I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android
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@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
I'm also not a big fan of having to use an arcane process that you need to put together by browsing xda-developers and pray that you won't do this one crazy thing that can result in bricking your phone that everyone knows about so they don't bother to mention it in how-tos, but that you don't know because you're not a crazy person who spends most of their time reading forum threads.
And this is the only way to avoid this whole bloatware shit.And if you're talking about root/unlock...
If you get a good phone, unlocking and rooting isn't very hard and is very hard to screw up that badly. Type a command, sideload a recovery, sideload SuperSu, boom. If you manage to hard-brick... I'd be impressed.
Of course, that's not the only way to avoid bloatware. The other, better option, is to buy a Nexus, or Pixel, or OnePlus. A developer-friendly, vanilla device with no, or almost no bloatware.
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@sloosecannon said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
namely Chrome, where back acts as the browser's back button.
And they got rid of the fucking back button in the menu, leaving exactly zero indication of whether pressing back will:
a) go back
b) close the current tab
c) exit Chrome but leave the tab open and there when you next go into it.Single worst thing about mobile Chrome
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@sloosecannon said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@cartman82 said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
On Android, after a while, you just assume Back is always there and it will do the right thing. And you are almost always right
QFT. The only apps that don't do the Right Thing are ones developed and supported by Neanderthals.
Hey, quit it! People from Holland are exactly the same as you or me. There's no reason to single them out. In fact, it's kinda racist!
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@sloosecannon said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
The only apps that don't do the Right Thing are ones developed and supported by Neanderthals
IME, it's usually the quickest and laziest iOS ports, that just treat back as "Close the app".
On the subject of quick and lazy iOS ports, the Android Facebook app is pretty terrible. The amount of times I've accidentally dismissed a comment thread because swiping down at the top dismisses the whole thing is too damn high. They also ignore the Android convention of double tap + drag to zoom a picture without pinching
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@Jaloopa i don't use Facebook, bit I hear their iOS app is pretty awful.
The latest thing seems to be that swiping down pops up camera which then posts to "my day" or something like that Facebook section. (I don't know details, so probably I got the naming wrong, again: not a Facebook user).
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@kt_ oh yeah, they've added that in the Android one too (swiping right from the main screen IIRC) in their latest attempt to push users into using a new feature they seem to have added purely because some other app has it, rather than seeing if there's any actual appetite for it among the users (see also: facebook live. At least they've stopped sending a notification any time anybody is using it, unless all my friends have just stopped using it now)
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@Jaloopa The more I learn about mobile Chrome the happier I am that I'm using mobile Firefox. The Chrome team seemingly has some sort of amazing set of brainworms of the kind that @end has. And sadly, other browser devs look at Chrome and think that what they do is good and the way forward. Remember, just because they're the largest and most popular doesn't mean that what they're doing is any good!
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@Atazhaia said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Remember, just because they're the largest and most popular doesn't mean that what they're doing is any good!
It's odd, isn't it? When IE6 was the most popular browser, Firefox was made to beat it. But now Chrome's the most popular browser, Firefox is becoming a clone of it.
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@blakeyrat said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
I tried an iPhone, discarded that for Android, discarded that for a Windows Phone which I loved.
That was my story as well. My girlfriend's friend bought a 3G, tried it for a month, hated it, and gave it to my girlfriend, who then did the same and gave it to me.
I mainly played Plants vs Zombies on it as its phone functions were without question the worst I had ever experienced.
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@RaceProUK said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
But now Chrome's the most popular browser, Firefox is becoming a clone of it.
And it annoys me greatly. I want Firefox to be Firefox. If it goes full Chrome clone there will be zero reasons to use it instead of Chrome.
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@Jaloopa said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
the Android Facebook app is pretty terrible
Navigation is fucking horrid too. And since I usually click notifications, which take you deep into the thread, it takes me forever to find the home page where I can write a status. I basically treat my phone's facebook as read-only.
And why are there like three apps? Facebook, Messenger, and I'm told I should be using a separate app to manage my pages.
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@Yamikuronue said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
And why are there like three apps? Facebook, Messenger, and I'm told I should be using a separate app to manage my pages.
Another good question is why there's a separate website just for the Facebook Messenger, that has additional functionality not present and/or working if accessed through Facebook.
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@Atazhaia And who wanted Messenger to handle their SMS? Mine decides I have unread messages whenever I get an SMS, even if I read it in my SMS app.
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@Yamikuronue And why does the main Facebook app take up half a gigabyte? I've had to move it to my SD card, which makes it ridiculously slow because I have a cheap crappy SD card. On the plus side, that makes me less likely to use the bloody thing
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@Jaloopa Maybe it's built with Xamarin? That tends to bloat APKs quite a bit if you're not careful.
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@RaceProUK 147 MB in the app, 215 of data. (and 100 odd of cache before I cleared it)
And yet it still fails to open an image or comment thread I had open a couple of minutes ago
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@RaceProUK it's React Native. Which was built by Facebook originally.
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@Arantor I thought only FB Messenger was written with React, not the FB app itself?
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@Grunnen from https://facebook.github.io/react-native/
It's also easy to build part of your app in React Native, and part of your app using native code directly - that's how the Facebook app works.
They don't say how much native there is, but at least part is React Native.
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@Jaloopa said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
And they got rid of the fucking back button in the menu, leaving exactly zero indication of whether pressing back will:
a) go back
b) close the current tab
c) exit Chrome but leave the tab open and there when you next go into it.a.
Unless you're on the new tab screen, in which case it's c.
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@sloosecannon unless you've come from a link in a different app, in which case it may be b or c depending on factors I haven't worked out
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@Jaloopa said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@sloosecannon unless you've come from a link in a different app, in which case it may be b or c depending on factors I haven't worked out
IME it's B and C as the tab closes when you return to baconreader. the only exception i've noticed there is if you navigate in that tab for long enough that chrome forgets that you opened the tab from an external app but not long enough that it forgets what the app is, then back all the way back to the external app, but that's like 20 pages deep and at that point i'd open up the app switcher to get back to baconreader.
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@accalia said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
baconreader
I'm hungry now.
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@Yamikuronue said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
I basically treat my phone's facebook as read-only.
I just use chrome.
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@Yamikuronue the Facebook app listens to you even when you aren't using it. Just use the built in browser as you have to give the permissions to use the mic in a web browser.
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Finally, my iPhone 6 came back. Wait, scratch that. It didn't come back, I got a new one for like $35.
I will never seize to be amazed how well this phone was designed. It's a whole new level of excellence in design (although sure, probably iPhone 7 is even better).
Also, I got it back without the protecting glass for screen. Last time I got it already with this shit, which completely distorted how beautiful the front looks. I love the delicate curves, it's really exceptional how the glass looks against the metal in the places they come together.
I also can't get enough of iOS, after having to use this shitty Android for so long. Two weeks seems like eternity.
Sure, I'm not that happy that iPhones are so awesome that I'm ultimately locked in, as in I can't buy another phone because there are no other with good OS's. But I won't complain as long as they keep on delivering, I can't see these guys going off the rails anytime soon. It's been since quite a few years since Steve died (I didn't even use Apple hardware back when he was alive, I started with iOS 7 -- sure, it was still iPhone 4S).
One thing that came off it is I'm moving all of my stuff to
SkyOneDrive, it's much better than Dropbox plus pricing is much better. Basically, for the same price as 1 TB with Dropbox I get 1 TB with OneDrive + Office 2016 for 5 users. It's a no-brainer.This has been an educational experience. I hated it, but after all I'm glad I had to endure it.
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@kt_ said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
But the way the buttons are in my phone are Sony's issue, not Google's.
Funny you should say that, as I have a Nexus 5x from Google, which does the exact same thing and puts the power and volume buttons right next to each other. The camera also sticks out of the body, so I have to use a case lest the lens gets scratched.
I know LG is the one that made it, but I think this serves as more evidence for my belief that Google is only good at search and videos. And the search is getting worse and worse these days!
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@blakeyrat said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Note that Windows Phone was designed by the same team that designed Zune, another extremely great device that people laughed out of business.
Have you tried copying stuff from a PC to a zune? The sync software was just as buggy and garbage as iTunes.
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Ok, here's another great thing about this whole affair.
So as I said, I got my iPhone 6 replaced for $35 bucks. That's because I had it insured and I got it as a payment plan from the phone company.
Now, if this phone breaks I they won't just replace it, but they'll let me buy a new phone for a discounted price, the usual for the kind of plan I have. This means I can buy an iPhone 7 for like $450. It's a steal, since it costs like $800 new.
I did the math and it turns out that I can get 2 iPhone 6s and an iPhone 7 for a total of less than 1400 bucks (including how much I paid for the 6, initial payment plus installments, the total for the second 6, the insurance and what is have to pay for the 7). I'd have to pay $2000 for this kind of combo otherwise, so it's $600 I get to keep. It's a shame that this provider doesn't offer insurance anymore for the new plans; completely understandable, on the other hand.
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@kt_ Just out of curiosity, how much did the insurance cost?
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@masonwheeler said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@kt_ Just out of curiosity, how much did the insurance cost?
20 PLN a month, so 480 PLN total. Around 130 bucks, using the current exchange rates.
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@masonwheeler another thing to take into account is, this is all consumption. It's not like they're gonna give me any of the phones I turn in back so I can sell any of these, or to use them as a backup in the future. So this means I'd spent all this money for phones that I'll use in total for around 3-4 years. It might still be a lot for some people.
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@Jaloopa said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@Yamikuronue And why does the main Facebook app take up half a gigabyte? I've had to move it to my SD card, which makes it ridiculously slow because I have a cheap crappy SD card. On the plus side, that makes me less likely to use the bloody thing
I can't find it now, but I saw an article once about Facebook's coding philosophy, "move fast and break things", translating into their apps lacking any kind of design and the programmers just throwing dozens of large libraries and widget toolkits into it because they needed some small part of them once.
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@powerlord said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Slash
Did I really type Slash here instead of Flash and Blakey somehow didn't lose his shit over that, or is some moderator being funny?
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@bb36e said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Funny you should say that, as I have a Nexus 5x from Google, which does the exact same thing and puts the power and volume buttons right next to each other. The camera also sticks out of the body, so I have to use a case lest the lens gets scratched.
That's weird, I have a Nexus 5 and it has none of those problems. Guess they just had an attack of stupid.
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@heterodox yeah the 5 was better in that regard. The lens still stuck out a tiny bit, but at least there was a bit of an indent to keep it safe
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@bb36e said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Have you tried copying stuff from a PC to a zune? The sync software was just as buggy and garbage as iTunes.
All the time. I used mine mostly as a video player, and I have like 20 episodes of MST3K on it at one point. Worked flawlessly. Could play MP4 video for like 4-5 hours before the battery drained. Thing was awesome.
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@blakeyrat maybe they fucked it up before I started using it. All I remember is it being completely unresponsive at times, and not being able to copy videos to mine because the software thought my player was out of space.
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@kt_ the iphone screenshots looked as ugly as any other email app for me.
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@wharrgarbl said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
@kt_ the iphone screenshots looked as ugly as any other email app for me.
You're a funny guy, haha.
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@powerlord said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Did I really type Slash here instead of Flash and Blakey somehow didn't lose his shit over that
WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SLASHES NOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FLASH NOT SEPARATOR CHARACTERS
GOD THIS FORUM IS ALWAYS CHANGING SUBJECTS. GO MAKE YOUR OWN TOPIC
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@powerlord said in I've been wronged. A tale of being forced to use Android:
Did I really type Slash here instead of Flash and Blakey somehow didn't lose his shit over that, or is some moderator being funny?
instead of
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