Nintendo does it again
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Remember how people (including me) have complained for a while that Nintendo unnecessarily ties digital purchases to a single console?
Well, they've taken the idea even further now:
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/56537/nintendo-switch-game-saves-cant-backed-up/index.html
https://www.destructoid.com/it-s-impossible-to-transfer-or-backup-nintendo-switch-game-saves-422136.phtml
They're probably afraid of hackers, since save games are the main source of exploits and they have no fucking clue how to do encryption securely.
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…and now I'm out of applicable meme images.
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@anonymous234
I expect that their online services will have some kind of automatic backup, then. Everything else would be completely unacceptable, which they probably know.
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@asdf said in Nintendo does it again:
@anonymous234
I expect that their online services will have some kind of automatic backup, then. Everything else would be completely unacceptable, which they probably know.... but will they care? It's not as if they weren't in the habit of doing braindead things...
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@RaceProUK said in Nintendo does it again:
…and now I'm out of applicable meme images.
I offer you this:
(and if you've not seen the film it's from, rent Tropic Thunder today!)
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What a courageous move!
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Aaaaaand today's news is ... not new. There's plenty of Wii games that don't let you back up the saves on to SD cards. And the Wii U's use of external disks is ... distressing. Once used on a particular Wii U, an external disk is tied to that Wii U, and the data on it cannot be recovered on a different Wii U. (Yes, you can untie the disk, and tie it to a new Wii U, but that nukes the contents.)
So the new thing here is that it's all the games, perhaps. (But that's already the case on Wii U, sort of.)
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Nintendo does it again:
There's plenty of Wii games that don't let you back up the saves on to SD cards.
Same applies to some PS3/PS4/360/XBO games. But at least in those instances, it's up to the developer, not the console maker. Witht eh Switch, it's Nintendo imposing this condition on all developers.
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@RaceProUK PSP! PSP! PSP! PSP!
Sure, the cards it used were strange but it is still possible to find USB readers that support them.
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@aliceif Gesundheit.
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@RaceProUK said in Nintendo does it again:
…and now I'm out of applicable meme images.
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@aliceif I think I have a card reader which does.
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@aliceif said in Nintendo does it again:
PSP! PSP! PSP! PSP!
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@aliceif said in Nintendo does it again:
Sure, the cards it used were strange
Memory Stick? It's pretty standard; I don't think I've seen any multi-format card reader that didn't support it.
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@hungrier said in Nintendo does it again:
Memory Stick? It's pretty standard
But seldom seen on devices not branded 'Sony' (multi-format card readers excepted).
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Nintendo said: “Small numbers of stuck or dead pixels are a characteristic of LCD screens. These are normal and should not be considered a defect.”
Nintendo, rearrange these letters: OFUFKFC.
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@RaceProUK To be fair, not a single hardware vendor takes back screens because of dead pixels.
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@asdf I remember back when dead pixels were more common, vendors would take back screens where the dead pixels were in the middle of the screen. The closer to the edge though, the less likely they'd take it back.
Thing is though, at the end of the day, it's statutory rights. If the item is not fit for purpose, the retailer is legally obliged to exchange or refund the full amount, so long as the return is made within 28 days*.
*This applies to the UK; YMMV, IANAL, etc.
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@RaceProUK said in Nintendo does it again:
Thing is though, at the end of the day, it's statutory rights. If the item is not fit for purpose, the retailer is legally obliged to exchange or refund the full amount, so long as the return is made within 28 days*.
Dead pixels do not count as severe defects under German law. There have been multiple verdicts on that.
(BTW: In Germany it's 6 months, not 28 days, during which you can return an item without having to prove that the defect was the manufacturer's/seller's fault.)
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@asdf said in Nintendo does it again:
@RaceProUK said in Nintendo does it again:
Thing is though, at the end of the day, it's statutory rights. If the item is not fit for purpose, the retailer is legally obliged to exchange or refund the full amount, so long as the return is made within 28 days*.
Dead pixels do not count as severe defects under German law. There have been multiple verdicts on that.
(BTW: In Germany it's 6 months, not 28 days, during which you can return without having to prove it was the manufacturer's fault.)
Have there? I couldn't find any. I only found ISO 9241-307 which does define an upper limit. Although the number of defects is not exactly small...
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@Rhywden said in Nintendo does it again:
Have there? I couldn't find any.
Too lazy to google right now, but I think I read about a verdict from a higher court (LG or OLG) on Udo Vetter's blog.
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@lucas1 Slowpoke :P
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@asdf said in Nintendo does it again:
@Rhywden said in Nintendo does it again:
Have there? I couldn't find any.
Too lazy to google right now, but I think I read about a verdict from a higher court (LG or OLG) on Udo Vetter's blog.
Then it probably was just one or two dead pixels. For 1080p you'd need 5 dead pixels (or 11 subpixels) to run afoul of the ISO standard the producers themselves tout as their quality mark.
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@Rhywden Yeah, that sounds sensible. I mean, an industry standard is a pretty strong legal argument, as it reflects a consensus among domain experts.
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@asdf I literally only just saw it on the Guardian.
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@asdf It's also another reason to buy such things online :)
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@lucas1 The dock on its own is selling for $90...
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@lucas1 That is 12 minutes of pure epic fail.
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@RaceProUK said in Nintendo does it again:
so long as the return is made within 28 days
That depends on the product. The law in question uses the term “reasonable”, and court decisions tend to expect that something costing £10 be not as durable as something costing £1000.
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@dkf said in Nintendo does it again:
something costing £10
To be honest, at that price, I'd not bother with returning it, and just write it off as a small loss.
@dkf said in Nintendo does it again:
something costing £1000
That price however, I will camp in the store until I get my money
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@lucas1 said in Nintendo does it again:
[video about switch launch]
Or... .they could have just made their games into apps for my tablet.
Cause, I haven't had any of those problems with my tablet.
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@asdf said in Nintendo does it again:
@RaceProUK To be fair, not a single hardware vendor takes back screens because of dead pixels.
Fake edit: nice URL title attempt
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@pydsigner I stand corrected. Only seems to apply to the most expensive monitors, though, and it's a manufacturer's warranty, so you have to deal with them directly. Usually, you try to avoid that here in the EU; the mandatory retailer guarantee is much more convenient.
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@asdf said in Nintendo does it again:
@pydsigner I stand corrected. Only seems to apply to the most expensive monitors, though, and it's a manufacturer's warranty, so you have to deal with them directly. Usually, you try to avoid that here in the EU; the mandatory retailer guarantee is much more convenient.
It applies to all screens, you just get a better guarantee if you spend more money.
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@xaade said in Nintendo does it again:
Or... .they could have just made their games into apps for my tablet.
- Lack of compatibility is not a bug, it's a feature. For Nintendo.
- You'd still need to buy the fancy controllers because touchscreens are useless for gaming. And have your tablet designed in a way that lets you attach the controllers to it easily.
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@anonymous234 said in Nintendo does it again:
You'd still need to buy the fancy controllers because touchscreens are useless for gaming. And have your tablet designed in a way that lets you attach the controllers to it easily.
The fancy controller I got for it wraps around just like the switch's controller, and I got it for a fraction of the price.
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@coldandtired said in Nintendo does it again:
"Nintendo also warned users that using the Switch near an aquarium or within a metre of another wireless device, including laptops, wireless headsets, wireless printers, microwaves, cordless phones or even USB-3.0 compatible devices “such as hard drives, thumb drives, LAN adapters, etc”, might cause the Joy-Con controllers to disconnect from the Switch."
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@coldandtired $90 it is a £2 piece of plastic.
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@aliceif said in Nintendo does it again:
@RaceProUK PSP! PSP! PSP! PSP!
Sure, the cards it used were strange but it is still possible to find USB readers that support them.I still have my modded PSP. Good times, streaming the game ISOs over WiFi was the shit! (when it worked)
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@El_Heffe said in Nintendo does it again:
@coldandtired said in Nintendo does it again:
"Nintendo also warned users that using the Switch near an aquarium or within a metre of another wireless device, including laptops, wireless headsets, wireless printers, microwaves, cordless phones or even USB-3.0 compatible devices “such as hard drives, thumb drives, LAN adapters, etc”, might cause the Joy-Con controllers to disconnect from the Switch."
I thought that was strange as well, like, the controllers are just BlueTooth, right? So, WTF??
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@RaceProUK said in Nintendo does it again:
…and now I'm out of applicable meme images.
My favourite:
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@RaceProUK said in Nintendo does it again:
Thing is though, at the end of the day, it's statutory rights. If the item is not fit for purpose, the retailer is legally obliged to exchange or refund the full amount, so long as the return is made within 28 days*.
*This applies to the UK; YMMV, IANAL, etc.
Beware of the thing people often forget about the Sale of Goods Act 1974, as amended, blah blah blah. The "fit for purpose" thing refers to the purpose for which the item is sold, NOT the purpose for which it is bought.
That is, if the seller sells the display with a notice "sold for the purposes of a paperweight", and it has 1000 dead pixels, you're out of luck claiming that it was unfit for purpose. Well, more specifically, the dead pixels aren't going to help you make such a claim. A 24-inch LCD panel is a stooooopid shape for a paperweight, and you might get them on that, except that the buyer does have a duty of care, too.
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@Steve_The_Cynic If you're buying a 24" LCD panel as a paperweight, I think the Sale of Goods Act 1974 is the least of your worries :P
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Nintendo does it again:
@El_Heffe said in Nintendo does it again:
@coldandtired said in Nintendo does it again:
"Nintendo also warned users that using the Switch near an aquarium or within a metre of another wireless device, including laptops, wireless headsets, wireless printers, microwaves, cordless phones or even USB-3.0 compatible devices “such as hard drives, thumb drives, LAN adapters, etc”, might cause the Joy-Con controllers to disconnect from the Switch."
I thought that was strange as well, like, the controllers are just BlueTooth, right? So, WTF??
Sounds like they are saying that its EMI susceptibility is more debilitating for it than we'd expect. That's lame. (I need to find a copy of the Winsock Lame List to fully express how lame it is.)
Interestingly: Wii controllers are Bluetooth. The Wii Fit Balance Board is Bluetooth. The Wii U Gamepad(1) is a modified form of WiFi. The Wii U Pro Controller is Bluetooth.
The JoyCon thing might be a modified form of Bluetooth, of course. Like the Gamepad's WiFi isn't WiFi, and the Wii Optical Disk looks kind of like a CD/DVD but isn't.(2)
(1) A better name than the one the French video game journalists gave it before the proper name was announced, a portmanteau of "manette" (game controller) and "tablette" (tablet, in the computing sense): "mablette".
(2) I'm told this is the case, anyway.
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@RaceProUK said in Nintendo does it again:
@Steve_The_Cynic If you're buying a 24" LCD panel as a paperweight, I think the Sale of Goods Act 1974 is the least of your worries :P
Oh, absolutely. (But equally, however bad it is as a paperweight, if it has 1000 dead pixels, "paperweight" is about all it's good for.)
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Maybe I'm getting old, but the Switch interests me about as much as whatever version of iPhone is coming out this year.