Unicode went woke
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@topspin said in Unicode went woke:
@boomzilla said in Unicode went woke:
@heterodox said in Unicode went woke:
@sloosecannon said in Unicode went woke:
It's "not a crime" because there's no "injured party", therefore enforcement of the crime is "invalid".
It's decently logical until you realize it's entirely not how it works and believing it is absolutely nutcase ridiculous...There's not an injured party and it also doesn't require mens rea. At least in my jurisdiction, believing it isn't quite ridiculous... speeding isn't a crime. It's neither a misdemeanor nor a felony, it's a traffic offense. It won't show up on a criminal record check but on a driving record check. A different court handles it than the criminal court.
In Virginia if you're good enough at speeding it can be a crime.
I guess the answer to that is that the charge is reckless driving, not speeding.
We've had decision here by the highest court not too long ago that it can be murder, if you kill someone in a street race (doing 150kph in the city limits, driving next to each other on a two-lane street and running red lights), because under the right circumstances, it is basically premeditated.
Since it's not the job of that court to decide specific cases, I'm not sure what the outcome of that one was. I only know it got sent back to lower courts with the decision that they can charge murder.They upheld the murder charge, afaik.
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@heterodox said in Unicode went woke:
At least in my jurisdiction, believing it isn't quite ridiculous... speeding isn't a crime. It's neither a misdemeanor nor a felony, it's a traffic offense.
Definitely varies between places! Here speeding starts as a petty misdemeanor, which is still a crime but one whose main penalty is a low level fine and whose trial is in front of a judge instead of a jury. The piece of paper we call a speeding ticket is a combination of:
- A citation/police report of the violation and evidence involved.
- A summons to court for your trial.
- A form for pleading guilty and paying the fine without going to court. (Nowadays this points you to a website, at least at the state level. :(
While they are technically a crime, I don't think most folks in our state think of them that way.
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@topspin said in Unicode went woke:
We've had decision here by the highest court not too long ago that it can be murder
Yeah, I disagree with that court. As I understand that word, murder requires intention to kill, rather than just not giving a damn about it. For that to have been murder, it would have required that the perpetrators' thought process would have been something along these lines:
: Let's go kill people today.
: Good idea. Who?
: IDGAF, let's go, we'll find someone!
: Damn, we don't have guns to shoot them with. What else could we use?
: Well, cars can kill people. We could maybe try having a race?
Hmm, yeah we can try; but you better hope we'll find someone on the road to hit!That's of course not entirely impossible but I have my doubts.
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@ixvedeusi said in Unicode went woke:
As I understand that word, murder requires intention to kill, rather than just not giving a damn about it.
That is incorrect:
For the non-German-speaking folks: In Germany and Switzerland, it doesn't matter whether you intentionally committed a crime or knew there was a realistic chance you would commit said crime while doing something else and did it anyway. The legal consequences are the same if said crime eventually happens.
This is different from negligence, where you either didn't know the risk or knew of the theoretical risk, but assumed nothing serious would happen. (Yes, the distinction requires making assumptions about the perpetrator's state of mind during the crime based on the available evidence.)
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@dfdub said in Unicode went woke:
The legal consequences are the same.
TIL, but that part specifically I don't really object to. That just means that they did something which is exactly as bad as murder, as far as the law is concerned. I wouldn't want to argue against that. Still wrong to my ears to actually call it murder, though, because words have meanings.
And inb4 "that's what murder now means": if this indeed only applies to Germany and Switzerland (), at best it's what "Mord" now means in a legal context. The English word "murder" cannot be affected by Germanic legal practice!
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@ixvedeusi
Well, the legal definition of a word and the dictionary definition are rarely the same and if they are, that's just a happy coincidence. Hence the term "Legalese".
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@hungrier said in Unicode went woke:
@cvi said in Unicode went woke:
Writing this, I realize that what Unicode really needs is a method for grouping. I.e., is the above an egg-room with steam, or an egg and a room-with-steam?
Two types of zero width joiner: left-ass joiner and right ass-joiner
@error_bot xkcd intensifier donkeys
Looks like my pull request didn't make it:
https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/24502/new-skype-sucks-big-green-donkey-dicks-hows-that-for-a-longer-title/102
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@ixvedeusi said in Unicode went woke:
@dfdub said in Unicode went woke:
The legal consequences are the same.
TIL, but that part specifically I don't really object to. That just means that they did something which is exactly as bad as murder, as far as the law is concerned. I wouldn't want to argue against that. Still wrong to my ears to actually call it murder, though, because words have meanings.
And inb4 "that's what murder now means": if this indeed only applies to Germany and Switzerland (), at best it's what "Mord" now means in a legal context. The English word "murder" cannot be affected by Germanic legal practice!
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It’s similar in argument as what @boomzilla mentioned:
They did not plan to kill a specific person, but they basically knew beforehand that if someone happened to be on the road they’d probably die. Which is just what happened.
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@ixvedeusi said in Unicode went woke:
That just means that they did something which is exactly as bad as murder, as far as the law is concerned. I wouldn't want to argue against that. Still wrong to my ears to actually call it murder, though, because words have meanings.
There are different kinds of murder, at least when you get into the ry of the law. How we feel about various things morally is important but words may have different connotations depending on the subject at hand.
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@bjolling said in Unicode went woke:
@hungrier said in Unicode went woke:
@cvi said in Unicode went woke:
Writing this, I realize that what Unicode really needs is a method for grouping. I.e., is the above an egg-room with steam, or an egg and a room-with-steam?
Two types of zero width joiner: left-ass joiner and right ass-joiner
@error_bot xkcd intensifier donkeys
Looks like my pull request didn't make it:
https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/24502/new-skype-sucks-big-green-donkey-dicks-hows-that-for-a-longer-title/102You didn't title it "Here's my sweet-ass pull request", did you?
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@loopback0 said in Unicode went woke:
@ixvedeusi said in Unicode went woke:
Why should I care, as long as that results in the correct glyph being rendered?
Imagine, if you will, a world where people go looking for reasons to get upset about things. And then get upset anyway even if they don't find one.
Like people getting offended at a bearded woman despite there being demonstrably more of those than men in business suite levitating?
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@Jaloopa Really,
LEVITATING
should've been a modifier
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@hungrier combine it with vomiting and you're really starting to get somewhere
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@Jaloopa
LEVITATING
‍VOMITING
‍EIGHT_POINTED_STAR
‍WITH_A_BEARD
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@hungrier said in Unicode went woke:
LEVITATING‍VOMITING
That already produces the emoji for VR space sims, right?
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@hungrier said in Unicode went woke:
@Jaloopa Really,
LEVITATING
should've been a modifierI'm looking forward to someone saying that PLANE is no longer necessary: LEVITATING
‍
BUS will do just fine…
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AQUATIC
‍
LEVITATING‍
FULL_OF_EELS‍
BUS
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@Zecc said in Unicode went woke:
FULL_OF_EELS
Given that emoji come originally from Japan, there really should be one for
TENTACLE
…
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🦑 is available as a fallback.
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@dkf said in Unicode went woke:
@Zecc said in Unicode went woke:
FULL_OF_EELS
Given that emoji come originally from Japan, there really should be one for
TENTACLE
…@Zerosquare said in Unicode went woke:
🦑 is available as a fallback.
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@TwelveBaud said in Unicode went woke:
@dfdub said in Unicode went woke:
Now you just have to find a font that actually supports that.
Most do. Most software, on the other hand, treat emoji as Speshul and have Speshul Parsing for them. Twitter, for example, replaces all emoji they recognize with their own images, which breaks emoji they don't recognize (such as used-to-not-be-emoji with a text presentation selector).
Does Twitter accept using a backslash as an escape character to prevent emojization of strings of characters?
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@djls45 I think Twitter (the service) doesn't care. That's all on your client.
Which is how it should be. One of the things they've actually got about right.
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@dkf ???
@TwelveBaud had saidTwitter, for example, replaces all emoji they recognize with their own images
Which I took to mean that when writing/posting a tweet, they'll replace stuff. And I wanted to know if that could be overridden to force the actual text.
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@djls45 I think the only thing they replace are unicode emotes. E.g. 🕴 ->
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@hungrier Fun fact: MAN_IN_SUIT_LEVITATING is supposed to default to text presentation. You're supposed to have to add a VARIATION_SELECTOR_EMOJI to the end to make it an emoticon.
What I'm talking about is if you type "👩🏼🌾", Twitter (used to) spit out , even if your browser would have no problem displaying or . And, to answer @djls45, no you can't escape it. I'm pretty sure Twitter doesn't re-render it properly when they implement Emoji 4.0 and it's stuck in the incorrect presentation forever.
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@hungrier Ah, so Twitter doesn't have text-to-emoji replacements like we do (e.g.
:man_in_suit_levitating:
->)?
That's what I thought we were talking about, but if they just convert unicode emoji to their own emoticons, then I was misunderstanding.It doesn't help that there's apparently overlap in the verbiage.
Emoji to me just meant textual representations of facial expressions, like :) or :'(
I guess it now also includes certain unicode characters...?
And emoticons are the little inline images, but sometimes those are called emoji, too.
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@djls45 said in Unicode went woke:
It doesn't help that there's apparently overlap in the verbiage.
Emoji to me just meant textual representations of facial expressions, like :) or :'(I've always understood those to be the emoticons, long predating emoji.
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The way I understand it, emojis are the ones in Unicode, and emoticons are the combinations of regular ASCII characters that are sometimes replace by images by the application.
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@djls45 said in Unicode went woke:
@hungrier Ah, so Twitter doesn't have text-to-emoji replacements like we do (e.g.
:man_in_suit_levitating:
->)?
That's what I thought we were talking about, but if they just convert unicode emoji to their own emoticons, then I was misunderstanding.It doesn't help that there's apparently overlap in the verbiage.
Emoji to me just meant textual representations of facial expressions, like :) or :'(
I guess it now also includes certain unicode characters...?
And emoticons are the little inline images, but sometimes those are called emoji, too.“Emoticon” used to refer to
:-)
and its variations — but a lot of people (me included) just call(ed) that a “smiley”.Then, with the rise of web forums, the name “emoticon” was applied to -like images as well/instead (depending on who you talk to).
As I understand it, “emoji” has always refered to the Japanese-started, much wider range of such symbols.
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@Gurth said in Unicode went woke:
“Emoticon” used to refer to
:-)
and its variations — but a lot of people (me included) just call(ed) that a “smiley”.Then, with the rise of web forums, the name “emoticon” was applied to -like images as well/instead (depending on who you talk to).
i've always known the
:)
etc as smilies.
Forums used to call the -like images smilies too - phpBB, Xenforo etc still do.I encountered the term emoticon in MSN/Windows Messenger back in the day.
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@error said in Unicode went woke:
Looks more "dirty hippie" than "woman with a beard."
long hair ≠ woman
Some of those Jesuses are weirdly white looking.