WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else
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To run Doom?
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@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
To run Doom?
Surely there are easier ways of getting Doom running on a Switch than polluting it with Win11 first?
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@Arantor
but it has been done on harder things then W11 on a switch.
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@Luhmann yes but if you successfully got Win11 on there, the Doom part is basically free.
Unless… unless it’s a metaphor that the installation is simply a descent into hell, and the installing Doom part is just where the DoomSlayer is gearing up to go kick ass and take names.
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@Arantor
don't forget to bring your chainsaw!
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@Luhmann IDCHOPPER
*whirring noises start*
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Apparently unless they're doing OCR locally (which is possible, but I'm doubting), it sounds like Microsoft is automatically eating any screenshots into the cloud.
Shirley, this has no implications.
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@Tsaukpaetra it works offline so no clouds involved.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra it works offline so no clouds involved.
What are the odds it’s still sent into the cloud when you go online to better improve the AI for later?
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra it works offline so no clouds involved.
What are the odds it’s still sent into the cloud when you go online to better improve the AI for later?
Well if you didn't touch anything, My Pictures automatically gets uploaded to OneDrive, under which is Screenshots where they are automatically stored, which you can be assured is not accessible for any purpose by Microsoft.
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which you can be assured is not accessible for any purpose by Microsoft.
Why can I be assured of this? I don’t trust MS at all at this point.
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@Tsaukpaetra well yes if you tell Windows to backup to OneDrive it uploads things to the cloud.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra it works offline so no clouds involved.
I Googled it and Windows has had built-in local OCR since Windows 10. TIL.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra well yes if you tell Windows to backup to OneDrive it uploads things to the cloud.
You don't have to tell it, it will automatically do that if you leave it alone after signing into a Microsoft Account, which you will be driven into doing unless you're a l33t haxor.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra well yes if you tell Windows to backup to OneDrive it uploads things to the cloud.
You don't have to tell it, it will automatically do that if you leave it alone after signing into a Microsoft Account, which you will be driven into doing unless you're a l33t haxor.
On both of my Windows 11 computers Onedrive asked and I told it no.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
which you can be assured is not accessible for any purpose by Microsoft.
Why can I be assured of this? I don’t trust MS at all at this point.
You might want to check the calibration of your sarcasm detector.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
On both of my Windows 11 computers Onedrive asked and I told it no.
And you expect it to respect your choice? Awwww, cute.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
On both of my Windows 11 computers Onedrive asked and I told it no.
And you expect it to respect your choice? Awwww, cute.
It's what it's done for several years now
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Past performance is not indicative of future results. Especially for Microsoft.
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Checked since it was mentioned elsewhere: Microsoft Copilot was present by default, takes 0kb of disk space, and cannot be uninstalled. Set it to run in background never instead.
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checks calendar for April 1st
Is MS doing a good thing here?
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Never mind. Balance is restored.
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I’m genuinely curious who they think is the target audience for this.
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@Arantor shareholders?
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@Arantor the MBAs who decide you'll be running Windows + Office?
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@Arantor
replacing helpdesk seats with AI? have the AI watch a user and tell them specifically why they are stupid?
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@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
tell them specifically why they are stupid?
They took our jobs!!
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Luhmann said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
tell them specifically why they are stupid?
They took our jobs!!
Our new job will be explaining why the AI is right and why the user is indeed stupid.
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Well, this is it.
I can see a subset of (less technical) users liking the pitched idea for Recall (until it inevitably bites them in the ass), but I see the target audience for that feature being business who wants to spy on their workers. (Because let’s face it, this is a feature we all know big business will use if it has it. Because unlike third party solutions that break, this being first party means it should break less. inb4 of course)
What I don’t get is the business case for this feature. I assume it’s to make Copilot more palatable for the non-corp users by giving them something that on paper sounds useful but will inevitably be a shitshow, and whatever goodwill it generates won’t last long because I think gamers will get pissy when it doesn’t give them perfect answers. That group is famous for its tolerance and understanding of course ()
Unless it’s to make AI more palatable for Xbox but the question would be why you’d bother there. There’s no incentive to track people from a productivity angle, so unless it’s just about boiling the frog to make Moar Tracking palatable (with a view towards advertising everywhere), what’s the business thinking?
Even Microsoft isn’t that stupid to mount a campaign and throw this much money at it without there being a pathway they can see to “all the money”. I’m curious what it is they’re seeing (or smoking)
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They really seem to think AI is going to fix all their problems and are shoving CoPilot everywhere. Search doesn't work? Start menu shows irrelevant Bing results faster than entries in the start menu? Maybe AI will fix that.
It does remind me of @remi's rant that maybe they should build some specialized tools, but all their 5 million employees got is this shiny new hammer (which coincidentally needs a 400V three-phase plug) so everything looks like CoPilot.CoPilot for Windows update when?
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@topspin as long as it remains optional it doesn't bother me too much. I can just call it stupid and unnecessary and move on.
My concern is that so many people will turn all of this stuff off that it stops being optional, at least on the non-Enterprise versions.
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@loopback0 that’s exactly what’s going to happen in practice.
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The thing that could save us is that it's a paid feature. Even if MS loves enabling stuff behind your back, they're not going to give you something for free. And since AI is costly to run, it's unlikely to change.
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@Zerosquare the AI copy & paste linked sure, it's only in Powertoys for now anyway.
I was talking about all of this Windows AI/Copilot stuff in general though as the rest of it's not paid.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
CoPilot for Windows update when?
Microsoft has been using AI to determine their rollout strategy for updates for years now. They just haven't branded it "Copilot" yet.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
And since AI is costly to run, it's unlikely to change.
Running (or even training) the AI on your own hardware doesn't cost microsoft anything.
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@pcooper said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Using machine learning to improve the Windows 10 update experience
So when is the Windows update experience going to start improving?
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@pcooper said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Using machine learning to improve the Windows 10 update experience
So when is the Windows update experience going to start improving?
As soon as they shift from using artificial intelligence on it to actual intelligence
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@pcooper said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
Using machine learning to improve the Windows 10 update experience
So when is the Windows update experience going to start improving?
When is Windows Update going to start actually working properly?
On Windows 10, I'm running version 1809, which is a LTSB (Long Term Support Branch) version that is still supported, still being updated for 3 more years (and doesn't have a lot of the stupidity that has been added to Windows 10 in recent years).
I have to disable Windows Update because if I allow it to run, it DOESN'T update to the latest version of 1809. It updates to whatever the latest version of Windows 10 is, which is not what I want.
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
When is Windows Update going to start actually working properly?
Never
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
My concern is that so many people will turn all of this stuff off that it stops being optional, at least on the non-Enterprise versions.
Enterprises will enable it through Group Policy.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
My concern is that so many people will turn all of this stuff off that it stops being optional, at least on the non-Enterprise versions.
Enterprises will enable it through Group Policy.
Maybe but they'll at least have that option.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
My concern is that so many people will turn all of this stuff off that it stops being optional, at least on the non-Enterprise versions.
Enterprises will enable it through Group Policy.
True, but irrelevant to what @loopback0 said.
Also, Group Policy is not available on the "Home" version of Windows.
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@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I’m genuinely curious who they think is the target audience for this.
They made the to have programs that measure activity based on mouse movement and keyboard usage. Now they can get automatic summaries of what actually happened for eight hours of weird mouse movement...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@Arantor said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
I’m genuinely curious who they think is the target audience for this.
They made the to have programs that measure activity based on mouse movement and keyboard usage. Now they can get automatic summaries of what actually happened for eight hours of weird mouse movement...
if you as a manager need a tool like that to ensure your employees are "working" to your standards....
you are (pick at least 4):
- Not providing enough leadership to your employees
- not providing enough support to your employees
- micromanaging
- excessively micromanaging
- promoting a toxic work environment
- tracking work by "butts in seat time" rather than "deliverables"
and as a worker if your job is doing this shit to you...... get an exit strategy and execute it because you're being treated as a fungible asset not a valued worker.
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@accalia said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
micromanaging
excessively micromanagingRedundant. Any non-zero amount of micromanagement is excessive.
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@accalia said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
you're being treated as a fungible asset
Ugh. I don't even like mushrooms.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@accalia said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
you're being treated as a fungible asset
Ugh. I don't even like mushrooms.
Well, it is the nature of corporate drones to be kept in the dark and fed shit so... mushroom it is.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
@accalia said in WTF is happening with Windows 11? And nothing else:
micromanaging
excessively micromanagingRedundant. Any non-zero amount of micromanagement is excessive.
Definitionally -- management that isn't excessively fine grained wouldn't be called "micromanagement". Just like too much of anything is bad... That's why they call it "too much".