Are we connected?



  •  So... would you say I'm currently connected?



  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    Is it that in-between stage where you're talking to the access point , but you haven't got to anything beyond it like a DHCP server?



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  • @PeriSoft said:

     


    Wireless batteries - what's the problem ?



  • @SenTree said:

    Wireless batteries - what's the problem ?

    I don't see any.



  • @b_redeker said:

    So... would you say I'm currently connected?
    The button says "Disconnect" and you just posted something on the internet, so I'd say "Yes, yes you are".

    HTH



  • @PJH said:

    Is it that in-between stage where you're talking to the access point , but you haven't got to anything beyond it like a DHCP server?
     

    Interesting guess. I haven't been able to reproduce it, anyway.

    @Zecc said:

    @b_redeker said:
    So... would you say I'm currently connected?
    The button says "Disconnect" and you just posted something on the internet, so I'd say "Yes, yes you are".

    Actually, it turned out that I wasn't, I saved the screenshot and posted this later.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    .@b_redeker said:

    @PJH said:
    Is it that in-between stage where you're talking to the
    access point , but you haven't got to anything beyond it like a DHCP
    server?
    Interesting guess. I haven't been able to reproduce it, anyway.

    Sadly, that's the sort of stuff I deal with that pays my alcohol bills.



  • Meh, this bug has existed as long as that UI. Seen it on virtually every XP box I've used wireless on. FWIW you are actually connected (with DHCP and all) when this happens, just the UI is out of sync with reality. Closing and re-opening the box usually fixes it.

    It's just another one of those myriad Windows bugs that Microsoft never fixed - like the vast majority of bugs that are not security issues.



  • Actually no. When i've ever got this error, i've not been connected, not talking to the router in any case.

     Takes a wifi radio power-off and power on again to get it working.



  • Wifi in XP is one huge WTF. Mine has been "connected" to a neighbour's network despite not having the WEP key. Needless to say, the connection didn't work very well. I'd always spend several minutes just fighting with it, trying to get it to actually connect to the network I told it to and not one I used once across town.



  • When Vista fails to connect to teh webs right away, and you click on the red X in network properties to 'debug it', it tells you that 'the connection is working normally, sorry, we can't help you with this problem' and all of a sudden the connection works.



  • @mallard said:

    Meh, this bug has existed as long as that UI. Seen it on virtually every XP box I've used wireless on. FWIW you are actually connected (with DHCP and all) when this happens, just the UI is out of sync with reality. Closing and re-opening the box usually fixes it.

    It's just another one of those myriad Windows bugs that Microsoft never fixed - like the vast majority of bugs that are not security issues.

    Yep, I've seen this one myself. I've got a screenshot I took of it in 2004 lying around on my hard drive...



  • @codeman38 said:

    Yep, I've seen this one myself. I've got a screenshot I took of it in 2004 lying around on my hard drive...

    With SSDS, your hoard is yours. Just put a noodle and jam it. Enter sss at prompt #2 to enter screen saver mode random photo. Enjoy Rapid Screenshot Rapid capture from 2004. With SSDS. Your data is yours.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Brother Laz said:

    When Vista fails to connect to teh webs right away, and you click on the red X in network properties to 'debug it', it tells you that 'the connection is working normally, sorry, we can't help you with this problem' and all of a sudden the connection works.

    Chances are your DHCP query failed for some reason (I get that occasionally on wifi - it's as if it got dropped on the floor - which it probably did) - the debug process renews your DHCP lease, or tries to get one if it didn't already have one. At this point the self-test passes and you get a working connection. It usually happens when a laptop comes out of standby and the wireless board isn't yet ready when Windows tries to connect.

    Same thing happens with 7, FWIW. And NO Windows should not automatically reattempt DHCP when it fails to receive a lease.



  •  This message appears when there is a manually configured connection and the remote device is unavailable. The network is configured, and therefore "connected", so you can "disconnect" it in order to avoid automatic connection.



  • @derula said:

    With SSDS, your hoard is yours. Just put a noodle and jam it. Enter sss at prompt #2 to enter screen saver mode random photo. Enjoy Rapid Screenshot Rapid capture from 2004. With SSDS. Your data is yours.
     

    You owe me a keyboard!



  • @ammoQ said:

    You owe me a keyboard!

    I'll be in Vienna on vacation this summer. Might as well deliver it in person.





  • @belgariontheking said:

    From a front page article in 2006

    Obsolete. Doesn't use XP theme. OP perfectly valid new content.



  • At certain times my XP laptop will go ape-shit and start saying I'm connected to a bunch of random wifi spots that the laptop had previously connected to, such as a location that I connected to while I was in Alaska for two weeks a year ago (when at the time I'm on the east coast)... it would basically popup a balloon informing me of a new connection from its apparently vast memory every two seconds, and nothing short of a reboot would resolve the problem.



  • These conversations remind me how happy I am now to use Apple. Things like WiFi just work.

    Like for example, I upgraded (not a re-install) from OSX 10.4 to 10.6 last weekend. It took 35 minutes and one reboot. Now the system is slightly faster, and I have 2.5 GB more harddisk space. I haven't found one thing that got botched over the past week.Having installed a lot of Windows systems in the past, and attemped a few upgrades, I was surprised how smooth it went.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @RogerWilco said:

    These conversations remind me how happy I am now to use Apple. Things like WiFi just work.


    As oppsed to the other things that don't? http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant



    @RogerWilco said:
    I upgraded (not a re-install) from OSX 10.4 to 10.6 last weekend. It took 35 minutes and one reboot. Now the system is slightly faster
    Sounds not too dis-similar to cleaning the registry under Windows: http://qdb.us/301509



    Disclosure: I use both Windows and Linux, and the only Apple product I use with any degree of regularity is an iPod shuffle (Gen II for those that care.)



  • OS X 10.6 is smaller because it dropped support for PPC. As for my tale of how stuff on OS X just works, the only way I was able to get OS X 10.4 to print to network printers at work was by going through a Windows server. Trying to print directly didn't work no matter what I tried.



  • @PJH said:

    @RogerWilco said:
    I upgraded (not a re-install) from OSX 10.4 to 10.6 last weekend. It took 35 minutes and one reboot. Now the system is slightly faster
    Sounds not too dis-similar to cleaning the registry under Windows: http://qdb.us/301509

    Especially with that "2.5 GB more HD space" part.



  • @RogerWilco said:

    These conversations remind me how happy I am now to use Apple. Things like WiFi just work.
    It's funny how you have to compare your Apple to a Windows OS that's more than 10 years old in order to feel superior. Wifi also just works on Windows Vista and Windows 7

    @RogerWilco said:

    Like for example, I upgraded (not a re-install) from OSX 10.4 to 10.6 last weekend. It took 35 minutes and one reboot. Now the system is slightly faster, and I have 2.5 GB more harddisk space. I haven't found one thing that got botched over the past week.Having installed a lot of Windows systems in the past, and attemped a few upgrades, I was surprised how smooth it went.
    In the past months I've upgrade all my PCs, my parents' PCs and my parents-in-laws' PCs from Windows XP to Windows 7. These PCs are now significantly faster.
    I haven't found one thing that got botched over the past months. Having installed several Ubuntu and Redhat distributions in the past, I was surprised how smooth it went.



  • @bjolling said:

    In the past months I've upgrade all my PCs, my parents' PCs and my parents-in-laws' PCs from Windows XP to Windows 7. These PCs are now significantly faster.

    Reinstalling Windows XP would have achieved the same though.



  • @bjolling said:

    @RogerWilco said:
    These conversations remind me how happy I am now to use Apple. Things like WiFi just work.
    It's funny how you have to compare your Apple to a Windows OS that's more than 10 years old in order to feel superior. Wifi also just works on Windows Vista and Windows 7
    It can be. I have never used the two OSses that MS produced in the last three years. So then the comment should be that the OP should use a newer version of Windows as it's not supposed to work properly on versions older than 2007.
    @RogerWilco said:
    Like for example, I upgraded (not a re-install) from OSX 10.4 to 10.6 last weekend. It took 35 minutes and one reboot. Now the system is slightly faster, and I have 2.5 GB more harddisk space. I haven't found one thing that got botched over the past week.Having installed a lot of Windows systems in the past, and attemped a few upgrades, I was surprised how smooth it went.
    In the past months I've upgrade all my PCs, my parents' PCs and my parents-in-laws' PCs from Windows XP to Windows 7. These PCs are now significantly faster.
    I haven't found one thing that got botched over the past months. Having installed several Ubuntu and Redhat distributions in the past, I was surprised how smooth it went.
    So you did a direct upgrade and didn't have to re-install applications, drivers, account settings or anything of that nature? That's impressive. I wasn't aware that Windows 7 could do this. What versions of Windows can you upgrade in this way, does Windows 2000 also work? Was this a full 64bit install?

    My experience in upgrading under Linux is mostly limited to SuSE, on which an upgrade from say 10.1 to 10.3 is fine, but 10.3 to 11.0 will break a lot of things.

     If I understand you correctly, then MS has made a giant leap with Windows 7 and is probably better than Linux and on par with Apple's offering, I'll have a closer look at it in the near future.

     As for the network printer issue, today I found that for one printer on our network, a Xerox, I had to get the driver from the Xerox site as it wasn't part of the installation on the DVD. Maybe your issue is with a Xerox printer as well?



  • @RogerWilco said:

    Was this a full 64bit install?
    No, you can’t upgrade like that.



  • @derula said:

    @bjolling said:
    In the past months I've upgrade all my PCs, my parents' PCs and my parents-in-laws' PCs from Windows XP to Windows 7. These PCs are now significantly faster.

    Reinstalling Windows XP would have achieved the same though.

    I've have always maintained my WinXPs, avoided installing crapware, keeping an eye on what applications run at startup and removing them if (un)necessary, defragmenting the drives,... I doubt re-installing with WinXP would have made much of a difference



  • @RogerWilco said:

    @bjolling said:
    @RogerWilco said:
    These conversations remind me how happy I am now to use Apple. Things like WiFi just work.
    It's funny how you have to compare your Apple to a Windows OS that's more than 10 years old in order to feel superior. Wifi also just works on Windows Vista and Windows 7
    It can be. I have never used the two OSses that MS produced in the last three years. So then the comment should be that the OP should use a newer version of Windows as it's not supposed to work properly on versions older than 2007.
    Wifi on my WinXPs have been working correctly from the moment I bought my first wireless router about 5-6 years ago. I bought the wireless card and router from the same well-known manufacturer who delivered decent drivers and regurlarly updated them. So you're talking crap again.

    Maybe I should find an error message from a 10 year old Apple product and express my pleasure of never having to use that crap, even if Apple has replaced it with much better versions now. Do you still enjoy your first generation iPod?



  • @snover said:

    @RogerWilco said:

    Was this a full 64bit install?
    No, you can’t upgrade like that.

    snip the confusing image

     

    The same thing but simplified



  • @RogerWilco said:

    So you did a direct upgrade and didn't have to re-install applications, drivers, account settings or anything of that nature? That's impressive. I wasn't aware that Windows 7 could do this. What versions of Windows can you upgrade in this way, does Windows 2000 also work? Was this a full 64bit install?
    Where did I mention a direct upgrade? I only said I upgrade my machines painlessly. Everything 32-bit. If you want the list:

    • My desktop with WinXP Professional -> Upgrade to Vista Ultimate -> Upgrade to Win7 (only needed to re-install things like Virtual CloneDrive. Win7 autodetects hardware and updates drivers automatically - even WinXP can do that).
    • My laptop and mediacenter: WinXP -> New installation Vista Ultimate (one year ago) -> Direct upgrade to Win7
    • Parents/Parents-in-law WinXP -> New installation Win7

    When doing a fresh install (without wiping the HD) of Win7, the existing OS is copied to "c:\Windows.OLD". It takes 10 minutes to copy/paste your documents from that folder into your new Win7 document library. For my parents and parents-in-law, I didn't go through Vista because their PC's ARE laden with cruft so a clean re-install was the best option. Half an hour after the new install they were up and running because they mainly use PCs for Internet access and e-mail.

    I don't see why the approaches above wouldn't work for Windows2000. Either fresh re-install either look for an upgrade path that can take you from Win2000 to Win7. 

    I was wondering: what is the upgrade path from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X? Mac OS 9 should be about the same age as Windows 2000, no?



  • @bjolling said:

    I was wondering: what is the upgrade path from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X? Mac OS 9 should be about the same age as Windows 2000, no?
     

    It's been a while (to be precise about 10 years) but from memory there wasn't one, you had to partition and boot into 'classic mode' if you wanted to run OS 9 apps.



  • @bjolling said:

    I was wondering: what is the upgrade path from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X?
     

    1. Bin the old mac.
    2. get the latest iMac.



  • @dhromed said:

    @bjolling said:

    I was wondering: what is the upgrade path from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X?
     

    1. Bin the old mac.
    2. get the latest iMac.

    Hell, that's how Steve Jobs would prefer you get security updates.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @morbiuswilters said:

    @dhromed said:
    @bjolling said:
    I was wondering: what is the upgrade path from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X?

    1. Bin the old mac.
    2. get the latest iMac.
    Hell, that's how Steve Jobs would prefer you get security updates.
    And for the rest of us, "stop at step 1?"


  • @Nyquist said:

    It's been a while (to be precise about 10 years) but from memory there wasn't one, you had to partition and boot into 'classic mode' if you wanted to run OS 9 apps.
    There was an abstraction layer called “Classic Environment” that allowed them to run in parallel, but it no longer exists.



  • @derula said:

    @bjolling said:
    In the past months I've upgrade all my PCs, my parents' PCs and my parents-in-laws' PCs from Windows XP to Windows 7. These PCs are now significantly faster.

    Reinstalling Windows XP would have achieved the same though.

    But then you're running a 9 year old operating system.  Doesn't that make you want to cry?  Or are germans incapable of technology shame?



  • @belgariontheking said:

    @derula said:
    @bjolling said:
    In the past months I've upgrade all my PCs, my parents' PCs and my parents-in-laws' PCs from Windows XP to Windows 7. These PCs are now significantly faster.

    Reinstalling Windows XP would have achieved the same though.

    But then you're running a 9 year old operating system.  Doesn't that make you want to cry?  Or are germans incapable of technology shame?

    Don't look at me, I had Windows 7 installed months before release (i.e. when it came out on MSDN) although I'm using Linux primarily.



  • @belgariontheking said:

    Or are germans incapable of technology shame?
    Judging by their filthy pornography, they are incapable of any sort of shame at all.



  • @bstorer said:

    Judging by their filthy pornography, they are incapable of any sort of shame at all.
     

    Yea, who'da thunk it'd fit two?!



  • @bstorer said:

    Judging by their filthy pornography, they are incapable of any sort of shame at all.

    "Ist das der Stromkasten, den ich anschauen soll?" - "Ja." - "Oh. Warum liegt hier eigentlich Stroh rum?" - "Tja, und warum hast du 'ne Maske auf?" - "Hm. Na dann blas' mir doch einen!"



    ((In-)famous porn dialog, loosely "Is that the fuse box you wanted me to take a look at?" - "Yes." - "Oh. Why's there straw on the ground, anyway?" - "Well, and why are you wearing a mask?" - "Huh. Give me a blow job, then.")



  • @derula said:

    @bstorer said:
    Judging by their filthy pornography, they are incapable of any sort of shame at all.

    "Ist das der Stromkasten, den ich anschauen soll?" - "Ja." - "Oh. Warum liegt hier eigentlich Stroh rum?" - "Tja, und warum hast du 'ne Maske auf?" - "Hm. Na dann blas' mir doch einen!"



    ((In-)famous porn dialog, loosely "Is that the fuse box you wanted me to take a look at?" - "Yes." - "Oh. Why's there straw on the ground, anyway?" - "Well, and why are you wearing a mask?" - "Huh. Give me a blow job, then.")

    By porn standards, that's pretty good writing, actually.



  • @morbiuswilters said:

    @derula said:

    @bstorer said:
    Judging by their filthy pornography, they are incapable of any sort of shame at all.

    "Ist das der Stromkasten, den ich anschauen soll?" - "Ja." - "Oh. Warum liegt hier eigentlich Stroh rum?" - "Tja, und warum hast du 'ne Maske auf?" - "Hm. Na dann blas' mir doch einen!"



    ((In-)famous porn dialog, loosely "Is that the fuse box you wanted me to take a look at?" - "Yes." - "Oh. Why's there straw on the ground, anyway?" - "Well, and why are you wearing a mask?" - "Huh. Give me a blow job, then.")

    By porn standards, that's pretty good writing, actually.

    How can you say that?!  At no point was there a pizza delivered.


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