Betaverse
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@Gribnit thanks, now I have that crap back in my brain; it had only taken me a good decade or so to fully purge it or so I thought.
Don't worry, forgetting gets easier with age.
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@izzion Yes, it does. I think. What were we talking about?
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@HardwareGeek said in Betaverse:
What were we talking about?
Tying a onion to your belt
Well, it was the style at the time.
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The future is hell
https://mobile.twitter.com/FrRonconi/status/1479494612003794956
That's great, then all the ads and superfluous shit can be removed from meatspace.
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The future is hell
https://mobile.twitter.com/FrRonconi/status/1479494612003794956
I like how the thumbnail aligns with the movie poster.
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The future is hell
https://mobile.twitter.com/FrRonconi/status/1479494612003794956
William Gibson says, "Hi."
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@boomzilla said in Betaverse:
William Gibson says, "Hi."
Filed under: books that should not have been read as instruction manuals
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The future is hell
https://mobile.twitter.com/FrRonconi/status/1479494612003794956
I’m sure companies will use restraint in showing this sort of stuff and people will wear those glasses responsibly, such as not while driving or crossing the street.
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people will wear those glasses responsibly, such as not while driving or crossing the street.
No, I will not wear them responsibly. (I will not wear them at all.)
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@Gurth The sarcasm from your post is dripping on my floor... *takes off betaglasses*... never mind.
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The future is hell
https://mobile.twitter.com/FrRonconi/status/1479494612003794956
I’m sure companies will use restraint in showing this sort of stuff and people will wear those glasses responsibly, such as not while driving or crossing the street.
Doesn't the video imply they should provide some safety features for crossing the street and likely also driving?
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Seems like some people at least remember a bit of history:
ď‚™ thread which was linked in the tweet: https://twitter.com/photomatt/status/1479998907123863554
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I think there's a lot of rose-tinted lenses going on in that thread (all of them)
Web 1.0: people are creators as well as consumers. Everyone will run their own things.
Web 2.0: Running things is hard, but platforms emerged to make it easier. And by platform I don't mean Facebook... I mean things like WordPress, platforms spinning up to redress the balance, that not everyone running a site is building from the ground up. Ushers in a new era of thinking - that we're no longer building for the techies but the 'ordinary people'.
More importantly, data access isn't the argument of the day, it wasn't then, though it is now: back in an era where everyone is running their own silos, interop just wasn't the deal (despite vendors trying with the best will in the world)
I don't really know what Web3 aspires to be because it hasn't solved any new problem Web 2.0 didn't already have; the only thing it's done is move one aspect of ownership of data to a federated storage bucket. But the problems produced in the Web 2.0 era (of the likes of Facebook) don't get solved by having a distributed ledger.
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I don't really know what Web3 aspires to be because it hasn't solved any new problem Web 2.0 didn't already have; the only thing it's done is
move one aspect of ownership of data to a federated storage bucketscams. Nonstop scams within scams within scams.
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@boomzilla true, Web2 had to put in more effect to scam people.
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Yeah, right.
Even back then, it wasn't actually about "enpowering people". It's just that someone realized that you didn't actually have to create content to get revenue ; all you had to do was provide a platform, and the users would create the content themselves, while generating advertising revenue.
And said platforms reused open-source stuff not because they believed in openness, but because it was cheap.
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@Zerosquare said in Betaverse:
And said platforms reused open-source stuff not because they believed in openness, but because it was cheap.
Why should they be different from the rest of us?
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Virtual real estate. Protected public void.
“I would not put money into this that I didn’t care about losing. I certainly wouldn’t,” Mark Stapp, professor and director for real estate theory and practice at Arizona State University told CNBC “If it continues the way it’s going, it is most likely going to be a bubble. You’re buying something that isn’t tied to reality.”
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So Metaverse is a reboot of Second Life. Got it.
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@topspin You're an optimist.
Just wait for it. Before you know it, your employer will be renting a virtual office for you (12 polygons, because the renderer is written in JS and runs on the block chain), with a prime view on the central plaza of DeepBlockChainCity (actually, the view is a static texture, due to the aforementioned reasons). You'll be able to hang out with your coworkers in the shared break room (scaled version of the office) also with a view on the central plaza (same view in fact, just distorted because of the non-uniform scaling they used to turn an office into the break room). You're mainly working with a lot of mincraft-dude looking people, because your employer didn't splurge for the extra cost to have individual avatars (and the polygon budget is about 20 triangles per person, again for the same reasons as already mentioned).
Also, the VR headset that you're using to v-commute to your virtual office has eye tracking, which totally isn't used to figure out when you're doing work.
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12 polygons, because the renderer is written in JS and runs on the block chain
Well, we cared enough to purchase NFT textures for those polygons, rather than go up to like hundreds with cheapass commercial shadings. You're welcome.
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"I'm friends with Neal Stephenson, and every time we get together, he just puts his face in his hands. So it's like, 'okay, what metaverse story is driving you insane today?'"
"Obviously the gaming industry has been exploring these technologies for a long time," he said. "It will be interesting to see if anybody who's sort of coming to the party late has much to add, rather than a desire to have a whole bunch of people give them a bunch of money for magic reasons.
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The future is hell
https://mobile.twitter.com/FrRonconi/status/1479494612003794956
Epilepsy will become the most debilitating disease in the world.
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@djls45 so basically the entire world is going to be Ling’s Cars? Remind why anyone thinks this would be a good idea?
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Epilepsy will become the most debilitating disease in the world.
Remember that Facemeta's main business is ads. What do you think you will see in this "augmented" reality?
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@cvi flashing ads that be vying for your attention so some will be brighter and more obnoxiously flashy than others - like Ling's Cars.
The fact some of these will trigger epilepsy in folks is going to be a rounding error - because you know they will have done the math and considered it acceptable.
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Epilepsy will become the most debilitating disease in the world.
Remember that Facemeta's main business is ads. What do you think you will see in this "augmented" reality?
Unlikely. The whole thing is in large part a reaction to the pushback they're getting from adblocking and privacy controls. AdBlock/ublock was a slight nuisance for them, Apple's privacy controls really hurt already, and if Google goes ahead with what they've been publicly thinking about for a while, it will completely fuck up their business model. On the other hand, subscription stuff and pay-per-$THING are much more established than when they started, so you can expect it to be a hypercommercialized place where you have to pay for everything.
What they'll have in terms of ads is smarter they way they've been doing it offline forever: they make some people pay for the right to be a walking billboard and use some of that money to pay others to be walking billboards.
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@cvi flashing ads that be vying for your attention so some will be brighter and more obnoxiously flashy than others - like Ling's Cars.
The fact some of these will trigger epilepsy in folks is going to be a rounding error - because you know they will have done the math and considered it acceptable.
Is that epilepsy from ads or with ads? And they all had preexisting genetic predispositions anyway.
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so you can expect it to be a hypercommercialized place where you have to pay for everything.
So, a mobile game?
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so you can expect it to be a hypercommercialized place where you have to pay for everything.
So, a mobile game?
Kinda. Basically the bastard of Myspace and your favorite 3D zombie shooter, only that the zombies wear NFT Nike apparel and you can't shoot them.
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@LaoC Except that this time they're creating their own ecosystem and won't be forced to play by Apple's / Google's / ... rules as much. (The overall pushback might still hurt them, but nobody will forbid ads entirely.)
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@LaoC Except that this time they're creating their own ecosystem and won't be forced to play by Apple's / Google's / ... rules as much. (The overall pushback might still hurt them, but nobody will forbid ads entirely.)
They will also make it so that it's much, much harder to block ads, as they're integrated into the "content". Thinking of it, isn't that already how it works on Facebook itself? The ads basically are the content, not sure if a simple ad-block is still sufficient there.
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Is that epilepsy from ads or with ads? And they all had preexisting genetic predispositions anyway.
Yes.
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Thinking of it, isn't that already how it works on Facebook itself? The ads basically are the content, not sure if a simple ad-block is still sufficient there.
That's what FBPurity is for.
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@HardwareGeek said in Betaverse:
That's what
FBPurityavoiding FB is for.Well, if you think that FB is Nope, then Betaverse is Nope on steroids. And crack. And all kinds of other shit I don’t even know about.
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@LaoC Except that this time they're creating their own ecosystem and won't be forced to play by Apple's / Google's / ... rules as much. (The overall pushback might still hurt them, but nobody will forbid ads entirely.)
They will also make it so that it's much, much harder to block ads, as they're integrated into the "content". Thinking of it, isn't that already how it works on Facebook itself? The ads basically are the content, not sure if a simple ad-block is still sufficient there.
It is. Thing is, their ability has been crippled to siphon off and combine all kinds of other data and sell their ads for a higher price because they're more specifically targeted than competitors'. Adblockers work towards that goal because they also block al kinds of invisible trackers, and Apple's privacy controls have been even more effective. Of course a simple adblock script of the kind "just add a
display:none
when an element smells like it's been in an adserver, and don't load anything called*pixel*
" won't work at all against the adidas branding of some avatar skin, but any VRification won't bring back their ability to track you across apps and devices and locations and whatnot.
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@HardwareGeek said in Betaverse:
That's what
FBPurityavoiding FB is for.Well, if you think that FB is Nope, then Betaverse is Nope on steroids. And crack. And all kinds of other shit I don’t even know about.
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@boomzilla how did the WEF get involved here? Is a misaligned logo overlay some new Keksign?
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how did the WEF get involved here?
The World
EconomicNepotism Forum has been trying to grow long fingers for a while now. Might be a sign it's succeeding.
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Did you know that there is a real-world portal to the metaverse?
(https://dilbert.com/strip/2022-08-05)
Here it is:
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I think I finally get what the metaverse is. It's a retro game, without the game part. And with retro referring to the awkward period of graphics when Gouraud shading with like 4 triangles/scene was considered acceptable.
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I think I finally get what the metaverse is. It's a retro game, without the game part.
If you leave out the word “retro” there, I think that describes Second Life. So, I guess … Zuckerberg’s metaverse is Second Life 2022 …?