Proposal: Topic Tax
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Proposal: Your reputation will decrease by one hundred every time you make a new topic and will increase by one every time someone replies to it.
I think we've had topics be free long enough!
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@CreatedToDislikeThis said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
Proposal: Your reputation will decrease by one hundred every time you make a new topic and will increase by one every time someone replies to it.
I think we've had topics be free long enough!
cue @end accidentally programming it so that you get a decrease to your reputation of -100 for every topic you create thereby creating an incentive to create as many topics as possible.
In all seriouslness though, shouldn't this be based on how long it's been since you made a topic? Like shouldn't my first topic ever be practically free, and a topic created a week or more after my last one should only be like three or four points? and of course it should keep going up exponentially, like a topic created seconds after i created another topic should be worth... i dunno a thousand rep? decreasing from there to 100 by about an hour or so.... i mean otherwise there never is an incentive to actually create new threads, and without new threads the economy will stagnate.
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Yeah! China has been manipulating the market for too long! They must be forced to pay for flooding WTDWTF with cheap topics! We have to-
Wait, what? China's going to help us with North Korea?
Never mind, China's cool now.
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@CreatedToDislikeThis
Prediction: This will not be the most ridiculous tax proposal this year.
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Hey, if it will keep certain people from spamming up the topic list with One Posts and attempts to abuse the [[screwy templates]] bug, I'm all for it...
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@masonwheeler Given topic titles are no longer parsed by the translator, I don't see there being many more created.
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Proposal: take away certain people's thread creation privileges.
Whether or not this is permanent would be at the mods' discretion
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@accalia said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
cue @end accidentally programming it so that you get a decrease to your reputation of -100 for every topic you create thereby creating an incentive to create as many topics as possible.
What are you even talking about. We all know that if @end had programmed this idea, it would be a -100 on page responsiveness for every topic... for every user.
Filed Under: Then we'd have created the official topic-thread /t/1000
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@masonwheeler said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
Hey, if it will keep certain people from spamming up the topic list with One Posts and attempts to abuse the [[screwy templates]] bug, I'm all for it...
Most people have enough reputation to keep going for a long time.
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@loopback0 said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
Most people have enough reputation to keep going for a long time.
Easy fix: Let reputation decay exponentially, like Launchpad karma.
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@accalia said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
shouldn't my first topic ever be practically free
On the contrary, that benefits spammers.
First topic should cost $5.
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@asdf said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
@loopback0 said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
Most people have enough reputation to keep going for a long time.
Easy fix: Let reputation decay exponentially, like
Launchpad karmaradioactivity.Real-life-exampled TFY
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@anonymous234 said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
@accalia said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
shouldn't my first topic ever be practically free
On the contrary, that benefits spammers.
First topic should cost $5.
isn't that how somethingawful works? it costs a couple of bucks to create your first post, then you're good until you get banned for rasins, then you need to pay again to create a new account..... or is that a different forum?
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@masonwheeler said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
Hey, if it will keep certain people from spamming up the topic list with One Posts and attempts to abuse the [[screwy templates]] bug, I'm all for it...
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Eh...that was kind of the point of the category, so I'd suggest ignoring that category if it's causing problems.
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@boomzilla
The bigger for me during that segment was all the testing of things that needed replies, so those went into Sandbox instead of One Post. Which it sounds like way too much work to ignore the Sandbox and then unignore the Likes Thread :PIs there some way we can revert the One Post behavior to Discostandard of one hour where you can reply to threads in that category, without having to resort to console CSS hacks or MOD ABUSE!, and then keep all future "we're testing forum brokenness" in that
concentration campcategory?
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It'd probably be easier to create a new "Semi-hidden" category like the sandbox is and move the likes thread there.
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@izzion said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
Is there some way we can revert the One Post behavior to Discostandard
Yes, there is a way.
@izzion said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
Which it sounds like way too much work to ignore the Sandbox and then unignore the Likes Thread
No one is making you do any of that.
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@CreatedToDislikeThis said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
It'd probably be easier to create a new "Semi-hidden" category like the sandbox is and move the likes thread there.
For whom?
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@CreatedToDislikeThis said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
It'd probably be easier to create a new "Semi-hidden" category like the sandbox is and move the likes thread there.
Or keep the Likes thread in Sandbox and make a new category
Sandbox_real
for other board breaking experiments.
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@masonwheeler [[global:judo.chop]]
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@CreatedToDislikeThis But smaller topics are desirable.
I don't like that I open the Uber rant topic to find that it's all about cyclists being assholes.
Or open the funny stuff thread and find it's about cyclists being assholes.
Why don't you cyclists create a thread just for cyclists, like a bicycle lane do for streets?
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@wharrgarbl said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
@CreatedToDislikeThis But smaller topics are desirable.
I don't like that I open the Uber rant topic to find that it's all about cyclists being assholes.
Or open the funny stuff thread and find it's about cyclists being assholes.
Why don't you cyclists create a thread just for cyclists, like a bicycle lane do for streets?
If only there was some sort of tool that allowed you to request a moderator deal with that...
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@loopback0 said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
If only there was some sort of tool that allowed you to request a moderator deal with that...
:noose:
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Addendum to the proposal:
Topic Tax can vary per category. For example, we might want fewer topics in the Garage, and more topics in Games or General.
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@abarker What's the tax rate if a topic gets moved?
Also if a topic gets split, who pays the topic tax on the new topic? The admin/moderator who split it?
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Is the tax re-applied if you make a thread, it gets replies, but all the replies are split off into a new topic?
E: Also is it re-applied if the only reply is deleted?
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@loopback0 said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
@abarker What's the tax rate if a topic gets moved?
If a topic gets moved, then the tax for the new location gets payed to the staffer doing the work. You end up paying more for putting it in the wrong topic, and the staffer has incentive to work. ;)
@loopback0 said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
Also if a topic gets split, who pays the topic tax on the new topic? The admin/moderator who split it?
For a split? Hmm, the cost of the split would be assigned to the new OP. 50% paid to the staffer.
That reminds me, NodeBB forking should allow you to select the category to fork to. Right now, it automatically defaults to the same category as the source topic. That would need to be fixed or the forked OP would get double dinged.
@coderpatsy said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
Is the tax re-applied if you make a thread, it gets replies, but all the replies are split off into a new topic?
Nah, not your fault that the replies got forked off. Of course, if you're the OP of the new topic as well, then you have to pay that tax, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. At least it balances out then.
@coderpatsy said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
E: Also is it re-applied if the only reply is deleted?
I think it shouldn't, as it's not fair to be held accountable for an @fbmac in your thread. But I also think that post deletions shouldn't be free. Maybe the price should be directly related to the number of posts you have deleted, and inversely related to the time since your last deletion.
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@wharrgarbl said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
@CreatedToDislikeThis But smaller topics are desirable.
I don't like that I open the Uber rant topic to find that it's all about cyclists being assholes.
Or open the funny stuff thread and find it's about cyclists being assholes.
Why don't you cyclists create a thread just for cyclists, like a bicycle lane do for streets?
Because cyclist are assholes, clearly
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@abarker said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
Addendum to the proposal:
Topic Tax can vary per category. For example, we might want fewer topics in the Garage, and more topics in Games or General.
Nah, the tax should be lower in garbage categories, and higher in categories where serious discussion is supposed to take place. That's what the garbage categories are for, and a lot of people are ignoring them, anyway.
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If the likes thread is what is keeping people from ignoring sandbox I suggest @mods to move it to Meta. This way everyone gets happy.
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@wharrgarbl No.
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@boomzilla Your reasoning isn't obvious. Isn't it just a 3 click work?
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@wharrgarbl Four.
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I object, in principle, to such a tax, for a number of reasons which I shall later elaborate on below.
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The tax as proposed will adversely affect those minorities which have a cultural propensity to shorter topics. Such a tax will suppress the diversity of representation within WTDWTF, possibly even driving the affected minorities into transient online ghettos within the front page comments. The fact that such a step has even been proposed shows how little cultural understanding and diversity is present in the more vocal parts of our population.
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The bureaucracy inherent in the proposed tax system vastly exceeds the benefit it provides. A better system would be to incentivise an initial wave of downvotes so that new topics naturally lead to a loss of reputation. We need to solve the underlying problem, i.e. people enjoying new threads, rather than artifically distort the macro-scale reputation metric.
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If my account is hacked or otherwise compromised through no fault of my own, a malicious party could create many unpopular topics for which I will be unfairly penalised. There must be a presumption of innonence before reputation-damaging charges are applied, and the topic tax should not be permitted unless an authorised agent of WTDWTF is present to observe that I, personally, created the offending topics.
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OK, fine, I'll stop now.
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@clatter said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
The tax as proposed will adversely affect those minorities which have a cultural propensity to shorter topics. Such a tax will suppress the diversity of representation within WTDWTF, possibly even driving the affected minorities into transient online ghettos within the front page comments. The fact that such a step has even been proposed shows how little cultural understanding and diversity is present in the more vocal parts of our population.
We're all for oppressing minorities, so that's as designed
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@wharrgarbl said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
@boomzilla Your reasoning isn't obvious. Isn't it just a 3 click work?
You're asking @boomzilla to do work.
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@CreatedToDislikeThis said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
Proposal: Your reputation will decrease
Seriously, does anyone care that much about his reputation that this would have any impact??
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@remi not the way it currently works. But put a cost on posting and limit upvote/day and you're up to something.
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@wharrgarbl said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
But put a cost on posting and limit upvote/day and you're up to something.
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@boomzilla like android games with annoying energy systems design to frustrate you into buying more energy with real money
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@wharrgarbl said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
@remi not the way it currently works. But put a cost on posting and limit
upvotedelete/day and you're up to something.
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@wharrgarbl
Sounds like a great way to pay the server bills.USD$1 to start a topic
USD$3 to downboat a post
USD$10 to delete a post
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@RaceProUK
Well, obviously, like all such taxes, our esteemed forum representatives (the mods/admins) will write the law implementing them so that they themselves and theircampaign donorsdearest friends are exempted. ;)Ok, ok, the is
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@izzion Big Mafia has effective lobbyists
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@izzion I thought the mods said they were gonna make Mexico pay for it?
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@wharrgarbl said in Proposal: Topic Tax:
@remi not the way it currently works. But put a cost on posting and limit upvote/day and you're up to something.
That wouldn't do anything unless you also prohibit going into negative rep (or at least prohibit "spending" rep to create threads when negative). In other words, if you turn the rep into some kind of currency, in which case it's no longer a rep (i.e. how much other users like/respect/... what you post), but forum pointzz or whatever.
(and also, that is the falling into the trap of believing that human relations can be improved purely through a technical solution. That doesn't work when trying to remove swear words, that also doesn't work for other stuff. The whole premise of is wrong, the medium only has a very small impact on the quality of the discussions, compared to the impact of the community itself.)