WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
you can't put the taskbar on the side
Taskbar on the bottom makes the aspect ratio of what's left of the screen worse, on the side it makes it better. At least for laptops, but probably also for these UWXVWQHD surfboard-size resolutions.
Even for regular screens, pretty much all of which are wider than they are tall these days. For text based work for sure. I pretty much never have stuff fully maximized horizontally. It makes it too difficult to read.
The whole orientation thing is annoying for tablets too: I want the taskbar to stay on a narrow side, not necessarily Left or Bottom. They took away the ability to programmatically change the taskbar location too. You can do it by making a registry change and killing Explorer, but that's not a decent solution.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
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That's what I would right-click on the thing for. Not sure if I'll use this new knowledge, but thanks
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@cvi said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin The problem with having it on the side is that it tends get relatively wide. If you want to display any text (which extends more horizontally than vertically), you need to make it wide enough to allow for at least a word or two.
Heh, text on the Taskbar. That's crazy talk! Next you'll be telling us you don't want every program to be an MDI application using a custom tab implementation!
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Next you'll be telling us you don't want every program to be an MDI application
Been saying that for years.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
be an MDI
I've been pondering the feasibility of doing that in my App. Wondering at the utility if I did it.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
you can't put the taskbar on the side
Taskbar on the bottom makes the aspect ratio of what's left of the screen worse, on the side it makes it better. At least for laptops, but probably also for these UWXVWQHD surfboard-size resolutions.
Having the taskbar centred on the bottom actually works really well for my surfboard-sized monitor. I am very happy that Microsoft decided to tailor the OS specifically to myself and the 3 other people in the world.
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@sebastian-galczynski said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Can someone check if this shit's real?
I find it hard to believe that they would do something this stupid, but I haven't used Windows for a few years and maybe I'm stuck in the past somehow.
If a TCP connection fails, 21 seconds are lost.
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Windows Update will now try to update your PC when clean energy is more commonly available, if your PC is plugged in and regional carbon intensity data is available from Microsoftâs partners electricityMap or WattTime.
Stop Windows Update! Build Coal Plants!
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@Zerosquare you know what would be a better solution?
If the fucking updates wouldnât take as much power that we need to actually measure it.
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@topspin But how
do youdoes MS virtue-signal that? First, Windows Update would have to not be stupid, and good luck with that. Second, people would have to read marketing BS to know Windows Update was using less power than it used to, which is a much less effective virtue signal than a notification that "Windows will update when clean power is available" (whether you want it to, or not).
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin But how do you virtue-signal that?
Install Gentoo.
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@topspin See edit.
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Then you surely will be happy to learn that the Start Menu isn't in the corner anymore.
But you can put it back there. Don't fuck with my muscle memory.
Hey, they could add RSI protection by randomly moving the UI elements. For your own good.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Gentoo
*wakes up slightly* Hmm?
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
when clean energy is more commonly available
Sooooo.... never?
I'm... okay with this.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Windows Update will now try to update your PC when clean energy is more commonly available, if your PC is plugged in and regional carbon intensity data is available from Microsoftâs partners electricityMap or WattTime.
So, Windows computers will all start to update when the wind picks up and the windmills turn. But what happens if the wind dies down before the updates are finished? It's not like it can just stop the updates in the middle.
Now you've got a heightened load, and the production capacity just went away. You're going to get insufficient capacity. Also known as a blackout.Excuse me. I have to go buy a UPS real quick...
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@acrow Wind does not die down that quickly.
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Quickly? Have you never seen how slow a Windows update can be?
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Quickly? Have you never seen how slow a Windows update can be?
Do we count the 8 years it takes the O(exp) to search for updates, or only installing itself?
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@topspin Yes, of course.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
They took away the ability to programmatically change the taskbar location too.
If you can do it manually, you can do it programatically. Shouldn't even be hard. I can make a program for you if you want, 100% hands-free.
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@GÄ ska said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I can make a program for you if you want, 100% hands-free.
Do you program through dictation? Foot mouse? Eye tracking?
Oh never mind, you meant the program doesn't have any hands, right?
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@GÄ ska said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
If you can do it manually, you can do it programatically. Shouldn't even be hard.
On the one, ic hand, you're right.
On the other hand, this covers cases ranging from use of undocumented interfaces to breaking the DRM via the analog hole.
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@aitap said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
via the analog hole.
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@aitap said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@GÄ ska said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
If you can do it manually, you can do it programatically. Shouldn't even be hard.
On the one, ic hand, you're right.
On the other hand, this covers cases ranging from use of undocumented interfaces to breaking the DRM via the analog hole.
Just a little mouse automation. I've done worse.
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@GÄ ska said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
They took away the ability to programmatically change the taskbar location too.
If you can do it manually, you can do it programatically. Shouldn't even be hard. I can make a program for you if you want, 100% hands-free.
Yeah yeah, you know what I meant. :P
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
you know what I meant.
When has that ever stopped us?
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Can't wait to drop Directory Opus for this
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Directory Opus
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E_NOT_FLAT_ENOUGH
I mean, it's already a flat-ish style, but there's still, like, borders between individual things. In moderns software everything has to blend together into a single amorphous blob.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Directory Opus
https://www.gpsoft.com.au/program/ss/2.png
E_NOT_FLAT_ENOUGH
I mean, it's already a flat-ish style, but there's still, like, borders between individual things. In moderns software everything has to blend together into a single amorphous blob.
Dopus is so configurable that I'm sure you can make literally everything the same color easily.
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I had a DOpus licence in 2000 or so but I was a poor student and Iâd had bad experiences of previous round âfile managerâ tool screwing things up without keeping up to date so I never renewed the licence.
I miss DOpus but the current iteration doesnât gel with me the way the old one didâŚ
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I really hate how the volume mixer for setting the sound levels of individual apps is buried three levels deeper than before.
Good thing we have Ear Trumpet!
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@hungrier What's the Windows way of saying
shred -v /dev/${device with windows on}
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Well, maybe time to renew DOpus after all if thatâs the shit theyâre going to pull.
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@cvi it's a powershell invocation of fdisk, is what it is, give 'er a shot
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@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@acrow Wind does not die down that quickly.
Nor does a massive kinetic potential such as salt-cavern air pressure or pumped-water at elevation. But yeah, as changeable as the wind.
There's some wind on Jupiter that's apparently been kicking out 70TW of radio energy for, apparently ever. That's a lot of power, but, inconveniently located.
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@Arantor what happened to Midnight Commander?
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@Gribnit itâs a Linux app though unofficial Windows ports exist, e.g. https://sourceforge.net/projects/mcwin32/
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
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But it's proof that Microsoft can continue to distinguish between supported and unsupported PCs after you've installed the operating system
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
But it's proof that Microsoft can continue to distinguish between supported and unsupported PCs after you've installed the operating system
No mention on whether they can also distinguish it before upgrading a W10 installation. Or whether they're committed to caring about the fact.
and that the company could use that distinction to withhold updates or disable some Windows features in the future.
Is that supposed to be a penalty or a bonus? I could well do without most of the newer features.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
But it's proof that Microsoft can continue to distinguish between supported and unsupported PCs after you've installed the operating system
No mention on whether they can also distinguish it before upgrading a W10 installation.
They can - it won't automatically upgrade to W11 on unsupported hardware, and depending on what's unsuported there are extra steps involved in manually upgrading to W11.
@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Is that supposed to be a penalty or a bonus? I could well do without most of the newer features.
It depends if they start withholding security updates or not.
The important update was the recent one which put the clock back on all displays. They can withhold the rest of the feature updates.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
It depends if they start withholding security updates or not.
That assumes they still make such distinctions. Nowadays "critical bug in SSL" probably gets bundled together with 28GB of Microsoft Flight Simulator.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
It depends if they start withholding security updates or not.
Microsoft: "We want everyone to be securities!"
Also Microsoft: "If they don't into the securities, we'll make sure they don't get them!"
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@Tsaukpaetra sometimes accounting makes it over the pile of engineer skeletons and steals the mic from marketing
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
put the clock back on all displays.
oh yeah ... great jorb MS!
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Not only did they put the clock back on all displays in the last update, but the taskbar no longer breaks when the graphics drivers are updated
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@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
put the clock back on all displays.
oh yeah ... great jorb MS!As someone who's gone through a recent DST change, I briefly entertained the idea of MS somehow putting back the clock one hour in one of the displays but not the others.