The Belt Onion club
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@topspin
Chatlanes will be marked so normal people can avoid them
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@Luhmann said in The Belt Onion club:
@topspin
Chatlanes will be marked so normal people can avoid themJust as soon as we are sure what is normal anyway
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@Luhmann said in The Belt Onion club:
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Chatlanes will be marked so normal people can avoid themINB4 the elderly start chatting up the cashiers in the other lanes "because the chat lanes take too long".
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@hungrier Ah, that. Safari doesn’t seem to want to display the image, and prompts me if I want to allow downloads from this site if I click on it.
Interestingly, this is at the Jumbo chain of supermarkets, which makes a big deal about how you’ll get your groceries for free if there are four or more people in the queue before you (terms and conditions apply, mainly “at all registers”).
Which long ago lead me to think that if you, say, live in a student house it should be easy enough to round up enough people to fill all the queues to buy one or two things each, plus one person at the back with a full shopping cart.
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Anyways...it seems like he was a long fucking time ago.
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@boomzilla said in The Belt Onion club:
I have a similar problem, but soap seems to make the problem worse...
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@The_Quiet_One said in The Belt Onion club:
@HardwareGeek They were always hard to come by. I swear I think we'd buy like a pack of 5 once a year.
Stores hate him! Learn this one simple hack that lets you use any cassette to record on!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Belt Onion club:
I have a similar problem, but soap seems to make the problem worse...
WTF are you doing with your trackba...
...you know what, forget it. I probably don't want to know after all.
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@boomzilla said in The Belt Onion club:
Far too much trouble. Pull the ball out of the mouse, use your fingernail to scratch the gunk off the rollers, and re-assemble.
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@Zerosquare said in The Belt Onion club:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Belt Onion club:
I have a similar problem, but soap seems to make the problem worse...
WTF are you doing with your trackba...
...you know what, forget it. I probably don't want to know after all.
I'm rubbing my thumb all over it!
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@Tsaukpaetra thumb
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@Gurth said in The Belt Onion club:
@boomzilla said in The Belt Onion club:
Far too much trouble. Pull the ball out of the mouse, use your fingernail to scratch the gunk off the rollers, and re-assemble.
If you're feeling swanky, you can use a Q-tip with some alcohol to give it a rubdown afterwards.
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@boomzilla said in The Belt Onion club:
Now I wonder how many times I encountered this phenomenon back in the day.
I am reminded of X-COM UFO Defense's fundamental bug: you couldn't change the difficulty. You could select a harder difficulty, but it wouldn't change anything. So people played, beat the game, played a harder difficulty, beat it again, played the hardest difficulty and beat it again... and asked Mythos Games/Microprose for a harder sequel.
That sequel was X-COM: Terror From The Deep. Nobody knew about that original can't-change-the-difficulty bug, not even the developers, so when TFTD was made harder than the original... it ended up incredibly hard. (The best way to deal with a "lobsterman" terror mission? Declare a Vietnam after two seconds, and leave. The strategic penalty of showing up and evacuating immediately was smaller than not showing up, and fighting the lobstermen was so difficult that you'd lose far more troops than the mission was really worth.)
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@PotatoEngineer said in The Belt Onion club:
@boomzilla said in The Belt Onion club:
Now I wonder how many times I encountered this phenomenon back in the day.
I am reminded of X-COM UFO Defense's fundamental bug: you couldn't change the difficulty. You could select a harder difficulty, but it wouldn't change anything. So people played, beat the game, played a harder difficulty, beat it again, played the hardest difficulty and beat it again... and asked Mythos Games/Microprose for a harder sequel.
That sequel was X-COM: Terror From The Deep. Nobody knew about that original can't-change-the-difficulty bug, not even the developers, so when TFTD was made harder than the original... it ended up incredibly hard. (The best way to deal with a "lobsterman" terror mission? Declare a Vietnam after two seconds, and leave. The strategic penalty of showing up and evacuating immediately was smaller than not showing up, and fighting the lobstermen was so difficult that you'd lose far more troops than the mission was really worth.)
Wow. TIL.
I was never hardcore enough to try beating X-Com on higher difficulty levels (mostly because playing a whole game took too long).
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@boomzilla I'm gen x and I approve this message.
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@boomzilla To me, it smells more like pipe tobacco. It looks more like my great-uncle and -aunt's house (the wealthier branch of the family). My grandfather smoked a pipe, and I think his brother (my great-uncle) did, too. (Nobody smoked cigarettes.)
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Last night on a Discord server I was asked - apparently with 100% sincerity - how people wrote anything in PHP without Composer and Laravel.
These have only been in our ecosystem for a decade, ive been in the Personal Hell Pit for far longer than that…
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@Arantor said in The Belt Onion club:
Last night on a Discord server I was asked - apparently with 100% sincerity - how people wrote anything in PHP without Composer and Laravel.
These have only been in our ecosystem for a decade, ive been in the Personal Hell Pit for far longer than that…
I come across the same thing with junior developers and the command line. Fuckers don't even know what vi is let alone exiting it.
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@boomzilla said in The Belt Onion club:
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@Arantor said in The Belt Onion club:
Last night on a Discord server I was asked - apparently with 100% sincerity - how people wrote anything in PHP without Composer and Laravel.
I still don't know how people write anything in PHP with them. I'd love to learn, but there's a huge gulf between the code I see as documented examples and the code people've tried to foist on me in the wild.
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@DogsB said in The Belt Onion club:
Fuckers don't even know what vi is let alone exiting it.
That only makes it easier to trick them into opening it.
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@TwelveBaud said in The Belt Onion club:
I still don't know how people write anything in PHP with them. I'd love to learn, but there's a huge gulf between the code I see as documented examples and the code people've tried to foist on me in the wild.
Doing things with Composer is easy enough, you're just importing a library from a third party and saying what versions you want. If you are doing it wrong like me, you will then check this into your version control.
(The reason I don't just download the library and embed it is so that I can let Composer continue to track what version I actually have so I don't have to)
Meanwhile, building things in Laravel is a black art as far as I'm concerned. Frameworks like this appear to be the result of trying to take all the complexity out of anything so people who can't really program can still slap something together anyway.
Yes, there are things it makes convenient - building a RESTful API is pretty quick with it (esp if using Lumen as its baby brother version without all the rest of the fluff) but for people who can actually write a program without needing the training wheels, they're legit annoying.
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@Gurth said in The Belt Onion club:
That only makes it easier to trick them into opening it.
Yes, but it only works if they have it installed in the first place.
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@PleegWat said in The Belt Onion club:
@DogsB said in The Belt Onion club:
You need facial muscles to extend your arm?
For the most effective slap you need to be using your whole body. Using only arm muscles is just not going to cut it.
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@boomzilla Well, yes. But facial muscles? And specifically only four of them?
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@Arantor I don’t even understand how Discord works.
Filed under: humblebrag
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@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
@Arantor I don’t even understand how Discord works.
Filed under: humblebrag
how do I mute myself?
you can't
you can listen to me pass gas for the next hour then.
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@DogsB said in The Belt Onion club:
@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
@Arantor I don’t even understand how Discord works.
Filed under: humblebrag
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@topspin can you use IRC?
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@Arantor in theory (if anything still used that), yes.
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@topspin Discord is basically a webified version of IRC that can optionally do voice chat as well. You join a server, it has channels, you type things in the box to play multiplayer Notepad at each other.
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@Arantor yeah, we’ve used it before for virtual board games nights. It’s just that it comes with no explanations of any concepts, at all. How do you set up channels, how your identity works, etc.
Like, if I join “those guys from work” and “the porn aficionados” (five bucks says that actually exists), can they see I’m joined in both? Or people in my friends list. It makes me feel like it’s too much geared at a teenage audience that’s not supposed to understand technical details anyway.
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@topspin setting up channels is a function of being server admin. When you log in, in the menu for the server, 'create channel' is one of the options.
Your identity is a bit more complicated and fluid and people do slightly different things but in principle you have a single identity that you join different servers with.
I am Arantor#7683, this identifies me specifically (it's not a huge drama, I have posted this elsewhere than here, so...). I usually join servers under the username Arantor, but I have been known to change my nick to other things on specific servers. It's per server in that situation. My underlying username is still visible.
As far as who can see you, the only things that it will show you are things in common - if TDWTF had a Discord server and we both joined, it would tell both of us that we have that server in common. Ditto for friends, if there are people A, B, and C, A can look at B and see their mutual friends, e.g. if A/C and B/C are friends, A looking at B's 'profile' will be able to see C is a mutual friend.
Beyond that, your profile is largely what you choose to publish - avatar is yours (potentially per server), status is yours to admit or not, along with connected apps (or not)
It's very 'digital native' and firmly aligns with hanging a belt on your onion for the rest of us that are older and who, for example, do remember IRC.
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@boomzilla Depends on what "good for you" means! "Good time to go to bed?" Yup!
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@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
It’s just that it comes with no explanations of any concepts, at all.
It comes with instructions.
@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
can they see I’m joined in both?
Only if they're also in both.
@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
Or people in my friends list.
Only if they're also friends with those people.
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@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
Like, if I join “those guys from work” and “the porn aficionados” (five bucks says that actually exists), can they see I’m joined in both?
Ew. You wouldn't want the aficionados to know you dwell with those people.
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@Arantor said in The Belt Onion club:
if TDWTF had a Discord server
you could chat with @blakeyrat and some other forum rage-quitters.
Filed under: It does, and you can.
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@HardwareGeek said in The Belt Onion club:
@Arantor said in The Belt Onion club:
if TDWTF had a Discord server
you could chat with @blakeyrat and some other forum rage-quitters.
Filed under: It does, and you can.
I'm tempted but I refuse to acknowledge he was right. I did become disillusioned with tech by my third year of employment.
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@loopback0 said in The Belt Onion club:
@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
It’s just that it comes with no explanations of any concepts, at all.
It comes with instructions.
The "getting started" page doesn't answer my questions regarding shared vs. separate identity. Neither does "Protecting Your Data", which is just unactionable announcements.
@topspin said in The Belt Onion club:
can they see I’m joined in both?
Only if they're also in both.
That's better than "always", but I'd prefer if things were completely separate. "No, that's a completely different @topspin over there. -@topspin would never hang out with those guys."
@Arantor said in The Belt Onion club:
It's very 'digital native'
That's one way to put it.