Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!
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@jinpa said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@lolwhat 87%. I doubt there were any vaccines prior to 2020 that had anywhere near that level of adverse reactions.
That includes "local reaction" and "headache", so I'd figure you get that from pretty much every vaccine.
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@topspin From every vaccine some people get that, but for any other vaccine it's a few percent, not anywhere close to 87%.
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@Bulb said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin From every vaccine some people get that, but for any other vaccine it's a few percent, not anywhere close to 87%.
I've never had a tetanus shot without a local reaction, nor has anyone in my family. Prevalence is 50-80% for erythema, oedema and pain according to WHO. 20% get "severe pain" from the diphteria vaccine. None of my rabies shots was without side effects either; generally it's 60-89.5% prevalence for local reactions.
For kids it's completely routine—they get vaccinated, they get a fever for a day or so, at least for injected vaccines. Perfectly normal and expected.
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Individuals with COVID-19 vaccination had a higher risk of all forms of retinal vascular occlusion in 2 years after vaccination, with an overall hazard ratio of 2.19 (95% confidence interval 2.00–2.39). The cumulative incidence of retinal vascular occlusion was significantly higher in the vaccinated cohort compared to the unvaccinated cohort, 2 years and 12 weeks after vaccination. The risk of retinal vascular occlusion significantly increased during the first 2 weeks after vaccination and persisted for 12 weeks. Additionally, individuals with first and second dose of BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273 had significantly increased risk of retinal vascular occlusion 2 years following vaccination, while no disparity was detected between brand and dose of vaccines. This large multicenter study strengthens the findings of previous cases. Retinal vascular occlusion may not be a coincidental finding after COVID-19 vaccination.
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@Applied-Mediocrity that is surprising. Who is still getting shots?
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@boomzilla I believe it's because governments (like ours) had purchase contracts of x units per time period. Now, want it or not, they have to be paid for.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Applied-Mediocrity that is surprising. Who is still getting shots?
They announced next round of shots just a month or two ago around here. But I don't know if it was met with any significant response.
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@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I don't know if it was met with any significant response.
is a significant response?
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@HardwareGeek said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I don't know if it was met with any significant response.
is a significant response?
Enough to get called Russian paid troll in mass media, that's for sure.
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Masked weirdos spotted. First sighting in two months.
Still not extinct, it seems.
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@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Masked weirdos spotted.
Don't worry, they may just be bank robbers.
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@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Masked weirdos spotted. First sighting in two months.
Still not extinct, it seems.I see them every once in a while in as well, where we didn't go full retard with mandatory masking. Lord knows what kind of brain damage they have.
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@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Masked weirdos spotted. First sighting in two months.
Still not extinct, it seems.I saw one this morning. Masked up while riding a bicycle in a country park.
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@loopback0 Anaerobic exercise, natch
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@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Masked weirdos spotted.
Don't worry, they may just be bank robbers.
Bank robbers wouldn't wear N95 respirators. Though … it could be a good disguise these days.
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@Bulb said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Masked weirdos spotted.
Don't worry, they may just be bank robbers.
Bank robbers wouldn't wear N95 respirators.
Neither do the weirdos still wearing masks here. Or most of the people wearing them when they were mandated.
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Summer Games Done Quick is requiring attendees to:
- Be fully vaccinated with the most recent booster shot (if getting newly vaccinated, final dose must have been between March and May of this year)
- Wear N95 masks at all times in the convention hall
- Be willing to subject to testing at any time at the discretion of the convention’s safety staff, and will be barred from the convention hall without a negative required test.
In what I’m sure is a completely unrelated coincidence, they’ve shattered their previous record for ticket availability, going from typically selling out in hours to having over half of their tickets still available with 3 weeks to go before the event.
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@loopback0 said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Bulb said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Zerosquare said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Masked weirdos spotted.
Don't worry, they may just be bank robbers.
Bank robbers wouldn't wear N95 respirators.
Neither do the weirdos still wearing masks here. Or most of the people wearing them when they were mandated.
Yeah, Czechia is special. Here they eventually mandated N95 respirators or surgical nanofibre masks, not just any piece of cloth. So naturally the weirdos who keep wearing them mostly keep wearing the N95 respirators.
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@Bulb I mean, if you're wearing one voluntarily, you might as well wear a real one instead of a stinky sock. Although, people who wear a mask on a bike probably aren't big in the thinking department.
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@topspin Most people aren't. In the states, it wasn't until a favored group of people started protesting and rioting for weeks on end regarding an unrelated matter that the authorities were finally forced to admit that being in the outside air diluted the ambient concentration of the virus. Prior to that you were expected (in my county mandated) to wear a mask even when outside. Even when there weren't others nearby.
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@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Masked weirdos spotted.
Pollen allergy.
Masks do help for that!
(in contrast to the 'rona)
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@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
people who wear a mask on a bike probably aren't big in the thinking department.
Wearing a mask on bike is good when the weather is cold, or when there's too much dust in the air. Though speed of cyclingmay have to be reduced a little.
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@BernieTheBernie not a surgical mask, which is what the person I saw was wearing.
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@BernieTheBernie said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Masked weirdos spotted.
Pollen allergy.
Masks do help for that!
(in contrast to the 'rona)Huh, I’ll have to try that…
But I prefer the “stay the fuck inside” solution.
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@loopback0 said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@BernieTheBernie not a surgical mask, which is what the person I saw was wearing.
It is good enough - I have experiencxe with that, already before the 'rona.
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@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@BernieTheBernie said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Masked weirdos spotted.
Pollen allergy.
Masks do help for that!
(in contrast to the 'rona)Huh, I’ll have to try that…
But I prefer the “stay the fuck inside” solution.ISTR reading Alan Turing used a WW2 gas mask for that purpose.
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@LaoC I need to get better at this, but alas …
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@BernieTheBernie said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Masked weirdos spotted.
Pollen allergy.
Masks do help for that!
(in contrast to the 'rona)No pollen around this time of year AFAIK. At Warsaw airport departue terminal even less so. Clearly covid freaks.
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@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
No pollen around this time of year AFAIK.
We've had very high pollen levels for a few weeks. Fortunately not yet of types that I'm sensitive to; they come a bit later on.
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Slovenia is about to pay back fines for the 'rona - the constitutional court found some laws unconstitutional...
An aticle in German ( prevented me from searching for an english version)
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Hmm.
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@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
The comment section... oh my.
The survey is about vaccinations in Canada, so it's no surprise to find a bunch of Loonies.
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@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@lolwhat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Hmm.
The comment section... oh my.
A chilling reminder that reversed stupidity isn't intelligence, no matter how many times you reverse it.
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@GOG Thinking of a mathematical and funny comment, but I can not find a good solution...
rot13(stupidity) -> stupidity rot13(rot13(stupidity)) -> stupidity
Can someone else here find a qunatum jump to get it funny?
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@GOG said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
A chilling reminder that reversed stupidity isn't intelligence, no matter how many times you reverse it.
That's so true. It's
ytidiputs
of course.
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@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@BernieTheBernie said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Masked weirdos spotted.
Pollen allergy.
Masks do help for that!
(in contrast to the 'rona)No pollen around this time of year AFAIK. At Warsaw airport departue terminal even less so. Clearly covid freaks.
In some (east-asian countries), masks are quite common - especially when someone gets any respiratory disease (ie cold). Which is not a bad practice. Although there are also people who wear it to prevent catching any such disease, which is....
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@Kamil-Podlesak said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@BernieTheBernie said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@MrL said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Masked weirdos spotted.
Pollen allergy.
Masks do help for that!
(in contrast to the 'rona)No pollen around this time of year AFAIK. At Warsaw airport departue terminal even less so. Clearly covid freaks.
In some (east-asian countries), masks are quite common - especially when someone gets any respiratory disease (ie cold). Which is not a bad practice. Although there are also people who wear it to prevent catching any such disease, which is....
They may also be wearing masks to reduce the impact of local air pollution.
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In conclusion, we believe that the Covid outbreak on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, the supposed “worst case virus mill,” looks mild in isolation, and it looks very mild when compared to the first wave in New York City and elsewhere (e.g., Northern Italy). Testing data from the Diamond Princess arguably indicates that the severity may well have been even milder than generally believed, and clearly was of no danger to the non-elderly.
The Diamond Princess event should have demonstrated to officials early on that this was not a particularly dangerous virus to the broad population, and that it certainly did not justify unprecedented draconian measures on a population-wide basis.
Second, it is clear from the above discussion that something else beyond Covid or the spread of a respiratory virus was responsible for a significant majority of the “first-wave” excess deaths in NYC.
Third, more likely causes of the unprecedented excess mortality in NYC need to be considered, including iatrogenic harms, psychological effects, neglect, panic stoked by constant media propaganda, ill-advised use of ventilators and sedatives, and policies relating to residents in care homes. If these were indeed the causes behind the excess in deaths in NYC in early 2020, a tragic proportion of the deaths were avoidable.
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@lolwhat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
In conclusion, we believe that the Covid outbreak on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, the supposed “worst case virus mill,” looks mild in isolation, and it looks very mild when compared to the first wave in New York City and elsewhere (e.g., Northern Italy). Testing data from the Diamond Princess arguably indicates that the severity may well have been even milder than generally believed, and clearly was of no danger to the non-elderly.
The Diamond Princess event should have demonstrated to officials early on that this was not a particularly dangerous virus to the broad population, and that it certainly did not justify unprecedented draconian measures on a population-wide basis.
Second, it is clear from the above discussion that something else beyond Covid or the spread of a respiratory virus was responsible for a significant majority of the “first-wave” excess deaths in NYC.
Third, more likely causes of the unprecedented excess mortality in NYC need to be considered, including iatrogenic harms, psychological effects, neglect, panic stoked by constant media propaganda, ill-advised use of ventilators and sedatives, and policies relating to residents in care homes. If these were indeed the causes behind the excess in deaths in NYC in early 2020, a tragic proportion of the deaths were avoidable.
This all seems so familiar somehow.
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@lolwhat said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
That's already well known. Just look in the Covid Nuremberg thread.
Just kidding, nothing's there.
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@lolwhat "Watts received two doses of Pfizer vaccines, 'an unlicensed product produced under the auspices of the DOD '". The Department of Defense produced the vaccine? That explains a lot.
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A milestone of sorts: