I, ChatGPT
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@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
@sockpuppet7 so where are digital artists supposed to publish a portfolio without wanting to be slurped by a machine intent on replacing them?
in somewhere they can have access controls?
none of these measures are likely to be effective and if public domain wasn't mickey moused to hundreds that would be enough for AI
I don't support ridiculously long copyrights and protection of jobs against automation, and AI is cool, and cool makes right
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@sockpuppet7 how exactly would access controls work if you’re trying to share that portfolio with prospective clients?
Note that access controls will automatically discourage getting work.
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@sockpuppet7 said in I, ChatGPT:
none of these measures are likely to be effective
Yeah. I'm sure the AI guys are updating their decoders right now to ignore whatever the nightshade guys are doing. And both will have added to the sum of human knowledge. Which itself is kind of cool. You never know how or when stuff like that will be useful.
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@sockpuppet7 said in I, ChatGPT:
I don't support ridiculously long copyrights and protection of jobs against automation, and AI is cool, and cool makes right
AI is the least cool of all things we could have if we were able to ignore copyright. But unfortunately, the only thing with enough funding to actually ignore copyright.
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@boomzilla said in I, ChatGPT:
I'm sure the AI guys are updating their decoders right now to ignore whatever the nightshade guys are doing.
This but ironically.
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@boomzilla historically, AIs don't have a good track record fighting against adversarial AIs.
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@Gustav this isn't AI, per se. It's probably filtering an image before
handing it off to the training processsaving it in the training database.
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@boomzilla no AI? That gives me even more confidence they'll be successful at fighting AI.
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@Gustav said in I, ChatGPT:
@sockpuppet7 said in I, ChatGPT:
I don't support ridiculously long copyrights and protection of jobs against automation, and AI is cool, and cool makes right
AI is the least cool of all things we could have if we were able to ignore copyright. But unfortunately, the only thing with enough funding to actually ignore copyright.
If copyright were anything sane like 15-20 years, we wouldn't even have this discussion because there'd be enough public domain content in the wild that scrapers would just use that. And everyone would be better off for it.
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@topspin everyone, except the big corporations - on both sides of the issue.
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@Gustav you seem to have misread the meme (I intentionally left the captions off). He's not asking, he's already convinced.
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@topspin oops. Yeah my bad. I guess I finally found an answer to the eternal question: how many memes can a brain fit.
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@topspin Hey! To you have the rights to be using that meme?
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@Zecc no.
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@Zecc TRANSFORMATIVE PARODY!
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@Gustav said in I, ChatGPT:
@Zecc TRANSFORMATIVE PARODY!
Where’s the transformation other than a simple cropped movie still?
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@Gustav I don’t have PS handy right now otherwise I’d make a transformative parody of that, except changing the “transformative parody” line to “implicitly consented learning material”.
It would make me laugh if nothing else.
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@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
I hope those whining about how we shouldn’t slow down AI because of a few malcontents realise their part in it when their job changes into being a reviewer for AI-generated code.
Because it will, one way or another.
dunno what job I'll find if it advances enough to kill mine. as I don't have any control on it happening or not I avoid thinking too much on it
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@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
@sockpuppet7 how exactly would access controls work if you’re trying to share that portfolio with prospective clients?
Note that access controls will automatically discourage getting work.
that's their problem
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@Tsaukpaetra I was at work at the time which meant I was posting here on my iPad which lacks art tools.
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@sockpuppet7 said in I, ChatGPT:
@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
@sockpuppet7 how exactly would access controls work if you’re trying to share that portfolio with prospective clients?
Note that access controls will automatically discourage getting work.
that's their problem
Yes, because you like a thing, fuck everyone else in the process.
I've lost count of the artists I've supported on Patreon and also via direct commission where I saw their work on something like Twitter (or elsewhere) because they showed it off and I wanted to get something.
That entire world will go away because the tech-bros have a hard-on for AI.
It wouldn't be quite so bad if the AI scraper tools that did the learning respected boundaries and robots.txt and the like but they don't. So when the only alternative is to fight back, people are going to fight back.
Meanwhile, do you think AI creations should get copyright, and if so why?
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@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
@Gustav I don’t have PS handy right now otherwise I’d make a transformative parody of that, except changing the “transformative parody” line to “implicitly consented learning material”.
It would make me laugh if nothing else.
I realize that being a PHP developer implies a certain degree of masochism, but if you feel the urge to edit images in PowerShell, you need professional help
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@sockpuppet7 said in I, ChatGPT:
@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
I hope those whining about how we shouldn’t slow down AI because of a few malcontents realise their part in it when their job changes into being a reviewer for AI-generated code.
Because it will, one way or another.
dunno what job I'll find if it advances enough to kill mine. as I don't have any control on it happening or not I avoid thinking too much on it
I think it will transform the job more than it will kill it. So far, my experience has been that it's pretty shit when it comes to generating stuff from nothing. Or even writing useful tests of code. Though this will probably improve.
Where it really comes in handy is in the autocomplete suggestions. Especially when doing somewhat repetitive things. Once it sees what you want it can adapt that as you target the next thing and need to do something similar. It's basically the next level of automation for boilerplate stuff, which everyone hates having to write by hand.
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@izzion said in I, ChatGPT:
@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
@Gustav I don’t have PS handy right now otherwise I’d make a transformative parody of that, except changing the “transformative parody” line to “implicitly consented learning material”.
It would make me laugh if nothing else.
I realize that being a PHP developer implies a certain degree of masochism, but if you feel the urge to edit images in PowerShell, you need professional help
This PS. Though I'll suggest it's about as masochistic to use.
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@boomzilla said in I, ChatGPT:
I think it will transform the job more than it will kill it.
Very likely. For a lot of programmers they're going to find themselves being autocomplete verifiers. What fucking fun that's going to be.
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@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
This PS. Though I'll suggest it's about as masochistic to use.
You could always use Gimp instead.
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@HardwareGeek GIMP's regular UI changes made me hate it so much I voluntarily started paying the Adobe regular tax to not have to use it.
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@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
For a lot of programmers they're going to find themselves being autocomplete verifiers.
You mean they will suddenly start testing the code they commit? I don't think I share your optimism.
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@Gustav said in I, ChatGPT:
@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
For a lot of programmers they're going to find themselves being autocomplete verifiers.
You mean they will suddenly start testing the code they commit? I don't think I share your optimism.
Hahaah, no, they'll be doing the "LGTM code review" of it.
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@izzion said in I, ChatGPT:
@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
@Gustav I don’t have PS handy right now otherwise I’d make a transformative parody of that, except changing the “transformative parody” line to “implicitly consented learning material”.
It would make me laugh if nothing else.
I realize that being a PHP developer implies a certain degree of masochism, but if you feel the urge to edit images in PowerShell, you need professional help
That's nothing. Linux nerds insist on using imagemagick...
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@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
Meanwhile, do you think AI creations should get copyright, and if so why?
As things stand right now? Usually not, when used stand alone, but potentially yes when incorporated into a larger work with human input; the presence of an AI component shouldn't automatically render the larger work ineligible for copyright. Where you have an AI closely guided by a human, things are complicated; is it a contributor agent or just a tool? Edge cases are fun!
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@Gustav said in I, ChatGPT:
Linux nerds insist on using imagemagick...
A text editor and pnmtools for me!
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@izzion said in I, ChatGPT:
@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
@Gustav I don’t have PS handy right now otherwise I’d make a transformative parody of that, except changing the “transformative parody” line to “implicitly consented learning material”.
It would make me laugh if nothing else.
I realize that being a PHP developer implies a certain degree of masochism, but if you feel the urge to edit images in PowerShell, you need professional help
.... Shit. I need help.
Well, specifically I'm going to attempt opening a bitmap image and splat some text using a brush to indicate it has been modified.
I have not yet asked ChatGPT to code me this task, but I think it should only take like 18 lines or so depending on how much inlining I do.
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@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
I'll suggest it's about as masochistic to use.
Spoken like someone who never had to use Gimp.
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@boomzilla said in I, ChatGPT:
It's basically the next level of automation for boilerplate stuff, which everyone hates having to write by hand.
I used to use Visual Studio macros extensively, before it was killed by Microsoft.
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@Zerosquare said in I, ChatGPT:
@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
I'll suggest it's about as masochistic to use.
Spoken like someone who never had to use Gimp.
I used GIMP from 2000 to 2021. Including on OS X when you still had to run a side-along X server so you had to click to focus on the app itself then click to do whatever you were trying to do.
But that's how pissed off I was with the 2.10 updates, making the UI all the same colour and breaking all my muscle memory that out of spite I went to the dark side.
And honestly... PS is differently annoying, especially in the 2024 edition. Might have to go find something else.
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@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
Very likely. For a lot of programmers they're going to find themselves being autocomplete verifiers. What fucking fun that's going to be.
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Just occasionally, a gem pops up in the comments, this time with Siri (which at least pretends to be AI-powered so it's sort of on-topic here):
The Siri responded get wierder. The question "How many days are in ___ this year?" gives strange answers for all months. For reference, this was on 3-Feb-2024
January: 30 days
February: 59 days
March: 276 days
April: 246 days
May: 215 days
June: 185 days
July: 154 days
August: 123 days
September: 93 days
October: 62 days
November: 32 days
December: 1 dayWhy did it start by counting up the days in the year?
Why did it switch to counting down the number of days left in the year at the start of the last day in each month?
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@izzion said in I, ChatGPT:
@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
@Gustav I don’t have PS handy right now otherwise I’d make a transformative parody of that, except changing the “transformative parody” line to “implicitly consented learning material”.
It would make me laugh if nothing else.
I realize that being a PHP developer implies a certain degree of masochism, but if you feel the urge to edit images in PowerShell, you need professional help
Goddammit. I was having Turkish delight and you made me blow icing sugar all over the keyboard.
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@kazitor said in I, ChatGPT:
@izzion said in I, ChatGPT:
@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
@Gustav I don’t have PS handy right now otherwise I’d make a transformative parody of that, except changing the “transformative parody” line to “implicitly consented learning material”.
It would make me laugh if nothing else.
I realize that being a PHP developer implies a certain degree of masochism, but if you feel the urge to edit images in PowerShell, you need professional help
Goddammit. I was having Turkish delight and you made me blow icing sugar all over the keyboard.
Just be wary of women in sleighs offering Turkish delight
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@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
Meanwhile, do you think AI creations should get copyright, and if so why?
yes, if I write even a simple prompt to create an image I should have the same rights than if I write a simple line of text, or press the button of my camera
I don't think any copyright should be valid for more than 5 years
and training for AI I think should be allowed if it absorbs a small % of the information on an image
it's all opinion and my opinions change constantly
supposing we all agreed aí shouldn't be allowed to scrape, I don't see how it could be enforced. and if you do enforce it on Europe and the USA, how would you stop an AI from being trained in some different country?
I don't believe it can be stopped, and good art will still need a human with current tech
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@dkf said in I, ChatGPT:
@Arantor said in I, ChatGPT:
Meanwhile, do you think AI creations should get copyright, and if so why?
As things stand right now? Usually not, when used stand alone, but potentially yes when incorporated into a larger work with human input; the presence of an AI component shouldn't automatically render the larger work ineligible for copyright. Where you have an AI closely guided by a human, things are complicated; is it a contributor agent or just a tool? Edge cases are fun!
there are some real artists that use AI as part of their process already, with a lot of Photoshop and all things the other ones do
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@HardwareGeek said in I, ChatGPT:
You could always use Gimp instead.
This but unironically.
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