Gamer is the new audiophile
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Ever sat there weeping and moaning, “waaaaah, my fingers are too slow, if only I could control mouse activation with the power of my nerves directly”?
No? Well that’s because you’re not a gamer.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/impulse-neuro-controller-for-pc-gaming
With this amazing hand weight, you can press buttons 40 MILLISECONDS SOONER. That’s, like, a quarter of the usual latency. And bonus machine learning for those times you were too stupid to actually intend to click!
https://s8.gifyu.com/images/ComparisonGIF_v2_IGG.gif
And if that’s not enough to win you every single game ever, well, go back to your candy crushes and leave the True Gamers alone.
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@kazitor It's also dishonest, since:
- They claim that it measures "nerve impulses" in, apparently, the back of the hand (and in any event, in the hand), which isn't really where the interesting muscles are.
- Those muscles are in the opposite side of the forearm, up near the elbow, so even if the electrodes are on the palm, it won't actually be able to read what's sent to the muscles.
- There are some fairly long tendons that actually carry the mechanical action to the fingers, and it may be measuring when they tense up because of the muscles, and getting a head start on the fingers curling enough to press the mouse button.
- But that's not measuring nerve impulses.
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Meh. Pretty much a decade ago, OCZ sold the NIA, strapped directly to your head. Wikipedia has an article, Anandtech has some images.
(I actually had bought one. Really usable? Doubtful. Fun to mess around with? Yes. The input mapping of facial muscle twitch to rocket launcher in Unreal Tournament was great. Not useful. But great nevertheless.)
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@kazitor It's also dishonest, since:
- They claim that it measures "nerve impulses" in, apparently, the back of the hand (and in any event, in the hand), which isn't really where the interesting muscles are.
- Those muscles are in the opposite side of the forearm, up near the elbow, so even if the electrodes are on the palm, it won't actually be able to read what's sent to the muscles.
- There are some fairly long tendons that actually carry the mechanical action to the fingers, and it may be measuring when they tense up because of the muscles, and getting a head start on the fingers curling enough to press the mouse button.
- But that's not measuring nerve impulses.
- You can format a paragraph with a bullet point after each full stop.
- That doesn't make it a list.
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- maybe use numbers.
- does that make lists.
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- Profit!
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@Steve_The_Cynic Also, nerves are actually pretty slow compared to electrical wiring. So there's the time from brain-to-hand to supposedly register the signal once it reaches the hand. So that also raises the question of why not measure the signal closer to the source to cut out latency? Oh, right. It's a kickstarter by dumb people made of dumb for dumb people made of even more dumb.
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@Atazhaia said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
nerves are actually pretty slow compared to electrical wiring
True, but they're fast by comparison with muscles.
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@Atazhaia said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@Steve_The_Cynic Also, nerves are actually pretty slow compared to electrical wiring. So there's the time from brain-to-hand to supposedly register the signal once it reaches the hand. So that also raises the question of why not measure the signal closer to the source to cut out latency? Oh, right. It's a kickstarter by dumb people made of dumb for dumb people made of even more dumb.
It's like complaining that consoles finally getting 60FPS is bad because they could of make it 120FPS but didn't.
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@strangeways mine is a meta-joke in that there should be no "have" anyway.
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@strangeways said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@Gąska said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
could of
Noooo, not you too! 😭😭😭
The time have grammar is over. Now is the time have usage. I don't see how you couldn't of seen this coming.
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@kazitor I don't really care about nerve induction technology except that it feels like the first infantile steps toward my true dream technology- full-on, jack directly into the brainstem, Matrix-style virtual reality simulation.
I don't expect it to be possible in my lifetime, and there are naturally serious risks and concerns it would raise, but it is definitely something I'm watching with interest.
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@Gribnit said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@strangeways said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@Gąska said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
could of
Noooo, not you too! 😭😭😭
The time have grammar is over. Now is the time have usage. I don't see how you couldn't of seen this coming.
ITYM grammer
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@error said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
my true dream technology- full-on, jack directly into the brainstem, Matrix-style virtual reality simulation.
You're a WTDWTF regular. You know how bad things look from the outside, and how terrible they are inside. Don't you think the existing brainworms are already bad enough?!
Filed under: BrainJS. (Because we all know someone will do it.)
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@Zerosquare said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
BrainJS
Not sure what's worse, some "send me the codez" monkeys messing with JS or some C guys putting buffer overflows in your brain.
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@topspin Demons would literally fly out your nose
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@error said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
and there are naturally serious risks and concerns it would raise
Everyone dies of obesity/diabetes while
sittingreclining in overstuffed chairs?
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@dcon said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@error said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
and there are naturally serious risks and concerns it would raise
Everyone dies of obesity/diabetes while
sittingreclining in overstuffed chairs?
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@hungrier said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@topspin Demons would literally fly out your nose
Oh pleez. We all know what this will be used for. So they definitely won't be flying out of your nose!
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@kazitor I wouldn't compare this to audiophile. At least in the extreme sense of the word.
Is it stupid? Yes. Is it trying to purport 24 karat gold is part of the reason response times are super high? No.
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@topspin said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@Zerosquare said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
BrainJS
Not sure what's worse, some "send me the codez" monkeys messing with JS or some C guys putting buffer overflows in your brain.
What about Brainfuck?
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@dcon said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@error said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
and there are naturally serious risks and concerns it would raise
Everyone dies of obesity/diabetes while
sittingreclining in overstuffed chairs?Coronavirus thread is
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@coderpatsy said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@topspin said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@Zerosquare said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
BrainJS
Not sure what's worse, some "send me the codez" monkeys messing with JS or some C guys putting buffer overflows in your brain.
What about Brainfuck?
Literally.
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@coderpatsy said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@topspin said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@Zerosquare said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
BrainJS
Not sure what's worse, some "send me the codez" monkeys messing with JS or some C guys putting buffer overflows in your brain.
What about Brainfuck?
Seems dangerous but takes forever to accomplish anything.
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@coderpatsy said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@topspin said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@Zerosquare said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
BrainJS
Not sure what's worse, some "send me the codez" monkeys messing with JS or some C guys putting buffer overflows in your brain.
What about Brainfuck?
Support for network I/O is a bit weak for practical usage.
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@coderpatsy said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
What about Brainfuck?
Isn't it what @Tsaukpaetra runs on?
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@Zerosquare I have been summoned, and so I appear.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@Zerosquare I have been summoned, and so I appear.
Query. Brain. Fuck?
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@Gribnit said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@Zerosquare I have been summoned, and so I appear.
Query. Brain. Fuck?
Fucking brains!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@Gribnit said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@Zerosquare I have been summoned, and so I appear.
Query. Brain. Fuck?
Fucking brains!
Sorry, I didn't know you were busy.
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I expected it was about people comparing things like an rtx 3080 and a xbox series X that I've seen on youtube.
I think anything above a gtx 1050 is near-audiophile stuff
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@dkf said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
Support for network I/O is a bit weak for practical usage.
Memory mapped IO? Just map the appropriate registers/buffers into Brainfuck's address space, and you're "good" to go.
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Facebook is making a bracelet that lets you control computers with your brain
The device would let you interact with Facebook’s upcoming augmented-reality glasses just by thinking.
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@cvi said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
Memory mapped IO?
You really need interrupts as well, and the way you interact with some parts of the PHY controller (the pseudo-digital bits that actually talk to the ethernet cable) is tricky. I don't want to look at that code again though…
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@Dragoon said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
The device would let you interact with Facebook’s upcoming augmented-reality glasses just by thinking.
I control computers with my brain. Via a keyboard, touchpad, mouse, touchscreen, etc.
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@dkf said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
You really need interrupts as well,
Just need hardware that lets you poll instead.
Nope, not volunteering to write that code either. Or run it.
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@cvi said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@dkf said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
You really need interrupts as well,
Just need hardware that lets you poll instead.
Nope, not volunteering to write that code either. Or run it.
You also need hardware that can be driven while the CPU only does read-increment-write or read-decrement-write and no pure writes.
The interface we use to receive network packets from the kernel only requires system calls in setup. You can also use a system call to wait for new data if the buffer is empty but that could be replaced by a busywait. See https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/packet_mmap.txt.
That's read-only though; the write version does require system calls.
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@PleegWat I've played around with serial communication hardware that can be driven completely from the host side, i.e., without requiring interrupts. But that was on microcontroller-level hardware. Even there, using the interrupts was highly recommended (and was actually much easier to make things work reliably).
I guess you could compile brainfuck down to run on a microcontroller, but I'll leave that particular level of insanity for someone else to explore.
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I don't think I've ever encountered any interrupt-based hardware that didn't also allow polling. Which is useful for debugging, or in contexts where interrupts are either not available or troublesome. Or if you're doing a quick proof-of-concept and you're
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@Zerosquare said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
I don't think I've ever encountered any interrupt-based hardware that didn't also allow polling.
But you do need to be able to read and write a whole word at a time. A loop with decrementing won't work.
You need a BF extension to one-step copy a word between two locations.
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@dkf said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
You need a BF extension to one-step copy a word between two locations.
Pretty sure the BF extension would just loudly explain to you what the word means and why it needs to be copied. You need the GF to actually accomplish anything.
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@izzion said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@dkf said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
You need a BF extension to one-step copy a word between two locations.
Pretty sure the BF extension would just loudly explain to you what the word means and why it needs to be copied. You need the GF to actually accomplish anything.
This could be an endianness issue, I have observed similar modulo signum in various architectures.
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Just found this one:
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@Kamil-Podlesak I'm waiting until they provide a mod kit for mounting the spray inside a VR headset so that I can get my eyes re-hydrated automatically without having to think about it.
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Gamers are so incredibly stupid that you could easily sell them gaming butt plugs, if only:
- advertisement told them that it would enhance their performance, or something about 'more fps'
- it had rgb leds
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@MrL said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
Gamers are so incredibly stupid that you could easily sell them gaming butt plugs, if only:
- advertisement told them that it would enhance their performance, or something about 'more fps'
- it had rgb leds
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@MrL said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
Gamers are so incredibly stupid that you could easily sell them gaming butt plugs, if only:
To be fair, even as a person who buys games at a rate of about four per century, I'd buy some.
Buttplug
Open-source, cross-platform libraries and applications for intimate hardware control, including sex toys, health devices, and more. - Buttplug
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@LaoC said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
@MrL said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
Gamers are so incredibly stupid that you could easily sell them gaming butt plugs, if only:
To be fair, even as a person who buys games at a rate of about four per century, I'd buy some.
Buttplug
Open-source, cross-platform libraries and applications for intimate hardware control, including sex toys, health devices, and more. - Buttplug
BoEF4IOT...
We do have a dedicated Teledildonics thread, BTW
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@Zerosquare said in Gamer is the new audiophile:
I don't think I've ever encountered any interrupt-based hardware that didn't also allow polling. Which is useful for debugging, or in contexts where interrupts are either not available or troublesome. Or if you're doing a quick proof-of-concept and you're
Amiga, maybe?
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