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@topspin basically he wants his X everything app which he sort of got part way to doing until he was booted by Thiel and co because they didn’t want that shit.
He’s convinced the world needs this and he’s the man to deliver it. Others closer to the situation decided he was wrong then, but now there’s seemingly no one to tell him “no”.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
everything app which he sort of got part way to doing until he was booted by Thiel and co
That's the legend he spreads. The truth is he never built anything useful in Zip, X or Paypal, and was booted for trying to push out people from the board to bring his lackeys.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
He’s convinced the world needs this and he’s the man to deliver it. Others closer to the situation decided he was wrong then, but now there’s seemingly no one to tell him “no”.
When you own the company, there is no one who can tell you "no".
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Now he buys twitter, which has nothing at all to do with finance, renames it to X, and somehow believes this magically means people will use this crap instead of a bank?
Besides the obvious stuff from a certain picture, what the hell is he smoking?
He's got a sizable user base, which is probably the hardest thing.
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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Now he buys twitter, which has nothing at all to do with finance, renames it to X, and somehow believes this magically means people will use this crap instead of a bank?
Besides the obvious stuff from a certain picture, what the hell is he smoking?
He's got a sizable user base, which is probably the hardest thing.
How do you get a sizeable user base on a social media app?
Buy a social media app with a super-size user base!
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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
what the hell is he smoking?
He's got a sizable user base
He's smoking his user base???
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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Now he buys twitter, which has nothing at all to do with finance, renames it to X, and somehow believes this magically means people will use this crap instead of a bank?
Besides the obvious stuff from a certain picture, what the hell is he smoking?
He's got a sizable user base, which is probably the hardest thing.
Sure. For shit-posting.
Why would that translate to banking?
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Now he buys twitter, which has nothing at all to do with finance, renames it to X, and somehow believes this magically means people will use this crap instead of a bank?
Besides the obvious stuff from a certain picture, what the hell is he smoking?
He's got a sizable user base, which is probably the hardest thing.
Sure. For shit-posting.
Why would that translate to banking?I'm sure it won't for most people. I'd be shocked if the conversion rate was actually 0. I don't know at what point he starts making money or gets a network effect.
One area he's been pushing is revenue sharing with content providers. He might work to have them sell merchandise and be their payment processor.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
He’s convinced the world needs this and he’s the man to deliver it. Others closer to the situation decided he was wrong then, but now there’s seemingly no one to tell him “no”.
When you own the company, there is no one who can tell you "no".
He might own the company but is he impossible to force off the board of the other things? Being pushed off the Tesla board might give him pause.
Meanwhile the banks might not take kindly to the amount of collateral they’re on the hook for.
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
I mean, we all knew this was the end game, but I don’t see it that by this time next year people will be all-in on the financial life on Twitter.
So back in the day he had his
x.com
finance thing, which eventually merged with Paypal. In typical Silly Valley disruptors-don't-give-a-shit fashion, Paypal was always sketchy as fuck, acting like a bank when they wanted it to be and not-a-bank when they didn't, randomly freezing your assets for unknown reasons, etc. Well, at least they used to be like that a decade or so ago, no idea if they got any better either in practice or de jure.Now he buys twitter, which has nothing at all to do with finance, renames it to X, and somehow believes this magically means people will use this crap instead of a bank?
Besides the obvious stuff from a certain picture, what the hell is he smoking?
TBH, the Chinese app WeChat also does the message and payment functionality, so I'd guess he is still pissy that he was blocked from doing that before it was cool (in China) and now wants to build it poste-haste.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
So by that, someone trusts him enough to actually be a bank-ish institution. Fuck knows who though.
Haaave you been to the Fool and his not really money thread ?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
So by that, someone trusts him enough to actually be a bank-ish institution. Fuck knows who though.
Haaave you been to the Fool and his not really money thread ?
Yes, but I was talking about the regulatory bodies who are infamously less enthused about letting ne'er-do-wells part rubes and their money.
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@JBert said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
and now wants to build it poste-haste.
And nothing Bad has ever happened because of that...
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
So by that, someone trusts him enough to actually be a bank-ish institution. Fuck knows who though.
Haaave you been to the Fool and his not really money thread ?
Yes, but I was talking about the regulatory bodies who are infamously less enthused about letting ne'er-do-wells part rubes and their money.
There is inherently nothing objectionable that said regulatory bodies might take an immediate issue with. He has been allowed to make cars, rockets, braindance machines and metric tons of space junk already.
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@Applied-Mediocrity You'd think having to settle a fraud charge with the SEC might have been a barrier.
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@Arantor Nope. As TFA says, it was settled without admitting or denying any wrongdoing, and SEC only required specific things, none of which barred Mollusk from doing banking then or now. If the law or a court precedent doesn't, I don't think gubmint can really deny him. Moreover, he's not the X CEO nor sits on the board (not that there is any), he's just a major shareholder (and "technoking").
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@Applied-Mediocrity Everything I can find suggests he's the chairman and CTO but there isn't a conventional board to sit on, so who even knows?
I dunno, I just think he's got sufficient history that there should be more barriers to letting him do this. Not because it's him per se, but that X will do everything it can to not-really-be-a-bank the way PayPal is which will mean he won't need to provide the same level of securities against peoples' financial holdings in his institution.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
isn't a conventional board to sit on, so who even knows?
Me neither. Although I believe only public companies must have a board.
I dunno, I just think he's got sufficient history
Right, but as far as the law is concerned, he's clean. He has not been convicted of fraud. For better or worse, being unscrupulous asshole, internets troll or serial bungler doesn't by itself prevent anyone from doing any kind of business.
Also, you seem to have a kind of unwarranted idealism that law applies to everyone equally.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Also, you seem to have a kind of unwarranted idealism that law applies to everyone equally.
No, I am fully aware that the golden rule still holds: whoever has the gold makes the rules. But I choose to believe people can be decent and fair and that it's worth aspiring to be better even if others aren't. I am a lost cause.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Also, you seem to have a kind of unwarranted idealism that law applies to everyone equally.
No, I am fully aware that the golden rule still holds: whoever has the gold makes the rules. But I choose to believe people can be decent and fair and that it's worth aspiring to be better even if others aren't. I am a lost cause.
I am often completely unconvinced by public arguments for or against Musk. I think his rockets are cool, his cards retarded and the jury is still out on the whole X thing but he's definitely improved it qualitatively, even if it didn't all go as well as some pollyannas thought it might have. I suspect the finances are in better shape, too. Sure, he lost a bunch of advertising but he fired out a ton of deadwood six figure employees who used to literally brag about how they were communists and didn't even want to turn a profit.
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@boomzilla are we using the same Twitter? The number of obvious bugs has gone way up lately.
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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
the jury is still out on the whole X thing
X is a terrible name for anything, except maybe a comic character or hot pepper.
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@Zecc It's a pretty bad name for those, too.
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@Zecc said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
the jury is still out on the whole X thing
X is a terrible name for anything, except maybe a comic character or hot pepper.
X is a terrible name for anything except variables. For variables it is, unfortunately, a kind of tradition.
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Today, 11 notifications. 10 from clearly-bots that have found a conversation between me and an influencer from a couple of weeks back.
Ever since Musk has been paying the more prominent blue-ticks, the bots problem has been so much worse. Almost like if you encourage people to drive up views for money, they’ll find ways to automate just that.
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@Bulb said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
X is a terrible name for anything except variables. For variables it is, unfortunately, a kind of tradition.
It's OK as the name for a coordinate.
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@dkf said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Bulb said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
X is a terrible name for anything except variables. For variables it is, unfortunately, a kind of tradition.
It's OK as the name for a coordinate.
It’s the only coordinate that game engine devs can sort of agree on in terms of orientation, too.
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I became acquainted with Freya yesterday, coincidentally, watching a video where this chart appeared.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@dkf said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Bulb said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
X is a terrible name for anything except variables. For variables it is, unfortunately, a kind of tradition.
It's OK as the name for a coordinate.
It’s the only coordinate that game engine devs can sort of agree on in terms of orientation, too.
Strangely enough all the modeling software seems to agree (on x-right, y-away, z-up) so presumably that's what's used in all the model files and then the game engines using anything else sound like just complicating things for themselves. Especially the ones with left-handed system where even the transforms and physics differ (because normal vectors point in the other direction).
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@dkf said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Bulb said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
X is a terrible name for anything except variables. For variables it is, unfortunately, a kind of tradition.
It's OK as the name for a coordinate.
It’s the only coordinate that game engine devs can sort of agree on in terms of orientation, too.
What kind of crazies use a left-handed coordinate system?
Oh wait, the answer is in that queef.
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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
I think his rockets are cool,
Sure are.
And he also used all that government money to fully subsidize his starlink stuff, but that's just good business on his part.his cards retarded
Almost as retarded as his cars. Or his tunnels. Or running electric taxis in a place where a subway would have an incredibly higher bandwidth, but the people running the place are allergic to it.
and the jury is still out on the whole X thing but he's definitely improved it qualitatively
As incredible as that is, it's got even worse.
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
and the jury is still out on the whole X thing but he's definitely improved it qualitatively
As incredible as that is, it's got even worse.
Technically, it has definitely got worse in a number of aspects. By far the most annoying one for me is the way that notifications are now highly inconsistent. Their whole infrastructure for pushing those (at least to Android using the official app) failed and hasn't recovered yet.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla are we using the same Twitter? The number of obvious bugs has gone way up lately.
I rarely tweet. Just follow links there mostly.
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
What kind of crazies use a left-handed coordinate system?
Microsoft with Direct3D.
Vulkan and OpenGL use right-handed systems.
All three have X and Y pointing along the screen (which makes sense when mixing 2D and 3D) and Z in/out of the screen. (D3D, being the odd one out, has Z into the screen; GL and Vulkan out of the screen).
To be fair, this is for clip space/screen space, so it mostly doesn't matter with programmable shaders. And there are other coordinate spaces where people have more or less agreed on something else (normal maps = tangent space = z up/away from the surface).
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@cvi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
What kind of crazies use a left-handed coordinate system?
Microsoft with Direct3D.
Vulkan and OpenGL use right-handed systems.
All three have X and Y pointing along the screen (which makes sense when mixing 2D and 3D) and Z in/out of the screen. (D3D, being the odd one out, has Z into the screen; GL and Vulkan out of the screen).
To be fair, this is for clip space/screen space, so it mostly doesn't matter with programmable shaders. And there are other coordinate spaces where people have more or less agreed on something else (normal maps = tangent space = z up/away from the surface).
Didn't MFC flip one of the X/Y axis? My memory is vague but I think that was the framework that did that?
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@Carnage Don't remember MFC specifically, but in 2D, whether (0,0) is in the top left or bottom left varies quite a bit.
IIRC this is even visible in some of the image formats, where in some the first row is the top and in others, it's the bottom of the image.
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In any given meeting, make sure there’s at least one piece of bad news. You can have more than one piece of bad news. If you’re in a meeting with me, try to bring up at least one bit of bad news or more than that. My meetings at SpaceX are really good in this regard. They lead with the bad news. Generally, bad news should be loud, repeated, and immediate. Good news can be said quietly once. So just consider it mandatory to at least have some bit of bad news in any given meeting, and start with that. Another way to think of it is we’re looking for a feedback loop that is as good as possible, and sometimes it is uncomfortable to bring up bad news. We need to make it explicit that bad news should be brought up in every meeting, not just with me or Linda, but in general within the company. Basically, what do we need to improve and make better?
“We need to make it explicit that bad news should be brought up in every meeting”
That's an interesting approach. Lots of other stuff in there, too, of course.
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@Carnage said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@cvi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
What kind of crazies use a left-handed coordinate system?
Microsoft with Direct3D.
Vulkan and OpenGL use right-handed systems.
All three have X and Y pointing along the screen (which makes sense when mixing 2D and 3D) and Z in/out of the screen. (D3D, being the odd one out, has Z into the screen; GL and Vulkan out of the screen).
To be fair, this is for clip space/screen space, so it mostly doesn't matter with programmable shaders. And there are other coordinate spaces where people have more or less agreed on something else (normal maps = tangent space = z up/away from the surface).
Didn't MFC flip one of the X/Y axis? My memory is vague but I think that was the framework that did that?
The default default in Windows GDI is X-axis positive right, Y-axis positive down, and the origin is in the upper left corner of the primary monitor. You can reorient the axes, move the origin, and add automatic scaling to a particular DC with system calls.
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@cvi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Carnage Don't remember MFC specifically, but in 2D, whether (0,0) is in the top left or bottom left varies quite a bit.
IIRC this is even visible in some of the image formats, where in some the first row is the top and in others, it's the bottom of the image.
The common formats have first row at the top, the BMP is the odd one out that starts with the bottom row.
@cvi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
All three have X and Y pointing along the screen (which makes sense when mixing 2D and 3D) and Z in/out of the screen. (D3D, being the odd one out, has Z into the screen; GL and Vulkan out of the screen).
… which means they have Y up, so it's still slightly inconsistent with 2D, where Y down is more common.
To be fair, this is for clip space/screen space, so it mostly doesn't matter with programmable shaders. And there are other coordinate spaces where people have more or less agreed on something else (normal maps = tangent space = z up/away from the surface).
You have to apply some rotation between the object, world and screen coordinates either way, so it does not matter too much how the coordinate systems are oriented in them, but left-handed system means you also need to apply mirroring, and there is no benefit for complicating your life like that.
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@cvi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
What kind of crazies use a left-handed coordinate system?
Microsoft with Direct3D.
Microsoft is crazy all right, so no surprise here.
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@Bulb said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
so it's still slightly inconsistent with 2D, where Y down is more common.
Although if you look at plots and graphs (both on computers and on paper etc), Y up is more common again. I'd suspect that most people still see those before they stumble across screen/window coordinates.
OpenGL uses Y up for window coordinates (but they're no longe very relevant.
@Bulb said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
there is no benefit for complicating your life like that.
*cries in cross API code*
Eh, to be monest, if you put the mirroring in very last, it almost doesn't matter. Face culling is probably the only operation that really cares where you don't have a choice.
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@cvi In graphs, Y rising up is pretty much universal. It's just screen coordinates where it tends to grow down. And I'd guess that originates in hardware and early monitors scanning from top to bottom.
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@PleegWat I think it originates from the fact that the first terminals were text, and text lines are always counted from the top.
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@Zecc said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
the jury is still out on the whole X thing
X is a terrible name for anything, except maybe a comic character or hot pepper.
X is fine if that is the name you started with and the name you have been called for the last 15 years. But now, every reference to X has to say:
X (formerly Twitter)
Because if you just say X then 99.9% of the population will have no idea what you are talking about.
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@Gern_Blaanston Every time I see a tweet embedded in another article, I want to click the X logo to close it.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
X (formerly Twitter)
I recommend eX-Twitter.
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@HardwareGeek said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gern_Blaanston Every time I see a tweet embedded in another article, I want to click the X logo to close it.
Yes, I've actually done that at least once.
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@HardwareGeek said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gern_Blaanston Every time I see a tweet embedded in another article, I want to click the X logo to close it.
This explains so much. He's driving clicks!