I, ChatGPT
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@Tsaukpaetra Just more reasons for me to continue not using OneDrive.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in I, ChatGPT:
@Gern_Blaanston I feel like I should feel insulted,
Probably.
but not sure what about...
Does it matter?
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@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
Like the currency conversion is somehow the default here, wtf?
It's kinda like safe search. They're protecting the unsuspecting from the other PHP.
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@HardwareGeek said in I, ChatGPT:
@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
Like the currency conversion is somehow the default here, wtf?
It's kinda like safe search. They're protecting the unsuspecting from the other PHP.
And yet the suggestions it made otherwise were fine…
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@HardwareGeek said in I, ChatGPT:
@Tsaukpaetra said in I, ChatGPT:
@Gern_Blaanston I feel like I should feel insulted,
Probably.
but not sure what about...
Does it matter?
Hit me with a few million more examples and I might be able to replicate an example that night match....
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@Tsaukpaetra said in I, ChatGPT:
Hit me with a few million more examples
Examples of posts that make you feel insulted? I don't know about millions, but I'm sure some of us here will be happy to make insulting posts.
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@HardwareGeek and he will upvote every one of them
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I hate when gpt decides to write in every fucking paragraph that the article is "satirical". I know it you stupid AI
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@TimeBandit you can’t even made a claim of “it has a Y sound” for some of them that don’t have a Y in but trying to be fair to it…
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@Arantor eh...a T is just a deformed Y.
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@Arantor It's probably an interesting side effect from the tokenization. There's probably a pile of tokens that contain 'Y', but there doesn't seem to be any data connecting them.
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@TimeBandit said in I, ChatGPT:
@HardwareGeek and he will love and upvote the fuck out of every one of them
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The tweet from yesterday is now an article on NPR:
"We believe that AI voices should not deliberately mimic a celebrity's distinctive voice — Sky's voice is not an imitation of Scarlett Johansson but belongs to a different professional actress using her own natural speaking voice," the company wrote.
And yet you tried to get ScarJo on board.
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@Zecc said in I, ChatGPT:
The tweet from yesterday is now an article on NPR:
"We believe that AI voices should not deliberately mimic a celebrity's distinctive voice — Sky's voice is not an imitation of Scarlett Johansson but belongs to a different professional actress using her own natural speaking voice," the company wrote.
And yet you tried to get ScarJo on board.
They also backed down and removed the voice option when asked for proof for how they got it. I'm guessing they are getting hold of a voice actress that sounds like Red John's son right now to back this claim if it goes to court.
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@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
Well, unfortunately in my country, distances are signposted in backwards units.
I did my part by riding around and counting my distance in km.
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@sockpuppet7 said in I, ChatGPT:
I hate when gpt decides to write in every fucking paragraph that the article is "satirical". I know it you stupid AI
Maybe you could use some automated tool to rewrite the text and remove the satirical remark
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@Carnage that to me is the red flag. If they had actually hired such a person, there would be a paper trail that could be supplied as evidence to the lawyers.
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@Carnage Probably retraining it on somebody else with a nice voice and fewer lawyers.
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@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
@Carnage that to me is the red flag. If they had actually hired such a person, there would be a paper trail that could be supplied as evidence to the lawyers.
Regardless of whether they shouldn't, the question then becomes whether it's illegal for them to impersonate her voice. I could imagine that's perfectly fine under some jurisdictions, but in the slashdot discussion I read that her likeness or whatever is protected under California law, which is of course relevant for both Hollywood and Silly Valley.
If that's true, they can come out with "we used a voice actor" all they want, they have very clearly proven intent here.
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@topspin sure, but how does that work if the voice actor and OpenAI aren’t claiming to be that person? How does that work with impressionists who are clearly trying to evoke a given celebrity voice? Is that covered as parody and “it’s not passing off” because they’re not claiming to be that person?
How does the same rule work for celebrity gimmick satnav where it says “celebrity voice impersonated” or similar on the box?
OpenAI haven’t claimed Sky is SJ’s voice. Clearly they want it to be her, very clearly, and have demonstrated intent in that direction, but I still think from my armchair law degree that if it legitimately weren’t her, they could squeak by with documentation supporting that.
To me the withdrawal says everything, that whether they hired a voice actor or not, the AI voice still has SJ’s training in it.
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@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
but how does that work if the voice actor and OpenAI aren’t claiming to be that person? How does that work with impressionists who are clearly trying to evoke a given celebrity voice? Is that covered as parody and “it’s not passing off” because they’re not claiming to be that person?
Yes, this raises interesting questions. What happens if someone's natural voice is close to the voice of somebody famous? Could they be legally forbidden from working as a voice actor? If so, how do you justify it? ("I am famous and you're not" is pretty shaky ground.)
And what about singers? Some of them have very similar voices.
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@Zerosquare said in I, ChatGPT:
And what about singers? Some of them have very similar voices.
And so many of them can be easily emulated with nails on a chalkboard
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United Kingdom (commonly known as the UK, but "United Kingdom" includes a Y)
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@DogsB it just highlights that it's not reasoning about the letters and reminds you to be more careful when you get less obvious hallucinations.
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@boomzilla said in I, ChatGPT:
@DogsB it just highlights that it's not reasoning about the letters and reminds you to be more careful when you get less obvious hallucinations.
On that there biker forum I'm hanging out on, people are posting ChatGPT as a reliable source and as a way to prove someone wrong. I keep pointing out to them that it's wholly untrustworthy. Maybe I should start posting these things so people can understand that it can't be trusted, it's not data, it's a statistical approximation of data.
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@Carnage I always ask for a link to the information from my AI so I can check it against, like, actual documentation. Sometimes you get lucky and it's correct.
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@DogsB also New Zealand is conspicuously y-less.
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@boomzilla said in I, ChatGPT:
@Carnage I always ask for a link to the information from my AI so I can check it against, like, actual documentation. Sometimes you get lucky and it's correct.
It's been a while, but I asked for a response with reference links in it, and about 50% of the links were generated and never existed, and of the other half, a good quarter didn't even have anything to do with what the LLM said. The last quarter seemed at least relevant, even if they could say the opposite of what the LLM said.
Kinda like what you'd expect to get from statistically generated text with a sprinkling of random on top.
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@DogsB said in I, ChatGPT:
United Kingdom (commonly known as the UK, but "United Kingdom" includes a Y)
And what happened to
Yreland
?
BecausePoblacht na Heyreann
contains so manyy
s!
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@izzion said in I, ChatGPT:
@Zerosquare said in I, ChatGPT:
And what about singers? Some of them have very similar voices.
And so many of them can be easily emulated with nails on a chalkboard
They could imitate death metal singers with a coffee grinder instead.
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From 0:11:
(: Kurt Cobain is not a death metal singer!)
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@dkf said in I, ChatGPT:
@izzion said in I, ChatGPT:
@Zerosquare said in I, ChatGPT:
And what about singers? Some of them have very similar voices.
And so many of them can be easily emulated with nails on a chalkboard
They could imitate death metal singers with a coffee grinder instead.
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@Zerosquare said in I, ChatGPT:
(: Kurt Cobain is not a death metal singer!)
But he is a dead singer.
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The "draw the rest of the fucking owl" meme might need an update.
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@DogsB 200,000 KB is 0,2 MB
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@Zerosquare said in I, ChatGPT:
Yes, this raises interesting questions. What happens if someone's natural voice is close to the voice of somebody famous? Could they be legally forbidden from working as a voice actor? If so, how do you justify it? ("I am famous and you're not" is pretty shaky ground.)
I suspect they could, based on some vague memories of stories about brand names. I remember in particular one seamstress in a small city in France who, purely by chance, had the same name as a well-known luxury brand (something like Dior or Channel). She was using her name as her shop name, without any attempt of hijacking the popularity of the bigger one, but apparently she was still forced to change the name of her business (not her own name, of course, but she wasn't allowed to keep doing business under her name as the business name).
This was about trademarks (I think), but since trademarks can also be sounds (again, I think), it's possible this kind of cases could be used as precedent in your case. But almost everything about IP laws is neither straightforward nor intuitive, and all of it also strongly varies from country to country, so there probably isn't any generalisation to be made here.
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@remi For example, I vaguely recall hearing about a blanket exception in the UK where you can always name a business after your own last name, regardless of preexisting trademarks.
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@remi said in I, ChatGPT:
I remember in particular one seamstress in a small city in France who, purely by chance, had the same name as a well-known luxury brand (something like Dior or Channel). She was using her name as her shop name, without any attempt of hijacking the popularity of the bigger one, but apparently she was still forced to change the name of her business (not her own name, of course, but she wasn't allowed to keep doing business under her name as the business name).
After a quick search, the story wasn't quite what I remembered () but I'm not sure if it's more logical or more absurd (). This is the source I read (in French).
This was a lady called Mrs. Milka Budimir, who was indeed a seamstress and had a website by her (first) name but as you can guess (at least in Europe, not sure if that brand is well-known in the rest of the world?) she wasn't "competing" with a clothing brand but with a chocolate brand (Milka (duh)). But it was indeed ruled that she couldn't keep using
milka.fr
for her business, despite this being her name.What makes it maybe even more outrageous is that there is no overlap in brand recognition between chocolate (Milka isn't luxury high-end chocolate) and making clothes. But what might make it a little bit less outrageous is that it would seem that, at least at some point in time, the seamstress was using a purple/lilac colour for her website, and while "the court couldn't establish that she did so intentionally," there clearly was an overlap with Milka's brand image (my suspicion is that she might have done so originally partly as a joke -- she obviously was aware of the similarity of name and might have thought that he'd be fun to use a similar colour, without thinking she was doing anything wrong since (in her mind) she wasn't trying to hijack the brand).
Anyway, the conclusion stands, someone can be forbidden from using some characteristic of their person just because it happens to be similar-enough to a well-known other thing.
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@remi said in I, ChatGPT:
@Zerosquare said in I, ChatGPT:
Yes, this raises interesting questions. What happens if someone's natural voice is close to the voice of somebody famous? Could they be legally forbidden from working as a voice actor? If so, how do you justify it? ("I am famous and you're not" is pretty shaky ground.)
I suspect they could, based on some vague memories of stories about brand names. I remember in particular one seamstress in a small city in France who, purely by chance, had the same name as a well-known luxury brand (something like Dior or Channel). She was using her name as her shop name, without any attempt of hijacking the popularity of the bigger one, but apparently she was still forced to change the name of her business (not her own name, of course, but she wasn't allowed to keep doing business under her name as the business name).
This was about trademarks (I think), but since trademarks can also be sounds (again, I think), it's possible this kind of cases could be used as precedent in your case. But almost everything about IP laws is neither straightforward nor intuitive, and all of it also strongly varies from country to country, so there probably isn't any generalisation to be made here.
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@remi see also how come the .amazon TLD went to the company rather than the Amazon Cooperation Treaty Organization which includes a bunch of countries as members.
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Google really is getting worse.
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@TimeBandit Bing was out for most of the day so you had completely hallucinated results vs no results.
In the same vein as bad docs are often worse than no docs, no docs apparently wins that battle?
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