WTF Bites
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As someone who likes caffeine I should probably go for green tea's big 40mg instead of black tea's little 40mg.
And no fucking way I'll drink the "fruit tea" they're seeking to promote with this chart!
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@laoc Wait a second -- that chart is trying to promote the low-caffeine fruity tea? Because from here it looks like a good reason to stick to coffee. (Not that I really need another reason if the choice is between anything and fruit tea.)
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@topspin The titlebar, as you drag the window to the side to ignore it.
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Fuck modern software brainworms.
So, being on MilwaukeePC, I need to disable all the auto-updating on my computer until I got a fast and stable connection again. One of those is Geforce Experience which auto-downloads driver updates. The process as it should be:
- Open Geforce Experience.
- Go to settings.
- Disable automatic download of driver updates.
The experience of Geforce however is this:
- Open Geforce Experience.
- Wait for it to load because it's apparently a webapp and needs to contend with itself hogging all the bandwidth for the driver download.
- Have the entire app disabled because you need to login with your Geforce account to do anything in it.
- Login with your Geforce account, because it apparently had forgot your login status as well as the ticking of the "Keep me logged in" box from last time.
- After being logged in, go to settings and disable automatic download of driver updates.
Fuck the Geforce experience. Makes me start looking at AMD because their software doesn't seem to be made by complete retards and lets you do everything without needing a special account to do so.
Fun fact, the above process also applies to Skype for Windows 7 where if you had it installed and want to disable it autostarting on boot you need to log in with your Skype account for that setting to be available in the options. Why the fuck is that setting tied to your account and not available with the settings that are available without needing to log in?
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- Wait for it to load because it's apparently a webapp and needs to contend with itself hogging all the bandwidth for the driver download.
So these people can write a low-level driver but not a native app, so they write some web shit based on 80 abstraction frameworks? Par for the course, I guess.
- Have the entire app disabled because you need to login with your Geforce account to do anything in it.
Holy shit, you need an account to manage your own hardware? That is literally insane.
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Fuck modern software brainworms.
Fun fact, the above process also applies to Skype for Windows 7 where if you had it installed and want to disable it autostarting on boot you need to log in with your Skype account for that setting to be available in the options. Why the fuck is that setting tied to your account and not available with the settings that are available without needing to log in?
Because they want to force people to get a skype account to get rid of that annoying piece of shitty nag/spyware?
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@laoc Wait a second -- that chart is trying to promote the low-caffeine fruity tea?
Indeed. TRWTF.
Because from here it looks like a good reason to stick to coffee. (Not that I really need another reason if the choice is between anything and fruit tea.)
+1
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So the people who can write a low-level driver are already more expensive than what the managers would like, so instead of hiring someone with the expertise to make a native app, they hire a cheap code monkey who will write some web shit based on 80 abstraction frameworks? Par for the course, I guess. </slightly edited for clarification>
Yes, exactly.
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Holy shit, you need an account to manage your own hardware? That is literally insane.
Not for managing the hardware, no. That's what the Nvidia Control Panel is for. Geforce Experience is a separate app for managing game graphics profiles and loading optimized settings as well as Nvidia Shield connection and such. Nothing critical, but as I had the automatic driver download turned on in it I also needed to go into it to disable that feature.
Fun fact: having an account was optional in Geforce Experience 2.x, but was made mandatory with 3.0. Even though most of the features don't need an account. Load optimized profiles? Yeah, that's just downloading the settings from Nvidia and applying them. Something that existed back in the XP days and was done though the aforementioned Nvidia Control Panel then iirc.
Also, if memory serves me correctly, Geforce Experience runs on NodeJS, for those who want to know the chief abstraction framework.
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Fun fact: having an account was optional in Geforce Experience 2.x, but was made mandatory with 3.0.
Yeah, I uninstalled that garbage after that update. I don't play new games anyways so having the latest driver isn't a big deal for me
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Geforce Experience runs on NodeJS
- take a language designed to run in a browser (on your desktop)
- create a webpage server with it (Node.JS)
- take it to create desktop apps that are a glorified browser
The circle of hell is now completed
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@timebandit said in WTF Bites:
Geforce Experience runs on NodeJS
- take a language designed to run in a browser (on your desktop)
- create a webpage server with it (Node.JS)
- take it to create desktop apps that are a glorified browser
The circle of hell is now completed
Fun fact: one time I uttered the sentence "oh no my login session to my GPU timed out so I can't update the driver unless I reset my password" in a context where it made sense.
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@ben_lubar There is no context in which that statement would make sense. It might be true, but it still wouldn't make sense.
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@hardwaregeek said in WTF Bites:
@ben_lubar There is no context in which that statement would make sense. It might be true, but it still wouldn't make sense.
There exists a context where it makes sense, but the existence of that context does not make sense.
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Holy shit, you need an account to manage your own hardware? That is literally insane.
Only if you install GeForce experience. I don't and therefore do not have this problem.
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@tsaukpaetra Geforce experience was a pretty annoying piece of software even before they started with the login crap. I got rid of it as well, though I don't think I've bothered doing a driver update since.
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@tsaukpaetra Geforce experience was a pretty annoying piece of software even before they started with the login crap. I got rid of it as well, though I don't think I've bothered doing a driver update since.
I was reminded of its existence when Oculus decided to be weird and fuck itself randomly due to older drivers. Fucking Oculus...
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@timebandit said in WTF Bites:
@tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
Fucking Oculus...
Honestly, you should try the real thing
Yeah... But Besti is in active development after all, just because it's one guy though makes progress somewhat slow...
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@ben_lubar said in WTF Bites:
@hardwaregeek said in WTF Bites:
@ben_lubar There is no context in which that statement would make sense. It might be true, but it still wouldn't make sense.
There exists a context where it makes sense, but the existence of that context does not make sense.
There exists a context where it parses as a valid and true statement, but it still does not make sense.
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@anotherusername said in WTF Bites:
@ben_lubar said in WTF Bites:
@hardwaregeek said in WTF Bites:
@ben_lubar There is no context in which that statement would make sense. It might be true, but it still wouldn't make sense.
There exists a context where it makes sense, but the existence of that context does not make sense.
There exists a context where it parses as a valid and true statement, but it still does not make sense.
As a Dwarf Fortress player, I am well-versed in things that make sense in a context that should not exist.
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still happening at https://slashdot.org/story/18/02/28/1725238/end-of-flash-its-usage-among-chrome-users-has-declined-from-80-in-2014-to-under-8-as-of-early-2018 at the time of this post
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This could explain it
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Good job Microsoft, breaking yet another redirect. Now, typing
microsoft.seinto the browser used to give you the swedish Microsoft site as expected. However...
As you can see, the URL you get redirected to gives a 404. I used to language picker to manually select the language and...
So instead of country name it's the locale. Good job fucking up redirecting to the MAIN PAGE OF YOUR SITE. It's not like that one is any important, right?
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Makes me start looking at AMD because their software doesn't seem to be made by complete retards
I suspect that's a false impression…
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@dkf Dunno if it's a real thing, saw it on reddit
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Good job Microsoft, breaking yet another redirect. Now, typing
microsoft.seinto the browser used to give you the swedish Microsoft site as expected. However...As you can see, the URL you get redirected to gives a 404. I used to language picker to manually select the language and...
So instead of country name it's the locale. Good job fucking up redirecting to the MAIN PAGE OF YOUR SITE. It's not like that one is any important, right?
Don't bother complaining. By the time you posted this, they've probably changed URLs on their site another 3 times already.
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@sockpuppet7 said in WTF Bites:
Dunno if it's a real thing
Looks like it was made at least once, for the photograph…
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Makes me start looking at AMD because their software doesn't seem to be made by complete retards
I suspect that's a false impression…
It's been pretty great in my experience, very simple control panel app with all the features you want.
Only issue I've found is that if explorer.exe gets killed for whatever reason, it doesn't put back the tray icon in the system tray while other apps do. Also sometimes the tray icon just doesn't respond. But the actual app itself works great. Although, even so it could still be made by complete retards, I have no idea. It just seems better than what people complain about with NVidia.
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Even if the situation is pretty dire (I don't know), that "article" sounds like a lot of bullshit rambling.
Hurr durr, this is illegal, that is fraud and against the law...
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that "article" sounds like a lot of bullshit rambling
What part of it is "bullshit"?
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that "article" sounds like a lot of bullshit rambling
What part of it is "bullshit"?
The part where people pay for healthcare.
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that "article" sounds like a lot of bullshit rambling
What part of it is "bullshit"?
Pretty much all of it. Her numbers are made up, she doesn't know what a "monopoly" as per her precious 15 USC Chapter 1 is, and she obviously ("They know that 9 out of 10, or more, of the people employed in "health care" never provide a single second of care to a single person during their entire career. They are all overhead, [...]") thinks doctors should spend their time looking for files, making appointments and doing insurance paperwork.
"Revolt or Mass Death" -- yeah right. But talk of climate change is fearmongering.
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Her numbers are made up
He isn't a "she."
she doesn't know what a "monopoly" as per her precious 15 USC Chapter 1 is
So what is it?
she obviously ("They know that 9 out of 10, or more, of the people employed in "health care" never provide a single second of care to a single person during their entire career. They are all overhead, [...]") thinks doctors should spend their time looking for files, making appointments and doing insurance paperwork
Nice straw man you got there. And what's the ratio of productive people to non-productive people in other industries that cater to individuals? And what percentage of GDP does the medical industry take from the U.S. economy, vs. what it was ten-twenty-thirty years ago?
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@sockpuppet7 I'm highly conflicted on this...
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Although, even so it could still be made by complete retards, I have no idea. It just seems better than what people complain about with NVidia.
My impression is that NVidia have slightly better hardware and drivers, but the rest of their stuff is a garbage fire. AMD sometimes really make me wonder about what they're doing with their drivers, but I guess it is less troublesome than it used to be; their front end code is bloated, but at least it isn't purely an Electron app!
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So what is it?
Not what you have in health insurance in the US. You've got more of an oligopoly, but even there it's unclear what's going on (and the oligopoly might be something enforced in local markets only). I still want to know where all that money going into the heath sector winds up (major money flows only) as with that much money going in, it really should be possible to see where it ends up. Who is getting the profit from it?
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Sushi pizza?
Since it appears to be cooked, I might consider eating it. I don't do raw meat, not even fish meat.
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@hardwaregeek said in WTF Bites:
I don't do raw meat, not even fish meat.
Wise in the US, at least unless you've got some serious food hygiene control in the specific location. (I know a sushi place that's worth patronising in Houston, and another one near DC…)
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Although, even so it could still be made by complete retards, I have no idea. It just seems better than what people complain about with NVidia.
My impression is that NVidia have slightly better hardware and drivers, but the rest of their stuff is a garbage fire. AMD sometimes really make me wonder about what they're doing with their drivers, but I guess it is less troublesome than it used to be; their front end code is bloated, but at least it isn't purely an Electron app!
Back in the day, I used to use a graphics-intensive program, basically CAD. The first question when the program crashed was, "Have you tried
turning it off and onNvidia? Because that fixed 99% of the crashes. (Edit: Also, Nvidia gave much better performance. AMD —
or rather ATI at the time — rendered OpenGL (badly) in software, but Nvidia had hardware accelleration for it.)Eventually, the dev worked with AMD driver people and added a bunch of work-arounds for their buggy drivers. I understand it's now about as stable on AMD as Nvidia, but I don't have direct experience; I haven't used any recent version, and I don't use AMD.
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@hardwaregeek It's really impressive how bad some hardware drivers for OpenGL are in general.
I have an application doing some simple, almost trivial, OpenGL stuff. It's showing all kinds of glitches on different platforms, like Windows on Intel Hardware, Linux thin clients (no idea what crappy graphics hardware powers them), VMs (so a VMWare driver?), swrast under Linux, etc. Works fine under others, on Windows/Linux/Mac.I usually tend to assume I'm doing something wrong first, but in this case everything points to shitty OpenGL support.
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Although, even so it could still be made by complete retards, I have no idea. It just seems better than what people complain about with NVidia.
My impression is that NVidia have slightly better hardware and drivers, but the rest of their stuff is a garbage fire. AMD sometimes really make me wonder about what they're doing with their drivers, but I guess it is less troublesome than it used to be; their front end code is bloated, but at least it isn't purely an Electron app!
I've used both AMD and Nvidia in my computer. Both have been working equally well in their main duty (rendering computer game graphics). What I can say is that AMD seems to be pretty good at Linux support, even having ported the Catalyst Control Center to Linux back in the day and nowadays having open sourced most of their drivers so they can be included by default, only keeping some advanced functionality in their optional Pro driver package. Meanwhile, Nvidia does the minimal effort porting and I suppose it does work, but without any access to any useful control panel or the like.
For when I was playing around with vfio I noticed that using an AMD card for vfio it worked really well, but using an Nvidia card just gave me a bunch of headaches because Nvidia blocks running their mainstream cards in vfio at the driver level, despite saying that they are not blocking it when asked, leading to all sorts of fun workarounds.
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I still want to know where all that money going into the heath sector winds up (major money flows only) as with that much money going in, it really should be possible to see where it ends up. Who is getting the profit from it?
Just because there's a lot of money going into the sector doesn't necessarily mean that there will be an above-average profit. The extra revenue could enable companies to be less careful than average about expenses.
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@hardwaregeek said in WTF Bites:
AMD — or rather ATI at the time — rendered OpenGL (badly) in software, but Nvidia had hardware accelleration for it.
Rumor says that the ATI OpenGL team was pretty much 2-3 people at one point. Or maybe it was the Linux team? Either way, during the ATI days (and early AMD days, I guess), there was DirectX on Windows, and everything else was secondary (and apparently little code was shared between the Windows and Linux drivers). NVIDIA had at that point already feature parity between the Windows and Linux drivers and has been maintaining that for the most part to this day.
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I usually tend to assume I'm doing something wrong first, but in this case everything points to shitty OpenGL support.
TBF OpenGL has about a brazillion ways of doing each individual thing, with some of them dating back all the way to like the 17th century when GL first came about. They've finally started deprecating some of the old stuff, but most of it is added back via extensions and the compatibility profiles. (And NVIDIA is notoriously relaxed about accepting old-style OGL.)
In addition, the information you get online (via tutorials and so on) is mostly crap too. It's either very legacy/deprecated, flat out wrong, or (most likely) flat out wrong in a deprecated manner.
I once went over a bunch of online tutorials looking for one to suggest to some students. It was terrible; but I kinda finally figured out why my then-colleague with 5+ years of OpenGL experience on the CV didn't know how to setup/use a VAO properly. Not his fault, really. :-/
(Not that academic courses at universities are much better. But that's a rant for a different day.)
Edit: I mean there are also like 500 different OpenGL standards that you need to consider, and that's before you get into the world of extensions. Also: Apple are dicks, and a large part of the reason why you can't just stick to the newest standard if you care about portability.
