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@HannibalRex said in Enlightened:
The only clue I have is that in the file manager settings, there is a "Device Mode" field, and instead of saying "HAL" or "Udisks2" or one of the libraries I told it to use for this, it says 'RASTER'. Hmm, what the hell is "RASTER" mode? Did I mention I was quite new to all this? I have only recently learned about Ext4, and swap, and NTFS, so I literally have no idea if "RASTER" mode is a thing.
You noob. Obviously, this means your device was mounted without support for vector graphics, so it defaulted to raster (pixel) mode instead of SVG. RTFM!
@HannibalRex said in Enlightened:
Compiling and setting up an entire desktop environment turns out to be slightllllly more involved than implied by the
make && make install
instructions.Famous last words.
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@HannibalRex said in Enlightened:
But of course, Debian Stable is Debian Stable, and nothing released in the last decade is in the repos, much less this E17 thing.
I have a feeling the Debian maintainers were trying to tell you something.
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@topspin said in Enlightened:
Obviously, this means your device was mounted without support for vector graphics, so it defaulted to raster (pixel) mode instead of SVG. RTFM!
Somehow still more plausible than what it actually meant.
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@Deadfast It took a few more instances, but I finally learned that if it isn't at least in Testing, I probably don't need it.
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@HannibalRex said in Enlightened:
and how some are better options for low-powered laptops
I personally gravitate towards LXDE and XFCE4 for low power devices that nevertheless want a desktop environment. they're quirky, sure, but they get the job done and they're in debian stable so they're jsut an apt-get install (and some configuration fiddling to select them as the default desktop environment)
@HannibalRex said in Enlightened:
10,000 years later it is compiled and set up
Kudos! it's not so easy to do something like that on linux (why? no idea) especially on an ATOM core with limited RAM. woo!
@HannibalRex said in Enlightened:
"WTF are you talking about"
oofh..... and from the project founder to boot....... yikes..... my condolences
@HannibalRex said in Enlightened:
Yes, I agree, there is something wrong with me.
eeeeeh..... that just means you'll fit in here.
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@HannibalRex said in Enlightened:
it is finally the year of the Linux desktop!!
Welcome to the world of Linux! Everything is possible, but nobody is able to do that...
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@Vixen said in Enlightened:
@HannibalRex said in Enlightened:
and how some are better options for low-powered laptops
I personally gravitate towards LXDE and XFCE4 for low power devices that nevertheless want a desktop environment.
I liked twm back in the day (with a custom control binding set because the defaults were retarded). It was thought to be a bit bloated for it's time, but that time was over 25 years ago...
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@dkf said in Enlightened:
@Vixen said in Enlightened:
@HannibalRex said in Enlightened:
and how some are better options for low-powered laptops
I personally gravitate towards LXDE and XFCE4 for low power devices that nevertheless want a desktop environment.
I liked twm back in the day (with a custom control binding set because the defaults were retarded). It was thought to be a bit bloated for it's time, but that time was over 25 years ago...
TWM is charming i will admit, but i found it rather.... restrictive to use.
though that may have been, as you say, the fault of the default bindings....
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@Vixen said in Enlightened:
oofh..... and from the project founder to boot....... yikes..... my condolences
To be fair, I think his response owed mostly to the fact that someone had decided to name a "device mode" after him, not tell him apparently, and now people are emailing the list about it. In his position, I might have responded similarly.
eeeeeh..... that just means you'll fit in here.
I don't chime in too often as I'm not truly a professional, software/programming is just kind of a necessary evil in my line of work (academia), and I don't have the depth that a lot of others here have. But I enjoy the company of others who look at such things and think "WTF, this can't be right". I wonder if anyone can see my "time spent lurking" stats...
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@HannibalRex said in Enlightened:
I don't chime in too often as I'm not truly a professional, software/programming is just kind of a necessary evil
That pretty much describes working with software development...
But that aside, not knowing never stopped anyone from posting here before.
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@Carnage said in Enlightened:
not knowing never stopped anyone from posting here before
Especially in the Garage.
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@HannibalRex said in Enlightened:
I don't chime in too often as I'm not truly a professional, software/programming is just kind of a necessary evil in my line of work (academia), and I don't have the depth that a lot of others here have.
I know I must be a professional, as I'm paid to do this stuff. Guess I ought to act like a pro from time to time too...
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@dkf said in Enlightened:
I know I must be a professional, as I'm paid to do this stuff. Guess I ought to act like a pro from time to time too...
I am sometimes shipping buggy code and ignoring user requests, does that count as acting like a pro?
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@Gąska I just typed
make |& less
because the output overflowed the scrollback buffer. I have no idea what you're talking about.
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@topspin I like to pipe a copy to a file. In case of errors, it's easier to search (and read) with Notepad++ or equivalent.
...Which propably says more about my minimal command line chaps than anything else.
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@topspin I always have unlimited scrollback enabled (when the terminal has that option, of course, but that's one of my criteria when picking a different terminal application). Despite having several terminals open, sometimes for several weeks between reboots, with very lengthy compilation outputs (probably like you) repeated many times, this has never made a visible dent in the computer's memory, and it's quite helpful in cases like yours.
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@remi Mine's set to 10k lines. That's not a limit I've ever really ran into, and I do have some tools that can generate hundreds of megabytes of trace.
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@TwelveBaud said in Enlightened:
– Company love controlBecause that's a good reason to select a UI package! </sarc>
I suspect that's the actual reason Samsung chose EFL. Everything else (the supposed memory usage benefits etc) is just a distraction. The company loves the idea that they have complete creative control over the project, and the fact they didn't even have to pay that much to get it (compared to -say- buying Trolltech aka the QT company). It's how most hardware manufacturers think: Acquire it and we'll iterate over it! Especially Samsung, which started off their electronics division by acquiring a black-and-white TV set manufacturer. Too bad this approach doesn't work for software where bad designs tend to stick (and changing them requires a complete redesign and lots of effort).
Anyway, it seems Tizen is here to stay. It's still found in Samsung TVs and apparently it's going in Automotive Grade Linux (so, EFL is now "automotive grade"? Okay...), so I hope EFL has gotten a bit better since this WTF was posted.
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@kurkosdr of course it's here to stay. Anything else means Samsung admitting bad decisions, and no Korean will ever admit to that.
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Security for smart TVs, Samsung style.
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Does this mean the TV is acting as an access point? Because it sounds like the TV is acting as an access point.
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@Atazhaia The IoS thread is
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@TimeBandit It's always hard to know where to place these overlapping tidbits. Do I put it in the thread for "smart" devices, or in the thread for Samsung trying to make their devices "smart", which is always a very special kind of the S in IoS.
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@Atazhaia said in Enlightened:
in the thread for Samsung trying to make their devices "smart", which is always a very special kind of the S in IoS
It's no coincidence Samsung rhymes with "shit".
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@Atazhaia said in Enlightened:
Security for smart TVs, Samsung style.
Thank you for confirming my decision to buy "anything but Samsung" when I bought a TV a couple of weeks ago. I would have preferred to avoid anything "smart," but unfortunately, largish 4k TVs are not available without it.
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@HardwareGeek I considered that next time I'll buy a monitor instead of TV, since I use it as one for the device actually decoding the IPTV anyway. But for some reason TVs tend to be cheaper (they obviously have the same display and a bit more of electronics than a plain monitor).
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@Bulb Yeah, 40+ inch monitors are crazy expensive compared to the same size TVs — $900+ (and not even 4k) compared to $200.
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@HardwareGeek If only I could force my TV to turn on on appearance of HDMI signal like a monitor does, but it does not seem to have that option.
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@HardwareGeek I found some not-that-crazy expensive in the local store where I normally buy electronics, but the TVs are still cheaper.
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@Bulb said in Enlightened:
@HardwareGeek If only I could force my TV to turn on on appearance of HDMI signal like a monitor does, but it does not seem to have that option.
HDMI CEC is supposed to allow this.
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@Zerosquare My (non-smart) TV can do that, and I've been able to turn it on by turning on my PS3/4. However, I've also got a weird, complicated setup with an old audio receiver and HDMI hub with Toslink audio output, and the PS4 doesn't play nicely with that unless everything else is turned on before the console
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Does this now count as a megatopic? We've definitely got enough replies.
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@Zerosquare said in Enlightened:
@Bulb said in Enlightened:
@HardwareGeek If only I could force my TV to turn on on appearance of HDMI signal like a monitor does, but it does not seem to have that option.
HDMI CEC is supposed to allow this.
It was discovered in another thread about a month ago that graphics cards do not CEC over HDMI. They just don't. Manufacturer's don't consider that a selling point worth the effort.
This has implications when you have to connect a computer to a TV. But nothing else. Monitors apparently just sniff for signal.
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@acrow I think there are complexities with implementing CEC with PC's. The standard has a lot more than simply turning on and off devices.
What does a PC do when it receives a pause signal? And also, do you want your PC to shut down when you turn off the TV?
In reality, this would basically have to be off by default and programmed specifically for each use case, which is something most people don't care about/wouldn't bother with.
I think you can get some CEC adapters that basically expose the CEC commands through a USB interface.
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@Harris_Mirza Well, it was also discovered that the only universally compatible CEC commands are those for turning the TV on and off. Closely followed by Volume Up/Down. The rest, not so much.
Those are also the only commands the make sense for computer usage. That is, the computer turning the TV (or monitor) on/off. And controlling the computer's volume via TV's remote.
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@Harris_Mirza said in Enlightened:
I think you can get some CEC adapters that basically expose the CEC commands through a USB interface.
Check the other thread that @acrow mentioned (a Help thread started by myself with some witty (I wish...) pun in the title). I did found one such gizmo, and when I searched a bit it apparently is the one and only one that exists (by no coincidence, it's made by the same guys who have written a "libcec" in Linux). It costs around UBR 30, I think, but I haven't tried it.
I still think that it's retarded that NVidia (and other graphic cards manufacturers) don't support CEC. You wouldn't need to support each and every feature of it (clearly all devices don't, since you can drive very different ones so they each only support whatever features is relevant to them!), but having "PC on -> TV on", plus an option to have "TV off -> PC off" would make sense. Basic commands such as "sound increase/decrease" or "mute" could be easily turned into XF86Media keys or the Windows equivalent. (edit: I was basically 'd by @acrow on that!)
Anyway, it just isn't the case.
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@Bulb said in Enlightened:
@HardwareGeek If only I could force my TV to turn on on appearance of HDMI signal like a monitor does, but it does not seem to have that option.
Mine does this, and will also automatically switch to the new HDMI source. The only problem is that it won't do both, so if the TV is off and I don't know where its remote is (or can't be bothered to find it) I need to turn on my satellite box on to get the TV on, then off and on again to switch it to the HDMI source
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@Harris_Mirza said in Enlightened:
And also, do you want your PC to shut down when you turn off the TV?
Let's reboot and install updates
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When you wish that both sides could lose...
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@boomzilla said in Enlightened:
When you wish that both sides could lose...
Me about governments vs Facebook.
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I ran across this project first as a series of design documents, so for 2 decades I've been working out how to summarize the ethos of Enlightenment UI.
And have done so:
But actually, because reasons
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@SlackerD said in Enlightened:
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The EFL is currently undergoing a significant redesign to give a better developer experience when building apps using our platform. We will be announcing the new API shortly to get early feedback from developers but for now we recommend using the stable API and its Bindings.
Somehow I doubt that it will be a better developer experience.
It still says that.
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@Watson said in Enlightened:
@SlackerD said in Enlightened:
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The EFL is currently undergoing a significant redesign to give a better developer experience when building apps using our platform. We will be announcing the new API shortly to get early feedback from developers but for now we recommend using the stable API and its Bindings.
Somehow I doubt that it will be a better developer experience.
It still says that.
Living on the Edje!
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Years later EFL still delivers the same comedic value
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@Cedric is a strange name for a Korean.
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@Cedric said in Enlightened:
No, we didn't, but we were the first to apply it to a 2D toolkit.
Horseshit. Scene graphs don't happen except as part of a 2D toolkit.
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@NeighborhoodButcher said in Enlightened:
Qt guy finished in 3 days; OSX guy finished in 3.5 days; efl guy gave up after 2 weeks.
Proving, EFL programmers are t3h b3st3r357