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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin US employees got their layoff notices and were being paid, even though they weren't supposed to come into work. I'd presume Euros got similar treatment according to local laws.
So, yeah, their jobs were probably erased in that they weren't doing anything any more (as if they did stuff before?).
I think an email isn't valid as layoff notice in parts of Europe.
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Not only that but if there are a certain number of layoffs there are usually legal requirements to do things like consulting with the affected people.
There's process. That 'at will' thing isn't a thing over here.
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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin US employees got their layoff notices and were being paid, even though they weren't supposed to come into work. I'd presume Euros got similar treatment according to local laws.
According to the information seen elsewhere, they did not (or, at the very least, without any proper paperwork). And not just in Europe, there are similar stories about various other offices in Asia and even Africa.
So if true, it's definitely a - $44bln corporation definitely has people who could make the proper paperwork and even lawyers to find out what is needed. But at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he fired lawyers and HR first.
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@Kamil-Podlesak if any group would tell Elon “no”, it’d be HR and legal, and poor little Elon can’t bear being told no, it seems.
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@Kamil-Podlesak Well, if they did fire the lawyers, they may want to look into rehiring them.
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@cvi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Kamil-Podlesak Well, if they did fire the lawyers, they may want to look into rehiring them.
I suggest an intermediate step of "drowning".
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
$44bln corporation definitely has people
had people
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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin US employees got their layoff notices and were being paid, even though they weren't supposed to come into work. I'd presume Euros got similar treatment according to local laws.
In some countries, not giving an employee any work to do is itself illegal.
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@boomzilla How do you do, fellow developers?
(I don't think I've ever heard the word "procedure" used to describe a piece of code outside academia. I'm sure some of you oldfags did, but I also bet it was named in all caps with no random period in the middle.)
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@Gustav what about "subprogram?"
(INB4 SQL)
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@boomzilla same - academia and other oldfags.
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@Gustav ah, more of a webscale kind of guy, I see.
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@boomzilla kind reminder C predates internet by 20 years.
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@Gustav and?
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@boomzilla I'm out of short funny quips. The next part will be just plain boring explanation of the joke. Sorry. The idea that function and procedure are the same thing is old as fuck. It spread across all languages (except SQL) like wildfire. Most programmers today weren't even alive when this wasn't true. But some were. Some even used procedures in their line of work. They're nearing retirement age now. And AFAIK, most of the languages that had separate syntax for procedures and functions didn't allow mixed case identifiers, and even if they did, a dot still wasn't allowed. (Cue somebody old enough to remember giving a counterexample.)
What's more likely - an SQL stored procedure with a name that's only 6 characters long, or a social media personality who doesn't know computers much but strung together a bunch of smart-sounding words to make a joke?
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
The idea that function and procedure are the same thing is old as fuck. It spread across all languages (except SQL) like wildfire. Most programmers today weren't even alive when this wasn't true. But some were. Some even used procedures in their line of work. They're nearing retirement age now. And AFAIK, most of the languages that had separate syntax for procedures and functions didn't allow mixed case identifiers, and even if they did, a dot still wasn't allowed. (Cue somebody old enough to remember giving a counterexample.)
:trumpwrong.avi:
Delphi
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
What's more likely - an SQL stored procedure with a name that's only 6 characters long, or a social media personality who doesn't know computers much but strung together a bunch of smart-sounding words to make a joke?
Listen here, whippersnapper: Who the fuck cares? It's funny. I know it's not your fault that you're younger than most of my ties but you don't have to be so
obnox. Err...sorry, forgot where I was for a minute.
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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
What's more likely - an SQL stored procedure with a name that's only 6 characters long, or a social media personality who doesn't know computers much but strung together a bunch of smart-sounding words to make a joke?
Listen here, whippersnapper: Who the fuck cares?
Nobody, not even me. I appreciate a good joke just like everyone else (this one wasn't tho). But I also find humor in naming and shaming obvious tryhards.
Why the fuck do you care so much about my age? It wasn't even about age. I just pointed out it couldn't be a real dev because real devs don't have procedures named "upDo.g". Methods, functions, yes, but not procedures. Regardless of what year it is.
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@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
The idea that function and procedure are the same thing is old as fuck. It spread across all languages (except SQL) like wildfire. Most programmers today weren't even alive when this wasn't true. But some were. Some even used procedures in their line of work. They're nearing retirement age now. And AFAIK, most of the languages that had separate syntax for procedures and functions didn't allow mixed case identifiers, and even if they did, a dot still wasn't allowed. (Cue somebody old enough to remember giving a counterexample.)
:trumpwrong.avi:
Delphi
Called it.
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@Gustav I definitely use Procedure. But this is because my current programming experiments are in PureBasic which is old enough that at some point in its life it had an Amiga version.
I am also old enough that I remember other BASIC dialects separating procedures and functions as actual concepts rather than just void functions. I assumed there was some technical reason around not having to juggle around the stack to get the return value back on those older machines, though I never looked deeply at it.
But I still only have a 3 at the front of my age for now.
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
The idea that function and procedure are the same thing is old as fuck. It spread across all languages (except SQL) like wildfire. Most programmers today weren't even alive when this wasn't true. But some were. Some even used procedures in their line of work. They're nearing retirement age now. And AFAIK, most of the languages that had separate syntax for procedures and functions didn't allow mixed case identifiers, and even if they did, a dot still wasn't allowed. (Cue somebody old enough to remember giving a counterexample.)
:trumpwrong.avi:
Delphi
Called it.
Called what? It's still in active development. Last realease was less than 3 months ago.
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
But I also find humor in naming and shaming obvious tryhards.
Maybe you should try that sometime then.
Why the fuck do you care so much about my age? It wasn't even about age. I just pointed out it couldn't be a real dev because real devs don't have procedures named "upDo.g". Methods, functions, yes, but not procedures. Regardless of what year it is.
I see, it's a case of Mason-Wheelerism.
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@Arantor said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
I assumed there was some technical reason around not having to juggle around the stack to get the return value back on those older machines
Dubious. You don't need retarded syntactical distinctions to differentiate between implementations.
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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
But I also find humor in naming and shaming obvious tryhards.
Maybe you should try that sometime then.
Posting memes that are literally all about naming and shaming tryhards apparently aren't namey and shamey enough.
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
But I also find humor in naming and shaming obvious tryhards.
Maybe you should try that sometime then.
Posting memes that are literally all about naming and shaming tryhards apparently aren't namey and shamey enough.
Can you show us on the teddy bear where the procedure touched you?
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@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@MrL said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
The idea that function and procedure are the same thing is old as fuck. It spread across all languages (except SQL) like wildfire. Most programmers today weren't even alive when this wasn't true. But some were. Some even used procedures in their line of work. They're nearing retirement age now. And AFAIK, most of the languages that had separate syntax for procedures and functions didn't allow mixed case identifiers, and even if they did, a dot still wasn't allowed. (Cue somebody old enough to remember giving a counterexample.)
:trumpwrong.avi:
Delphi
Called it.
Called what? It's still in active development. Last realease was less than 3 months ago.
Fortran was last updated in 2018 and is planned to receive another revision next year.
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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
But I also find humor in naming and shaming obvious tryhards.
Maybe you should try that sometime then.
Posting memes that are literally all about naming and shaming tryhards apparently aren't namey and shamey enough.
Can you show us on the teddy bear where the procedure touched you?
What? How did we get from "this guy obviously doesn't work anywhere close to engineering" to "Gustav is mortally scared of indexed jumps"?
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@Carnage said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@topspin US employees got their layoff notices and were being paid, even though they weren't supposed to come into work. I'd presume Euros got similar treatment according to local laws.
So, yeah, their jobs were probably erased in that they weren't doing anything any more (as if they did stuff before?).
I think an email isn't valid as layoff notice in parts of Europe.
Exactly. Paper is enforced by the courts.
Twitter! You've already lost when you use email instead of paper.
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@BernieTheBernie Always viz die Papiere.
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This discussion has convinced me to make an effort to tactically use the term "subprocedure".
(It's useful, because anybody that doesn't cringe at it is suspect in one way or another.)
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@cvi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
subprocedure
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@Gustav I hate whoever placed those arrows slightly offset.
(If they were centered, I'd hate them for creating a flow chart, but priorities.)
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@cvi you can say the presentation is subpar.
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@Atazhaia said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
For the latest hostile takeover updates:
LOL, the hysteria in there is hilarious.
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
And the results are in:
This is deeply unfortunate. I wanted the poll to say "No". 1
Not because I care about "reinstating Trump" one way or another, but because then he would have had to pick between two shitty options, and I wanted to see that. Two shitty options as the consequence of putting this up to a poll in the first place:
- Reinstate Trump anyway, because he claims that's the right policy, showing that his poll was idiotic in the first place.
- Don't reinstate Trump, ignoring what he says is the right policy due to what buttons a bunch of internet randos clicked. Wouldn't be surprising given his previous idiotic statements about "if the referendum is a sham, let's have a real one, lol".
1 It'd be trivially easy for him to manipulate it and maybe it did in fact say No, but there's no hints that happened.
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@topspin said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
"Full quote", in this case, being some random 8th century commentator referencing a much older saying.
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@Gustav completely besides the point.
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@topspin I mean, yeah. But there's something ironic about a person saying "just so you know, this is the original context" failing to identify original context.
Anyway, my take is that Elon knew Trump is not going back, so the result wouldn't matter either way. Maybe they even discussed it beforehand. If Trump wanted to go back on Twitter, I'm sure there would be no poll. They had no reason to make that poll and denying the main source of national news these past 7 years would be a massive shot in the foot.
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@cvi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
This discussion has convinced me to make an effort to tactically use the term "subprocedure".
(It's useful, because anybody that doesn't cringe at it is suspect in one way or another.)
See if you can get
superprocedure
to float too. Also, magic 8-ball predicts no cringes. Welcome to the Dead World.
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@boomzilla said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
It's not every week you can crash Pfizer for 8 dollars.
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@boomzilla How many of those daily users are bots?
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@cvi said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@boomzilla How many of those daily users are bots?
Somehow, that great inquest doesn't matter now that the deal has closed
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
I don't think I've ever heard the word "procedure" used to describe a piece of code outside academia.
You want to call it a function or a method or what? Named bit of code that you can run from elsewhere, got it?
Some people like to distinguish between things that return values and things that don't. That's a largely meaningless distinction, but we sometimes humour the fools who wish to draw it out of sheer laziness.
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@dkf said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Some people like to distinguish between things that return values and things that don't.
I believe they must exist somewhere. I also believe honest politicians must exist somewhere. Personally, I haven't met either yet.
I did, however, meet people who say there's no such thing as a block of code that terminates without returning a value. At the very least, it must return a totally useless value belonging to a unit type. Many recent programming languages take this approach literally and mandate that "non-returning" functions must be declared with a return type of
Unit
or()
or something like that.
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@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Many recent programming languages take this approach literally and mandate that "non-returning" functions must be declared with a return type of
Unit
or()
or something like that.Call it
void
and suddenly both C# and Java will conform to that meaningless distinction.
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@dkf said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
@Gustav said in In other hostile takeover Tweets...:
Many recent programming languages take this approach literally and mandate that "non-returning" functions must be declared with a return type of
Unit
or()
or something like that.Call it
void
and suddenly both C# and Java will conform to that meaningless distinction.Not really. You can't store a
void
in a variable. You can store aUnit
. Meaningless distinction that has very meaningful impact on generic code dealing with higher-order functions. C# having separateAction
andFunc
types is just one example.Point is, I hear "void function" at least a billion times more than "procedure". So anyone casually saying "procedure" trying to pass as a developer is immediately sus.
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Hell, even function vs method is a slightly shady distinction between “belongs to a class” and “doesn’t belong to a class”…
I’d note that 1) VBA still enforces the distinction between Subs and Functions, and 2) the docs refer to Procedures as a logical grouping of all of the things in the glossary, and as a general term.
To call a Sub procedure from another procedure, type the name of the procedure and include values for any required arguments.
You can sit and say that VBA isn’t a real language all you like (and you’d be mostly right) but it’s a language that people use to get things done and in true blakeyrat fashion that’s all that matters.