Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!
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@jinpa said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I think you anticipated the problem with these two sentences in conjunction with each other. I guess you were hoping it would never come to this. Hopefully you'll work out the problem and they'll forgive you.
(I don't have a business, but I sympathize with your problems.)You misunderstood what I was trying to say. It is entirely possible that I phrased it poorly. Sometimes things make sense when you work them out in your head, but not when others read them as they don't have all the context that you do.
No one is blaming me or us. One person sort of started to and I reminded them of their decision when we implemented and then they realized their error.
On the bright side, we are nowhere near max capacity on our systems as of yet. The expense of moving all of their systems to our disaster recovery virtualization has put some off of moving as of right now. We will see what happens. Those that have not moved yet have been notified and acknowledged that it is first come, first serve. One of the saving graces is that our largest client will not be moving because it will not do them any good. If they have to close their buildings their operations will stop and at that point it becomes
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@Polygeekery
We got The Question from our Director of Operations about a week and a half ago, and I was like "well, we have all the licensing we need, but we've never enforced split tunneling on the VPN so the whole thing will probably tip over if everyone is working from home with their usual media running in the background" (yes, we have people that watch Twitch streams while at work. no I don't escalate that to the DOO since it doesn't cause a measurable impact on our download pipeline under normal circumstances). So we put the split tunneling together 2 weekends ago, ran some 50% remote work tests last week, and adjusted some of the split-tunnel rules accordingly last weekend. We go 100% remote work tomorrow
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Deliverers! Deliverers! Deliverers!
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@izzion said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
but we've never enforced split tunneling on the VPN
That is the first thing we do unless requested otherwise. Without a valid need, or complete blocking of unnecessary traffic while on VPN, you are asking for trouble.
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I'd ping a couple Germans but I don't want to come out as pestering. Also, the replies there are a goldmine.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Deliverers! Deliverers! Deliverers!
Hmmm. Could the virus be a plot by Amazon?
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@jinpa said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Deliverers! Deliverers! Deliverers!
Hmmm. Could the virus be a plot by Amazon?
COVID conspiracy theory thread is in the .
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@Polygeekery
Yeah. There's times that not split tunneling helps (say, accessing Azure resources that are firewall restricted to just the office network... since ASA split tunnel policies are f-ing stupid in how you have to set them up), but overall it was mostly just something we never got around to because we were too small to feel the ill effects of not split tunneling (our pre-corona peak concurrent VPN usage was 9 people).
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I'd ping a couple Germans but I don't want to come out as pestering. Also, the replies there are a goldmine.
The weird thing is that the owner (Dietmar Hopp with 90% of the shares) says something rather different:
SPORT1: US President Donald Trump allegedly wanted to pay around $ 1 billion for the exclusive right to the new coronavirus vaccine. Why didn't you go for that?
Dietmar Hopp: For me that goes without saying, it cannot be that a German company is developing the vaccine and that it is used exclusively in the USA. That was not an option for me.
SPORT1: How did the contact with the US president go?
Hopp: I personally have not spoken to Mr. Trump. He spoke to the company and they immediately told me what I thought of it and I knew immediately that it was out of the question.
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@izzion my company has never allowed split tunneling and they blocked out lots of streaming sites (not to mention webmail) a long time ago. It's why I used to only connect to the VPN with a VM. Since I got my new work machine last June I've been using a KVM to play media, shitpost, etc on my personal machine and switch over to my work machine for work.
The hardest part about getting used to it was learning not to use the right control key, because my KVM uses double tapping that to split the screens between the two machines. Which sounds cool, but it totally freaks out Windows' monitor management and is a PITA to fix to get it to display on both monitors when I want to go back to that.
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I'd ping a couple Germans but I don't want to come out as pestering. Also, the replies there are a goldmine.
The weird thing is that the owner (Dietmar Hopp with 90% of the shares) says something rather different:
Hmm....(translated by Google):
I personally didn't speak to Mr. Trump. He spoke to the company and they immediately told me what I thought of it and I knew right away that it was out of the question.
I think what the company is officially saying has more credibility than this.
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@boomzilla He's the owner.
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla He's the owner.
Who didn't speak to Trump and offered very little in the way of details and is contradicting the people who actually were at the discussions. Not sure why I'm bothering to argue with you, but this whole subthread seemed like it should be in the thread from the start.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla He's the owner.
Who didn't speak to Trump and offered very little in the way of details and is contradicting the people who actually were at the discussions. Not sure why I'm bothering to argue with you, but this whole subthread seemed like it should be in the thread from the start.
Actually, they fired the sole guy who was at the discussions. Under weird circumstances.
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla He's the owner.
Who didn't speak to Trump and offered very little in the way of details and is contradicting the people who actually were at the discussions. Not sure why I'm bothering to argue with you, but this whole subthread seemed like it should be in the thread from the start.
Actually, they fired the sole guy who was at the discussions. Under weird circumstances.
Probably because he started spreading this rumor.
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Went to a hardware store earlier. I needed denatured alcohol. Completely sold out. Not a bottle on the shelves.
I imagine people are buying it to make some sort of hand sanitizer and that seems like it would be a truly bad idea.
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I don't remember who, but someone on this forum said they preferred when diseases hit the wealthy western nations because then there would be a cure and coping medical treatments.
He's being proven right. Not that it's surprising.
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@Carnage I have a vague recollection of such a comment as well.
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@boomzilla I'm guessing it says something like no gangbangs with more than 2 people?
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@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla I'm guessing it says something like no gangbangs with more than 2 people?
Basically. Aren't cognates wonderfull?
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@boomzilla Not so serious:
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The Scarfolk Council for Public Safety does have some good advice though:
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@Carnage said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I don't remember who, but someone on this forum said they preferred when diseases hit the wealthy western nations because then there would be a cure and coping medical treatments.
He's being proven right. Not that it's surprising.Correlation etc.
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Went to a hardware store earlier.
One thing I've noticed when I have had to run out for something, everyone is being uncharacteristically nice. There are of course a couple of exceptions, but overall people are being unusually polite.
So yeah, I wouldn't want the panic that we have for any reason, but that side effect is sort of nice.
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
everyonesome people is being uncharacteristically nice.As I entered the store yesterday, some woman yelled at a guy about something who then flipped her off. I kept walking in order to avoid being caught in the middle of something. (Our server on Sat night saw a fist fight in the store over TP. We were one of 3 tables. So there was more than enough empty space between us.)
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@dcon well, I did say there were some exceptions. There was a man and woman who got really shitty with the people assisting the self checkouts. I usually stay out of such things but I had to interject.
-looks up from phone, removes Bluetooth earbuds- "Hey, fucking knock it off. We are all in the same boat here and those girls haven't stopped moving since I've been standing here. Don't be a dick." -puts earbuds back in, goes back to phone-
Unlike most stories on the internet, no crowds applauded. One of the girls that was working gave me a quiet "Thank you" on my way out.
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Went to a hardware store earlier. I needed denatured alcohol. Completely sold out. Not a bottle on the shelves.
I imagine people are buying it to make some sort of hand sanitizer and that seems like it would be a truly bad idea.
I thought "denatured" means that it has enough salts to introduce a puke reaction? Why would you need that over regular distilled ethanol?
Also, the salts used are (usually) not toxic. So would not prevent use as hand desinfectant. But there's no point if basic ethanol is freely available in 40%+ concentration, is there?
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@acrow said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Went to a hardware store earlier. I needed denatured alcohol. Completely sold out. Not a bottle on the shelves.
I imagine people are buying it to make some sort of hand sanitizer and that seems like it would be a truly bad idea.
I thought "denatured" means that it has enough salts to introduce a puke reaction? Why would you need that over regular distilled ethanol?
Also, the salts used are (usually) not toxic. So would not prevent use as hand desinfectant. But there's no point if basic ethanol is freely available in 40%+ concentration, is there?
Recommended % v/v of ethanol is 60-90 to be effective as a disinfectant. So, a bottle of Stroh should work.
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@Carnage said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@acrow said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Went to a hardware store earlier. I needed denatured alcohol. Completely sold out. Not a bottle on the shelves.
I imagine people are buying it to make some sort of hand sanitizer and that seems like it would be a truly bad idea.
I thought "denatured" means that it has enough salts to introduce a puke reaction? Why would you need that over regular distilled ethanol?
Also, the salts used are (usually) not toxic. So would not prevent use as hand desinfectant. But there's no point if basic ethanol is freely available in 40%+ concentration, is there?
Recommended % v/v of ethanol is 60-90 to be effective as a disinfectant. So, a bottle of Stroh should work.
I've seen hand desinfectants from 20% up...
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@acrow said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Went to a hardware store earlier. I needed denatured alcohol. Completely sold out. Not a bottle on the shelves.
I imagine people are buying it to make some sort of hand sanitizer and that seems like it would be a truly bad idea.
I thought "denatured" means that it has enough salts to introduce a puke reaction? Why would you need that over regular distilled ethanol?
Also, the salts used are (usually) not toxic. So would not prevent use as hand desinfectant. But there's no point if basic ethanol is freely available in 40%+ concentration, is there?
Ehr, over here the difference is in the taxes. Pure ethanol for consumption can maybe cost 10 times as much as "cleaning" ethanol which has been made undrinkable.
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@acrow said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Carnage said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@acrow said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Went to a hardware store earlier. I needed denatured alcohol. Completely sold out. Not a bottle on the shelves.
I imagine people are buying it to make some sort of hand sanitizer and that seems like it would be a truly bad idea.
I thought "denatured" means that it has enough salts to introduce a puke reaction? Why would you need that over regular distilled ethanol?
Also, the salts used are (usually) not toxic. So would not prevent use as hand desinfectant. But there's no point if basic ethanol is freely available in 40%+ concentration, is there?
Recommended % v/v of ethanol is 60-90 to be effective as a disinfectant. So, a bottle of Stroh should work.
I've seen hand desinfectants from 20% up...
YEah, those are pretty much just for the feel good sensation.
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@Carnage frankly I remember reading a medical recommendation years ago warning that hand sanitisers were generally not worth it because the simple action of rubbing your hands together can cause microscratches that can make you more vulnerable to infection anyway. As well as the simple fact that any surface you touch (your clothes included) is riddled with germs and you'd need to use the sanitiser every few minutes or so to actually make a difference.
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Went to a hardware store earlier. I needed denatured alcohol. Completely sold out. Not a bottle on the shelves.
I imagine people are buying it to make some sort of hand sanitizer and that seems like it would be a truly bad idea.
I'm not sure what "denatured" alcohol exactly is (i.e. what the added stuff might make to it for another use), but there are many recipes for home-made hand sanitiser that are making the rounds right now, and one of the first official link I found was this one from WHO (French, and no
lang=FR
in the address and the whole page title is in French, I can't be bothered to go back to their homepage and search for the English version). See ingredients page 2, it's alcohol, hydrogen peroxide and glycerol.So it's perhaps not such a bad idea after all?
EDIT: reading further, the hydrogen peroxide (H202) is only there to make the mixture sterile and not to act itself as a sterilising agent, and the glycerol is to avoid drying the skin too much, so the only truly active principle in there is the alcohol.
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@JBert said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Ehr, over here the difference is in the taxes. Pure ethanol for consumption can maybe cost 10 times as much as "cleaning" ethanol which has been made undrinkable.
Alcohol regulations are weird. A long time ago, I studied chemical engineering. The lab had a supply of 99.9+% ethanol that required logging all use of it in a book, and government inspectors would occasionally check. 70% ethanol, though, was free for the taking.
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@remi said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I'm not sure what "denatured" alcohol exactly is (i.e. what the added stuff might make to it for another use)
In the EU, “complete denatured alcohol” is apparently:
Per hectolitre (100 L) of absolute ethanol: 3 litres of isopropyl alcohol, 3 litres of methyl ethyl ketone and 1 gram denatonium benzoate.
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@admiral_p yeah, that too.
When I lived in a hospital for half a year I discussed that with the people there, and they told me that you should use hand sanitizer when posting the bottles that thing on the walls. And the sanitizer they had was isopropanol 90% with some extra stuff in it as well. It completely destroyed any moisture in the skin.
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@Gurth said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
In the EU, “complete denatured alcohol” is apparently:
Per hectolitre (100 L) of absolute ethanol: 3 litres of isopropyl alcohol, 3 litres of methyl ethyl ketone and 1 gram denatonium benzoate.
That's still 94.33% (by volume) ethanol, so it's not too far from the recipe (which calls for 96%), and I guess you could easily compensate by adding a bit less water (the recipe adds some water to top up and ends up with 80% (volume) ethanol). And there is also an alternative recipe that uses isopropanol instead of ethanol, which AFAICT is just another name for isopropyl alcohol, so using denatured alcohol will probably just end up with an intermediate recipe between the two.
That's assuming that the additives don't make the alcohol unsuitable for that purpose (e.g. making it dangerous for skin contact or something else), but that would seem weird (the goal of denaturing is to make it undrinkable, but not more dangerous to use as e.g. a cleaning agent).
So yeah, that should work. I guess?
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@Gurth said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
99.9+% ethanol that required logging all use of it in a book, and government inspectors would occasionally check. 70% ethanol, though, was free for the taking
If it's like in Finland, then >80% ethanol makes it legally a drug, requiring a license to possess, produce, import, or handle.
(Yes, even in the most recent version of the laws relating to alcohol, from 2017. There's been plenty opportunity to change this. But . )
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@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
It's a vicious cycle, but it's going to end soon when the amount of morons with years of supply has saturated.
I don't know about that. If we are talking supply and demand, the world seems to have a nearly infinite supply of morons.
You, sir, seem to be entirely correct.
Just having a discussion in a private group chat where that one guy posted pictures of empty shelves in supermarkets and also the trunk of his car that has at least 3 bags of toilet paper (he's single, so it's not like he's buying for family members) and a shit-ton of other items that he quite certainly doesn't need in that large amount. Without seeing any irony in it or any kind of self reflection. No matter what I say he doesn't see the connection between "shit's empty because idiots are hoarding" and "I'm hoarding shit so I'm a jack-ass".
Seriously pissed off right now.
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@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
It's a vicious cycle, but it's going to end soon when the amount of morons with years of supply has saturated.
I don't know about that. If we are talking supply and demand, the world seems to have a nearly infinite supply of morons.
You, sir, seem to be entirely correct.
Just having a discussion in a private group chat where that one guy posted pictures of empty shelves in supermarkets and also the trunk of his car that has at least 3 bags of toilet paper (he's single, so it's not like he's buying for family members) and a shit-ton of other items that he quite certainly doesn't need in that large demand. Without seeing any irony in it or any kind of self reflection. No matter what I say he doesn't see the connection between "shit's empty because idiots are hoarding" and "I'm hoarding shit so I'm a jack-ass".
Seriously pissed off right now.
How much do people shit?
I bought a 12-pack of toiletpaper when I moved into this apartment, and I've still got 4 rolls left of them. I moved in in mid September. Just to be safe I bought one sixpack of toiletpaper on Sunday, since now that I'm at home, I can't shit at work for free. Still ought to last me a month or two. Unless I get visitors.
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@dcon said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@boomzilla I'm guessing it says something like no gangbangs with more than 2 people?
I'm not sure what the rest of it says, but I read it as no gangbangs with n+2 people. So just pick your n carefully.
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@Carnage Yeah. I have a few rolls left in my home, part of one pack I bought some time ago. I figure if I can't buy more toilet paper by the time I start running out, the world's having bad enough problems that toilet paper isn't going to be top priority anyway.
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@Gąska said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Carnage said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I don't remember who, but someone on this forum said they preferred when diseases hit the wealthy western nations because then there would be a cure and coping medical treatments.
He's being proven right. Not that it's surprising.Correlation etc.
How so? It seems readily apparent that we spend more money on curing diseases that actually affect us.
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@Carnage said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
It's a vicious cycle, but it's going to end soon when the amount of morons with years of supply has saturated.
I don't know about that. If we are talking supply and demand, the world seems to have a nearly infinite supply of morons.
You, sir, seem to be entirely correct.
Just having a discussion in a private group chat where that one guy posted pictures of empty shelves in supermarkets and also the trunk of his car that has at least 3 bags of toilet paper (he's single, so it's not like he's buying for family members) and a shit-ton of other items that he quite certainly doesn't need in that large demand. Without seeing any irony in it or any kind of self reflection. No matter what I say he doesn't see the connection between "shit's empty because idiots are hoarding" and "I'm hoarding shit so I'm a jack-ass".
Seriously pissed off right now.
How much do people shit?
I bought a 12-pack of toiletpaper when I moved into this apartment, and I've still got 4 rolls left of them. I moved in in mid September. Just to be safe I bought one sixpack of toiletpaper on Sunday, since now that I'm at home, I can't shit at work for free. Still ought to last me a month or two. Unless I get visitors.In his case (not from this post alone, but what I gathered from the rest of the discussion) it seems to be less of a demand for the product and more of an opportunity to be as selfish as possible. Not that he's realizing that, of course.
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@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Carnage said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Polygeekery said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
It's a vicious cycle, but it's going to end soon when the amount of morons with years of supply has saturated.
I don't know about that. If we are talking supply and demand, the world seems to have a nearly infinite supply of morons.
You, sir, seem to be entirely correct.
Just having a discussion in a private group chat where that one guy posted pictures of empty shelves in supermarkets and also the trunk of his car that has at least 3 bags of toilet paper (he's single, so it's not like he's buying for family members) and a shit-ton of other items that he quite certainly doesn't need in that large demand. Without seeing any irony in it or any kind of self reflection. No matter what I say he doesn't see the connection between "shit's empty because idiots are hoarding" and "I'm hoarding shit so I'm a jack-ass".
Seriously pissed off right now.
How much do people shit?
I bought a 12-pack of toiletpaper when I moved into this apartment, and I've still got 4 rolls left of them. I moved in in mid September. Just to be safe I bought one sixpack of toiletpaper on Sunday, since now that I'm at home, I can't shit at work for free. Still ought to last me a month or two. Unless I get visitors.In his case (not from this post alone, but what I gathered from the rest of the discussion) it seems to be less of a demand for the product and more of an opportunity to be as selfish as possible. Not that he's realizing that, of course.
Yeah, people are herping the derp real good.
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@Carnage said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I bought a 12-pack of toiletpaper when I moved into this apartment, and I've still got 4 rolls left of them.
You obviously don't own a cat.