and I drive much more aggressively than other (and those days are usually those where I will keep a closer eye on the clock so I would notice if I went faster overall!) and that never gets me home (or at work) significantly faster than when I drive more leisurely.
Don't ask me why I still do it, I'm just human...
Also, over here the speed limit on secondary roads was just recently lowered from 90 kph to 80 kph (about 55 mph to 50 mph, for you heathens with the wrong units) and even though a significant part of my commute is on such roads, in practice it doesn't make the trip any slower.
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@lolwhat said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@rhywden Interesting. Would you have a link to something that discusses the experiment in depth?
Currently searching for it. It also was rather anecdotal, though. Then again, real-life conditions on our highways rarely allow you to drive above 130 km/h constantly. You get the odd stretch of 5 or 10 km where you can do that. Only to be forced down to 100 km/h or lower for a similarly long stretch, either due to speed limits or the sheer amount of traffic.
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@lolwhat said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@rhywden Interesting. Would you have a link to something that discusses the experiment in depth?
It was carried out by professors A. Esop, H. Are, and T. Ortoise.
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@remi said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Saying that you have to slow again and again to recreate the space is utter nonsense.
Ah, meant to come back to the thread to point that out. Thanks!
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@remi said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
It does mean however that you're consistently driving a tiny bit slower than the rest of the traffic. Which is exactly what most lorries do and it works perfectly fine for them, so why not for you as well?
The problem with this - most people do not do this in the slow lane. When one car is driving slower than the flow of traffic, it creates a huge backup behind that person as all the other cars brake sharply and try to veer around them. Which causes a ripple effect. I see this every morning.