Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!
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@Zecc said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I'm not being paid to slack off on company time.
If this thing turns really, I mean, really serious, most of us will be sent to the B Ark anyway.
We'll have to lern how to not code
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Anyone link to this yet?
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@Zecc Seems Japan, China and Iran has the worst mortality rates, from a quick look at the map. Once the hospitals are saturated, the rest of the world will start seeing worse mortality rates as well.
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Federalism strikes again.
So, my state's ministry for health has announced that they'll make a public declaration on how to handle large gatherings Very Soon NowTM
It is expected that they'll declare all gatherings above 1,000 persons to be Verboten.
That was on Tuesday noon.
Pretty much everyone is pissed off at them: The other states because they got their shit in order way sooner (even Berlin!), the event organizers because they'd like to get a handle on things but can't when there isn't a definitive mandate (also, if they cancel stuff on their own without an official mandate it's them who have to bear the costs) and of course the general populace.
I'm also not sure why schools like mine are allowed to stay open under such rules - we have 1,700 pupils and 120 teachers, not counting the rest of the staff.
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@Carnage said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Zecc Seems Japan, China and Iran has the worst mortality rates, from a quick look at the map. Once the hospitals are saturated, the rest of the world will start seeing worse mortality rates as well.
Japan has lots and lots of old people, China has horrible air pollution (and old people), and does Iran have a decent medical infrastructure? I'm pretty sure they took no measures. Dunno. I think the rest of the world will have worse mortality than currently (as a % of cases that are acute enough to need testing and active treatment), but we really haven't started widespread testing either. And the longer it waits, the warmer it gets (which might inhibit the spread). Will it be roses and puppies? Probably not. Will it be a harbinger of the Apocalypse? Likely not as well. But I could be wrong.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
does Iran have a decent medical infrastructure? I'm pretty sure they took no measures.
Last I heard (which was several weeks ago) they decided not to do anything at all about it. Which made it clear at that point that, should the spread from China be preventable at all, Iran would trigger a pandemic anyway.
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@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
does Iran have a decent medical infrastructure? I'm pretty sure they took no measures.
Last I heard (which was several weeks ago) they decided not to do anything at all about it. Which made it clear at that point that, should the spread from China be preventable at all, Iran would trigger a pandemic anyway.
Yeah. As I understand it, Europe is closer to Iran (in terms of traffic and trade) than the US is, so ...
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
does Iran have a decent medical infrastructure? I'm pretty sure they took no measures.
Last I heard (which was several weeks ago) they decided not to do anything at all about it. Which made it clear at that point that, should the spread from China be preventable at all, Iran would trigger a pandemic anyway.
Yeah. As I understand it, Europe is closer to Iran (in terms of traffic and trade) than the US is, so ...
Even if we had shut down traffic from Iran completely (which might have been a very good idea), it would probably have spread to neighboring countries and ultimately ended up here.
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@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@topspin said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
does Iran have a decent medical infrastructure? I'm pretty sure they took no measures.
Last I heard (which was several weeks ago) they decided not to do anything at all about it. Which made it clear at that point that, should the spread from China be preventable at all, Iran would trigger a pandemic anyway.
Yeah. As I understand it, Europe is closer to Iran (in terms of traffic and trade) than the US is, so ...
Even if we had shut down traffic from Iran completely (which might have been a very good idea), it would probably have spread to neighboring countries and ultimately ended up here.
True. But slowing the spread makes it much less worse. Or so I hear. This is well outside my core competencies.
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@Zecc said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Anyone link to this yet?
These are oddly specific:
Shouldn't other ships also be marked by that measure?
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
my core competencies
We should leverage a meeting to streamline fungible synergies!
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@Zecc said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Anyone link to this yet?
I've been looking at ECDC map. It's being updated less often and runs like a dog, but there's more charts and different colors, therefore it's got to be better
https://qap.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/COVID-19.html
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Just had our "all hands" meeting about this. Verdict--it's totally up in the air. We leave for spring break (10 days) at 12:30 this afternoon (or the kids do, we have meetings). Only concrete thing is that our regular end-of-marking-period grade/comment meeting has become a contingency planning (for the potential of online schooling) meeting. Which isn't much of a loss, those meetings were pointless anyway.
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"Damn, forgot to plan for Valentine's Day! Better die the day before"
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@Applied-Mediocrity The ECDC website also gives worlwide coverage, something that the other site is lacking.
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:bandwagon:
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Our (Czech) government just increased the restriction to all activities above 30 people, prohibited entry of people from 15 countries, which in addition to China, Iran, Korea and Italy somewhat surprisingly includes neighbouring countries Austria and Germany, and closed restaurants and bars past 20 o'clock. And we have far from most cases around (last update says 96). Schools are closed for two days already.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Just had our "all hands" meeting about this. Verdict--it's totally up in the air. We leave for spring break (10 days) at 12:30 this afternoon (or the kids do, we have meetings). Only concrete thing is that our regular end-of-marking-period grade/comment meeting has become a contingency planning (for the potential of online schooling) meeting. Which isn't much of a loss, those meetings were pointless anyway.
My kid's school district is having a staff work day on Monday to prepare / train for distance learning. A neighboring district has closed schools through March 20th.
Johns Hopkins has made an interactive map, too:
They identify total cases and break those down into deaths, recovered and ongoing.
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@acrow said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@cvi said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@sockpuppet7 said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I answered some people trying to shake hands by saying coronavirus, but a lot of them looked annoyed as fuck with that. Not sure if it's worth it.
Go one step further: try to do a footshake.
Or just use a glove. Gloves are a thing.
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NL no more assemblies over 100 people, including sports events. Request to work at home if possible.
Schools staying open - closing them would cause significant impact to society, including forcing parents (who may work in important sectors - health care, ambulance, police, etc) to stay home.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Will it be a harbinger of the Apocalypse? Likely not as well. But I could be wrong.
In any case, the Apocalypse will probably be an interesting time.
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Eh, maybe I should crosspost this one because it's just brillant:
@JBert said in In other news today...:
Italian man has found miracle preventive measure to keep (potentially-Covid-19-infected) people at least 1 meter away:
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
and does Iran have a decent medical infrastructure? I'm pretty sure they took no measures.
The ayatollahs affirmatively refused to institute any quarantines, proclaiming that they didn't believe in them and that they're outdated. And now at least one of Iran's top leadership has died from it; I wonder if they ever realized the irony?
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Oregon's state epidemiologist is estimating ("conservatively", he said) the number of cases doubling every week, leading to 75000 cases in Oregon by mid-May.
Our governor's office is doing a press conference now.
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@Captain and yet I saw kids headed to the bus stop on my way to work this morning. I'm kind of hoping we get to actually try some prevention instead of waiting, neighbor.
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Lower Saxony (the large state to the south and west of Hamburg) has leaked to the press that they'll close the schools on Monday for two weeks.
This is just one hour after a huge press conference where all the school ministers met and declared that they are not currently considering closing schools on a large scale.
Federalism at its finest.
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@Captain said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Oregon's state epidemiologist is estimating ("conservatively", he said) the number of cases doubling every week, leading to 75000 cases in Oregon by mid-May.
Our governor's office is doing a press conference now.
@error_bot xkcd extrapolating
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So we just cancelled classes for an extra 4 days at the end of spring break, with the strong possibility of going online for a week after that.
That includes all practice, games and other activities. And all staff working remotely. If possible.
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@Benjamin-Hall to their strong credit, the admin has committed to paying all employees their regular wage even if they're normally hourly and so no getting their normal hours.
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@JBert said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
I remember reading once under weird facts that cruise ships must contain a morgue in case someone dies on board.
That's less amusing now.
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@error I'm not sure why it would be a "weird" fact. The target audience for cruises is usually a bit older on average.
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@Gąska 75000 is about 2% of the Oregon population. Yeah, it's fair to assume exponential growth when the contagion is nowhere near saturating the supply of uninfected.
And of course this is why the State of Oregon did end up taking somewhat strict measures against it. To change that lambda...
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@Rhywden said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@error I'm not sure why it would be a "weird" fact. The target audience for cruises is usually a bit older on average.
Weird in the sense of morbid.
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@Rhywden It's not as though people never die in hotels and resorts. It's just that they would use local morgues rather than needing to be self-contained.
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@boomzilla said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Just had our "all hands" meeting about this. Verdict--it's totally up in the air. We leave for spring break (10 days) at 12:30 this afternoon (or the kids do, we have meetings). Only concrete thing is that our regular end-of-marking-period grade/comment meeting has become a contingency planning (for the potential of online schooling) meeting. Which isn't much of a loss, those meetings were pointless anyway.
My kid's school district is having a staff work day on Monday to prepare / train for distance learning. A neighboring district has closed schools through March 20th.
At the private language school where I work, basically, I am both (part of) the staff and he who trains the staff. I've gone with Skype (with its nifty screen sharing features) and a local school platform that is serviceable enough for tests and notices.
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@admiral_p It's a good thing I rolled out Moodle on a school server. Though we're still in the "limited exposure" phase and I'm not sure how the server would cope with the whole school trying to use the platform. I mean, it is server hardware (and not merely a repurposed desktop PC) but still...
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The rumor mill is working full-time! It's flying around social media that our local schools have confirmed coronavirus cases among their students, and are shutting down. The people who actually work at the schools say it isn't true.
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@mott555 they'll do anything to skip classes.
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@Gąska we used to plant rats in the classrooms to then protest and demand extermination (which meant three days off school). We never succeeded, but the first hour we got to hope.
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Well. My church has now officially cancelled all public worship and other public meetings world wide. Yesterday they only said to suspend the large ones (multi congregation ones).
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@Benjamin-Hall meanwhile, Catholic Church in Poland wants to increase the number of Sunday masses. The reasoning is apparently that it will make less people gather at once, reducing the number of people that can get infected simultaneously.
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"Do you have someone studying the virus?"
"Yes, WHO is on it"
"That's what I'm asking you!"
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Makes sense, actually. Not completely different from what your church is doing, but thought out more.
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@jinpa said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Makes sense, actually. Not completely different from what your church is doing, but thought out more.
To be honest, I read that backward. That they were trying to do bigger masses, not more smaller ones.
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@jinpa said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
Makes sense, actually.
No, it doesn't.
- Most people who go to church, go there at fixed hours. They've had made their routine decades ago and they aren't going to change it.
- More masses => more convenient hours => more people at the church overall.
- There are many elder people who go to church multiple times a day because they don't have anything better to do. More masses means they meet even more people there than before, and they're the most vulnerable to the virus.
- They're still holding masses. The virus is spreading a tiny bit slower, but it's spreading, and it's spreading toward the same asymptote. They delayed the exposures, but haven't reduced them.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in Tales from Coronavee-rooss Italy, mamma mia!:
So we just cancelled classes for an extra 4 days at the end of spring break, with the strong possibility of going online for a week after that.
We've also just been informed that there will be no on-site stuff for students (lectures, exams, ...) for the coming 2+ weeks, and as much as possible will be offered online. Some old lectures might be recorded and online already, but other than that, we're probably rather unprepared to do so. I also doubt anybody has the faintest idea on how to do reasonable exams online.
Will be interesting.
I might get away lightly, since I'm not involved in any courses at the moment. Might take up the call to work from home as much as possible voluntarily.