Fixing morale, according to management.
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@JBert said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
don't see what's so funny about base
because you have a hex
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@antiquarian said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
@ben_lubar said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
That'd never happen in the USA. Republicans signed an index card that said they can't raise taxes. For some reason. I hope.
YMBNTAP
No Ben is right. The GOP never raises taxes; they approve income adjustments and revenue enhancements instead. The fact that these look an awful lot like taxes is purely coincidental.
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@accalia said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
@anotherusername said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
Whether or not 50-60 hours per week is "reasonable" really depends on the person,
from where I stand, the expectation of more than 40 hours per week every week when the standard compensation level is for 40 is by definition unreasonable.
if the level of compensation was negotiated with the expectation of 50 or 60 hours, then that's not unreasonable because the negotiated compensation matches the expectation.
That's why the situation we have in Poland is so awesome. You get paid for 40 hours. You work overtime? You have to get paid 150%. You work overtime during night or on Sunday? That's 200% for you. Also: you worked on Sunday? You can always exchange any amount of work for a day of paid leave, even when you've only worked 1 hour. (I'm not entirely sure what's the lowest amount of time you need to spend working, could be that 15 minutes is enough).
Sure, this doesn't mean that there aren't places where it doesn't work this way, but this is veeeery illegal.
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@Khudzlin said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
@Steve_The_Cynic What I mean by "lost" is that we're not given another day off instead of it, as is common practice (and probably law) in most other countries (for instance, the UK and its former colonies). If you take that Friday off, it'll be counted against your allotment. So, for every holiday that falls during a weekend, you have to work one more day.
In Poland it's kinda funny in this department and I'm not sure why. If a holiday is on Saturday, you get an additional day off of paid leave. When it's on Sunday you can go fuck yourself.
There probably is a reason for this. I guess not a very good one.
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@another_sam said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
@PleegWat said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
Note I do not know if in AU employees are typically paid monthly (as is common in Europe) or weekly (as seems to be common in the US).
Neither! In my experience pay has always been fortnightly. I have one friend who is paid monthly. He's working for a US corporation. Sales commisions and such bonuses are sometimes monthly.
Everywhere I've worked, it's either been 2x/month, or every other week. (Once it was 1x/month, but that changed pretty quickly)
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I used to work for a company that paid some staff monthly and others 4-weekly.
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@loopback0 said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
I used to work for a company that paid some staff monthly and others 4-weekly.
How many accountants worked there?
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@RaceProUK said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
@loopback0 said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
I used to work for a company that paid some staff monthly and others 4-weekly.
How many accountants worked there?
We do (approximately) that. That's because some staff (security, building maintenance, cleaning, catering) are weekly, and others are monthly because all salaried staff are paid monthly. We're big enough that the complexity in budgeting and audit is something we'd have to have anyway.
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@RaceProUK said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
How many accountants worked there?
More than 0, so too many.
It was largely because:
@dkf said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
some staff (security, building maintenance, cleaning, catering) are weekly, and others are monthly because all salaried staff are paid monthly
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@dcon said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
@another_sam said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
@PleegWat said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
Note I do not know if in AU employees are typically paid monthly (as is common in Europe) or weekly (as seems to be common in the US).
Neither! In my experience pay has always been fortnightly. I have one friend who is paid monthly. He's working for a US corporation. Sales commisions and such bonuses are sometimes monthly.
Everywhere I've worked, it's either been 2x/month, or every other week. (Once it was 1x/month, but that changed pretty quickly)
Across the decades of my career, I've had all four of weekly, biweekly (every biweek, not every semiweek), semimonthly and monthly. Weekly/biweekly were in places like Burger King and Mars (the stores, imagine, if you can, a down-market version of K-Mart)(1), while my first real computering job after graduation started with an actual check (it was in the US, so not a cheque) twice a month. After that, every job I've had was paid monthly. Sometimes at the end of the month, once at the beginning of the month, and once at the beginning (approximately) of the following month. That last one was weird, because they did it by posting a cheque to the employee's bank. If Good Friday fell on the 5th of the month, the employees didn't see their April salary in their banks until some time around the 11th or 12th, maybe even the 13th. This was 1997-1999, by the way, but the top management were paranoid or something and didn't trust the BACS system that all other British companies use to pay their staff.
EDIT: their March salary was the one delayed by that Easter.
(1) Not https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_(supermarket). A different chain called Mars whose name is not found in the Unreliable Source. And I mean it about a down-market version of K-Mart. The only information I could easily find about the chain is https://sites.google.com/site/zayre88/Mars.
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@kt_ said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
@accalia said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
@anotherusername said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
Whether or not 50-60 hours per week is "reasonable" really depends on the person,
from where I stand, the expectation of more than 40 hours per week every week when the standard compensation level is for 40 is by definition unreasonable.
if the level of compensation was negotiated with the expectation of 50 or 60 hours, then that's not unreasonable because the negotiated compensation matches the expectation.
That's why the situation we have in Poland is so awesome. You get paid for 40 hours. You work overtime? You have to get paid 150%. You work overtime during night or on Sunday? That's 200% for you. Also: you worked on Sunday? You can always exchange any amount of work for a day of paid leave, even when you've only worked 1 hour. (I'm not entirely sure what's the lowest amount of time you need to spend working, could be that 15 minutes is enough).
Sure, this doesn't mean that there aren't places where it doesn't work this way, but this is veeeery illegal.
Unless you're a contractor with a one-man business, which in IT describes probably the majority of the workforce - you pay linear company tax instead of progressive income tax, you get some social security exemptions, VAT deductions for things bought "for the company", etc.
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@kt_ said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
In Poland it's kinda funny in this department and I'm not sure why. If a holiday is on Saturday, you get an additional day off of paid leave. When it's on Sunday you can go fuck yourself.
There probably is a reason for this. I guess not a very good one.
Holidays on weekends used to give additional paid leave, both on Saturday and on Sunday.
Then came the political campaign for reinstating super important catholic holiday on 6th of January (which no one cares about). As one of main arguments against it was that there are already too many free days and it would hurt the economy, the reached 'consensus' was that 6th of Jan would become holiday, but Sundays wouldn't produce additional paid leave.
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@loopback0 said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
@RaceProUK said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
How many accountants worked there?
More than 0, so too many.
It was largely because:
@dkf said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
some staff (security, building maintenance, cleaning, catering) are weekly, and others are monthly because all salaried staff are paid monthly
Yeah, but 4-weekly ???
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In the UK, the taxman considers that people may be paid weekly, fortnightly, four-weekly, calendar-monthly, quarterly, biannually, annually, irregularly, or one-offly. I happen to know that no other regular frequencies can be recorded by their systems.
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@dcon said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
Yeah, but 4-weekly
Pretty standard for people paid by the hour. Supermarket staff, pizza delivery, all that sort of stuff is often 4 weekly
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@CarrieVS said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
In the UK, the taxman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsO_slTTEr4
Sorry, couldn't resist
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@dkf said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
@RaceProUK said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
@loopback0 said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
I used to work for a company that paid some staff monthly and others 4-weekly.
How many accountants worked there?
We do (approximately) that. That's because some staff (security, building maintenance, cleaning, catering) are weekly, and others are monthly because all salaried staff are paid monthly. We're big enough that the complexity in budgeting and audit is something we'd have to have anyway.
I'm a salaried exempt employee.
My monthly salary is annual / 12.
My hourly salary is annual / 2080.
My biweekly paycheck is hourly * 80.The monthly salary is basically meaningless as it doesn't reflect what I make in any given month. Since the paychecks are biweekly, some months have two paychecks, and other months have three. (The annual salary doesn't exactly match what I make in a calendar year, either, but it's closer at least... some years I will get 26 paychecks, and other years I'll get 27.)
My annual insurance premiums are divided by 24 and deducted from the first two paychecks each month, so when a month has a third paycheck it's bigger than the first two because the insurance premiums have already been paid for that month. But not that much bigger, because a proportionally larger amount of the extra money is taxed.
Pension contributions and Medicare, Social Security, and income taxes are all calculated and withheld from every paycheck.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
Across the decades of my career, I've had all four of weekly, biweekly (every biweek, not every semiweek), semimonthly and monthly.
In my experience in the US, I've had weekly, biweekly, I think semi-monthly, and maybe monthly, although I can't remember any specific jobs that paid either monthly or semi-monthly. Biweekly has been by far the most common, in my experience. Weekly has been limited, at least in recent memory, to contract jobs, where I submit timesheets for billable hours weekly. Every salaried position, as far back as I can remember more or less clearly, has been biweekly.
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@Maciejasjmj said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
Unless you're a contractor with a one-man business, which in IT describes probably the majority of the workforce - you pay linear company tax instead of progressive income tax, you get some social security exemptions, VAT deductions for things bought "for the company", etc.
Over here that is called "sham contracting". There are a few tests applied by various government organisations to determine if you're really an employee, and usually a one-man business with a single client is really an employee of that client. So the client then becomes responsible for everything it would be if you were an employee - sick leave, holidays, superannuation, withholding income tax, workplace safety training, drug testing depending on industry, etc.
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@another_sam said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
Over here that is called "sham contracting"
...which only goes to show that Australia is not serious about the human rights of fictional corporate persons. Won't somebody think of the fictional corporate children?
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@TimeBandit said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
@CarrieVS said in Fixing morale, according to management.:
In the UK, the taxman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsO_slTTEr4
Sorry, couldn't resist
The reference in that song to "nineteen for me" is understating the reality of the time the song was written. At the time, the top rate of UK personal income tax was 97.5%, that is, thirty-nine for the tax man, but it would have sprung the rhythm...