Targeted advertising fail
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@laoc said in Targeted advertising fail:
Pesky regulators are trying to keep lawyers from innovating again
(TLDR: Personal injury law firms are picking up devices located in ERs, and using that to target the owners with ads for a month or more afterwards, across all their devices)
From the article:
Still, patients don’t seem pleased with the strategy.
Wow, really? Who would have thought it.
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Status: No, YouTube, I don't really want to watch videos I just watched. Not everything has to be put on repeat!
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@tsaukpaetra
#GenTeleTubbie
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@izzion said in Targeted advertising fail:
@tsaukpaetra
#GenTeleTubbie
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@tsaukpaetra One of the features that made Teletubbies so much fun to sit through with the little ones was that in every episode, one particular fairly long segment is repeated immediately. So "that thing you just watched? Let's watch it again!" does apply.
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@scarlet_manuka said in Targeted advertising fail:
@tsaukpaetra One of the features that made Teletubbies so much fun to sit through with the little ones was that in every episode, one particular fairly long segment is repeated immediately. So "that thing you just watched? Let's watch it again!" does apply.
Oohhhhh! Right, now I get it.
Goddammit now I have "again! Again!" echoing in my head.
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@tsaukpaetra Thank you SO much, I had managed to repress that particular piece until now.
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@scarlet_manuka said in Targeted advertising fail:
@tsaukpaetra Thank you SO much, I had managed to repress that particular piece until now.
Your own fault.
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@tsaukpaetra Hmmm... I'm pretty sure it's @izzion's fault.
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@scarlet_manuka said in Targeted advertising fail:
@tsaukpaetra Hmmm... I'm pretty sure it's @izzion's fault.
Oh. Right you are!
Ten points from @izzion's house for attempted mind control!
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http://www.asiaone.com/asia/japanese-company-uses-armpit-advertising-one-competition
Dang...oneboxes aren't good at images these days:
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I feel bad for the armpit fetishists. They'll be asking "where's the ad-free version?"
—Trevor Noah
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This is an instance of targeted and devious advertising.
I got ads for DigitalOcean for about a month everywhere I went online. My God! Some days there were nothing but DigitalOcean ads on the internet, and all of them went "Try out DigitalOcean with 100$ in free credits."
I gave in finally today, signed up for an account and I did not get the free fucking credits. What the fuck.
EDIT: Reponse from Support
Thanks for reaching out to DigitalOcean!
Unfortunately it doesn't appear that this account would have qualified for the $100 in credit, as we've discussed. The link for that trial offer is available on social media and various places on the web and must be used to create the account. We're not able to give out this promotion directly. The link stores the information on a cookie which, when applied we can see on our end and if necessary - add the credit manually if we can see record of the referral path and it only happens with new accounts, where such a referral path can be set for the first time. In the case of this account another type of referrer URL was used. If you wish, after you destroy the droplets, and deactivate this account, I would suggest clearing your cookies, and signing up again through the promotional link. I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
If there is anything else we can do or if you have any other questions, please feel free to let us know.
My Bad.
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@chozang said in Targeted advertising fail:
@hungrier said in Targeted advertising fail:
A real sucker
You're thinking of the breast-pump ad.
That's not for breasts?
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One of these things is not like the others...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Targeted advertising fail:
One of these things is not like the others...
Have you watched GameBalls?
Because it's amazing.
Edit: You're gonna want to have closed captions turned on or you'll miss out on half of the jokes.
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@Scarlet_Manuka said in Targeted advertising fail:
@laoc said in Targeted advertising fail:
Pesky regulators are trying to keep lawyers from innovating again
(TLDR: Personal injury law firms are picking up devices located in ERs, and using that to target the owners with ads for a month or more afterwards, across all their devices)
Sometimes
truththe US really is stranger than fiction.
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@boomzilla said in Targeted advertising fail:
uh...
are they targeting Nazis who are going back to school?
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@boomzilla said in Targeted advertising fail:
IsDoes the manufacturer call that beer?Did we have a similar photo here last year?
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@dcon speaking of. During my time in USA, I've set up a bank account. To get better terms, I've set up student account, as I was a student in Polish college at the time (well, I still am). Ever since, I've been receiving at least one email per month with special offers of student loans to cover my college tuition. Even though my college costs me zero.
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@Gąska Even better than that is getting scholarships. If your education costs you zero then the scholarships are free spending money. Source: a friend
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@Gurth said in Targeted advertising fail:
Why does he know that you Googled for a juicer? Does Mark Zuckerberg own Google now?
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@ben_lubar One of the links he clicked had a facebook
tracking pixellike button?
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@PleegWat said in Targeted advertising fail:
@ben_lubar One of the links he clicked had a facebook
tracking pixellike button?And the advertisers on Facebook are okay with their ads being shown to the least likely person to act on them?
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@ben_lubar Oh, I agree with the sentiment. It happens often enough though.
Mostly I get the impression it's driven by the online shops themselves: If I've searched on amazon.com, but ended up buying with bol.com, amazon.com will then start pushing advertisements my way for the product I've been searching for. It's less common for the shop to advertise products I bought with them; usually it's a different shop that does the advertising.
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@PleegWat said in Targeted advertising fail:
@ben_lubar Oh, I agree with the sentiment. It happens often enough though.
Mostly I get the impression it's driven by the online shops themselves: If I've searched on amazon.com, but ended up buying with bol.com, amazon.com will then start pushing advertisements my way for the product I've been searching for. It's less common for the shop to advertise products I bought with them; usually it's a different shop that does the advertising.
Imagine if you go to Amazon, search for a specific model of CPU, and then buy that specific model of CPU from Amazon.
Now Amazon is showing you ads for CPUs just in case you want to throw another one in the case - because that's totally how CPUs work, right?
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@ben_lubar But does the part of Amazon that shows you the adds (who only knows you by an anonymized advertising identifier) have access to the sales side (who knows what you bought)? That seems like a large privacy issue if so.
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@Gąska said in Targeted advertising fail:
Ever since, I've been receiving at least one email per month with special offers of student loans to cover my college tuition. Even though my college costs me zero.
I just got a call (which I sent to voicemail and listened to it there) the other day about how my college loan processor was out of compliance or something and I needed to call these guys to get everything straightened out. I've never had a college loan, so that's kind of interesting (my wife had a few but they were paid back a long time ago). I was tempted to call them back just for kicks.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Targeted advertising fail:
@ben_lubar But does the part of Amazon that shows you the adds (who only knows you by an anonymized advertising identifier) have access to the sales side (who knows what you bought)? That seems like a large privacy issue if so.
My Amazon ads do show me an estimated sales value in dollars. But it doesn't seem accurate; sometimes it shows spikes that I cannot correlate with my actual sales and other times it shows me sales amounts that are not integer multiples of the product price or royalty amount (with or without tax).
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@mott555 said in Targeted advertising fail:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Targeted advertising fail:
@ben_lubar But does the part of Amazon that shows you the adds (who only knows you by an anonymized advertising identifier) have access to the sales side (who knows what you bought)? That seems like a large privacy issue if so.
My Amazon ads do show me an estimated sales value in dollars. But it doesn't seem accurate; sometimes it shows spikes that I cannot correlate with my actual sales and other times it shows me sales amounts that are not integer multiples of the product price or royalty amount (with or without tax).
That's the answer to "how many times has this product sold (and when, and for how much)". It's all aggregate data with no identifying marks
That's very different (in my eyes) than "what has person with advertising ID <GUID> bought and when?" This is what'd be needed to avoid the "just bought that" problem upthread.
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@Benjamin-Hall So you're saying it's "a large privacy issue" for the advertising division of Amazon to have access to the information from Amazon about what you bought, but not for them to have access to the information about what you looked at buying?
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@masonwheeler said in Targeted advertising fail:
@Benjamin-Hall So you're saying it's "a large privacy issue" for the advertising division of Amazon to have access to the information from Amazon about what you bought, but not for them to have access to the information about what you looked at buying?
The ad department has information to answer:
Advertising ID <GUID> looked at <product>.
It should not have information about:
- The person behind <GUID> (which is what the sales side has)
- Purchases made by the person behind <GUID>
etc.
If they can say "he bought this", then they know exactly who you are. That needs to stay cabined in the ecommerce/account portion. Because account information is private, while ad information is aggregate/public(ish).
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Targeted advertising fail:
It should not have information about:
- The person behind <GUID> (which is what the sales side has)
- Purchases made by the person behind <GUID>
etc.
I don't see why they would need to.
If they can say "he bought this", then they know exactly who you are.
Nope. Assuming your "cabin" model, they can simply send a query to the account cabin and say "of this list of products, which did this GUID end up purchasing?" and update their advertising data accordingly, with no knowledge of your concrete identity.
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@masonwheeler but then there's a concrete tie between advertising id and an identity. Which is a privacy issue, as those IDs are spread around promiscuously and are supposed to be anonymous.
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@boomzilla said in Targeted advertising fail:
I just got a call (which I sent to voicemail and listened to it there) the other day about how my college loan processor was out of compliance or something and I needed to call these guys to get everything straightened out.
I get those sometimes with "there's a problem with my credit card". The few times I've picked up I just asked them "well then you surely can name which bank my credit card is with" and of course they cannot.
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@blakeyrat said in Targeted advertising fail:
@boomzilla said in Targeted advertising fail:
I just got a call (which I sent to voicemail and listened to it there) the other day about how my college loan processor was out of compliance or something and I needed to call these guys to get everything straightened out.
I get those sometimes with "there's a problem with my credit card". The few times I've picked up I just asked them "well then you surely can name which bank my credit card is with" and of course they cannot.
Your computer, which you are using right now, is sending information to us, Microsoft, that indicate that it's infected with a virus! Now do the needful and let me control your computer remotely.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Targeted advertising fail:
@masonwheeler but then there's a concrete tie between advertising id and an identity. Which is a privacy issue, as those IDs are spread around promiscuously and are supposed to be anonymous.
As long as the correlation stays 100% within Amazon I don't see the problem.
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@mikehurley My issue is that Amazon receives (and thus has to transmit) the information from lots of other sites using 3rd party cookies. If there's a hard link between an account and an advertising ID, then it can't stay 100% within Amazon.
Plus, it gets a lot easier for an insider threat to misuse that data. Instead of just the Accounts people knowing, now the advertising people can know. And that feels icky.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Targeted advertising fail:
@mikehurley My issue is that Amazon receives (and thus has to transmit) the information from lots of other sites using 3rd party cookies. If there's a hard link between an account and an advertising ID, then it can't stay 100% within Amazon.
Plus, it gets a lot easier for an insider threat to misuse that data. Instead of just the Accounts people knowing, now the advertising people can know. And that feels icky.
Who said anything about 3rd parties? At the very least they could make it so Amazon doesn't spam me for ads for something I literally just bought.
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@ben_lubar said in Targeted advertising fail:
Why does he know that you Googled for a juicer?
I wouldn’t be overly surprised if he (read: Facebook) did, to be honest.
Does Mark Zuckerberg own Google now?
They’re all the same, aren’t they?
As a serious answer: I suspect the comic used him instead of one of those Google guys (what are their names again?) because he’s much more recognisable to the average newspaper reader.
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@ben_lubar said in Targeted advertising fail:
Why does he know that you Googled for a juicer?
If it was a Juicero…
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I've been seeing this a lot on Facebook. I hope it belongs in this thread:
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@boomzilla said in Targeted advertising fail:
I hope it belongs in this thread:
The odds are pretty high that you'll need either cremation or burial eventually.
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I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even five hundred would be pretty nice.
-- CEO Nwabudike Morgan, Morganlink 3D-Vision Interview
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@masonwheeler said in Targeted advertising fail:
I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even five hundred would be pretty nice.
-- CEO Nwabudike Morgan, Morganlink 3D-Vision Interview
Get off my land, you peace keeping son-of-a