Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?
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@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@hungrier said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@djls45 That's the first option, crappy and low res. A 72 or 96 ppi image is going to look like garbage when printed out, and text that's perfectly readable at that resolution on screen may become unreadable when printed.
But doesn't rasterization encode an image independently of its ppi so it can be scaled to any resolution?
No. It does the opposite, converting a description of a picture that is independent of resolution into a 2D array of pixels. SVG images should usually print well as they can be expressed as lines and curves and fills and so on, all of which scale beautifully, but a GIF will typically print poorly as it is using a fixed resolution designed for a monitor. And is probably animated too these days, which doesn't work too good on standard paper...
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Zenith said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
What actually happens is that "responsive" layouts aren't as responsive as their developers think
Because responsive worked well not to make better webs, but to sell a bunch of Udemy courses to poor schmucks and expensive services of seagull consultants to iPhone-toting upper management.
They can work very well. But that takes effort and thought, so it isn't very common...
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Speaking of printing: a website I used recently asked me whether I wanted to print an invoice. I clicked "yes".
Here's what got printed:
And before you ask, yes. Once I dismissed the cookie consent banner, it printed fine.
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Don't you just love the pettiness of the @levicki downboater? If more people had such dedication - but at their day jobs - we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.
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@Zenith said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Tsaukpaetra Are you Amelia Bedelia?
Go to any webpage (the default Google search/homepage won't work) and type into the URL bar:
JavaScript:window.alert("I'm drawing you a bath.");window.open("http://www.drawingforall.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/6-how-to-draw-a-bath.jpg", "_blank");
See all that extra shit? That wasn't there when you need your claim, so I refuse.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Don't you just love the pettiness of the @levicki downboater? If more people had such dedication - but at their day jobs - we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.
It's under consideration as a bot module, but I worry that may be crossing the line into actual harassment.
Filed under: It's not me, though. I only downboat his posts when I bother to read them.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Zenith said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Tsaukpaetra Are you Amelia Bedelia?
Go to any webpage (the default Google search/homepage won't work) and type into the URL bar:
JavaScript:window.alert("I'm drawing you a bath.");window.open("http://www.drawingforall.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/6-how-to-draw-a-bath.jpg", "_blank");
See all that extra shit? That wasn't there when you need your claim, so I refuse.
You really thought "function();" was literal and not a placeholder?
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@Zenith said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Zenith said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Tsaukpaetra Are you Amelia Bedelia?
Go to any webpage (the default Google search/homepage won't work) and type into the URL bar:
JavaScript:window.alert("I'm drawing you a bath.");window.open("http://www.drawingforall.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/6-how-to-draw-a-bath.jpg", "_blank");
See all that extra shit? That wasn't there when you need your claim, so I refuse.
You really thought "function();" was literal and not a placeholder?
In a forum where that kind of shit is called out and laughed at? What do you think?
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@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Yes, because in their complaint to the helpdesk, they can mention that the error said something about "squirrels, or something like that" and the server administrators/programmers can have a little direction on where to look for the issue.
No, because not only are you throwing information the user doesn't understand at them (bad!), you're also leaking internal information that nobody aside from the IT team should see. There are proper ways to handle this - barfing exceptions is not one of them
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@sloosecannon said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Yes, because in their complaint to the helpdesk, they can mention that the error said something about "squirrels, or something like that" and the server administrators/programmers can have a little direction on where to look for the issue.
No, because not only are you throwing information the user doesn't understand at them (bad!), you're also leaking internal information that nobody aside from the IT team should see. There are proper ways to handle this - barfing exceptions is not one of them
Yeah, at best provide a reference ID the user can send in (that's mirrored in the logs!) if they decide to report a problem and become a squeaky wheel. It's still useless to them in actuality, but at least it's not going to intentionally mystify them in a way they would be any more angrier, and in theory would be more useful to the person receiving the reference anyways...
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@sloosecannon said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Yes, because in their complaint to the helpdesk, they can mention that the error said something about "squirrels, or something like that" and the server administrators/programmers can have a little direction on where to look for the issue.
No, because not only are you throwing information the user doesn't understand at them (bad!), you're also leaking internal information that nobody aside from the IT team should see. There are proper ways to handle this - barfing exceptions is not one of them
Barfing exceptions is better than nothing, IMO.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@sloosecannon said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Yes, because in their complaint to the helpdesk, they can mention that the error said something about "squirrels, or something like that" and the server administrators/programmers can have a little direction on where to look for the issue.
No, because not only are you throwing information the user doesn't understand at them (bad!), you're also leaking internal information that nobody aside from the IT team should see. There are proper ways to handle this - barfing exceptions is not one of them
Yeah, at best provide a reference ID the user can send in (that's mirrored in the logs!) if they decide to report a problem and become a squeaky wheel. It's still useless to them in actuality, but at least it's not going to intentionally mystify them in a way they would be any more angrier, and in theory would be more useful to the person receiving the reference anyways...
And a human-readable, specific error message is better than barfing exceptions.
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@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@sloosecannon said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Yes, because in their complaint to the helpdesk, they can mention that the error said something about "squirrels, or something like that" and the server administrators/programmers can have a little direction on where to look for the issue.
No, because not only are you throwing information the user doesn't understand at them (bad!), you're also leaking internal information that nobody aside from the IT team should see. There are proper ways to handle this - barfing exceptions is not one of them
Yeah, at best provide a reference ID the user can send in (that's mirrored in the logs!) if they decide to report a problem and become a squeaky wheel. It's still useless to them in actuality, but at least it's not going to intentionally mystify them in a way they would be any more angrier, and in theory would be more useful to the person receiving the reference anyways...
And a human-readable, specific error message is better than barfing exceptions.
Always!
But,
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@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@sloosecannon said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Yes, because in their complaint to the helpdesk, they can mention that the error said something about "squirrels, or something like that" and the server administrators/programmers can have a little direction on where to look for the issue.
No, because not only are you throwing information the user doesn't understand at them (bad!), you're also leaking internal information that nobody aside from the IT team should see. There are proper ways to handle this - barfing exceptions is not one of them
Barfing exceptions is better than nothing, IMO.
I would argue absolutely not. Your non-technical users are going to have the same response - "it broke", rarely are you going to encounter people who will even read the message you gave them, but it removes any chance, however slight, that the fact that this input gives a 400 but that one gives a 500 with a SQLException leads to an exploit. Sure, it's obscurity, but why give away information you don't need to?
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@sloosecannon I see it the other way around. If you give me no information, you remove any chance, however slight, that I can do something about it. Chances are I want something done now. I'm willing to spend some limited amount of time to make it work now, but if that seems impossible, I'm going to look for an alternative solution and likely won't be coming back.
Granted, for remote stuff (e.g., webpages), it's a crap shot either way. For local programs, just tell me what went wrong. Getting a "lol, squirrels" is just aggravating.
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@cvi said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
squirrels
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@sloosecannon said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@sloosecannon said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Yes, because in their complaint to the helpdesk, they can mention that the error said something about "squirrels, or something like that" and the server administrators/programmers can have a little direction on where to look for the issue.
No, because not only are you throwing information the user doesn't understand at them (bad!), you're also leaking internal information that nobody aside from the IT team should see. There are proper ways to handle this - barfing exceptions is not one of them
Barfing exceptions is better than nothing, IMO.
I would argue absolutely not. Your non-technical users are going to have the same response - "it broke",
Well, but it did.
rarely are you going to encounter people who will even read the message you gave them,
Hence my "squirrels" comment above.
but it removes any chance, however slight, that the fact that this input gives a 400 but that one gives a 500 with a SQLException leads to an exploit. Sure, it's obscurity, but why give away information you don't need to?
It's a tradeoff: slightly higher risk of an exploit if someone can figure out enough to hack your site over against a slightly more useful error report from an end user and the slight possibility of a more informed end user being able to know whether to keep trying or to do something else instead.
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@cvi said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Getting a "lol, squirrels" is just aggravating.
I meant that to represent a nontechnical user who sees an "obscure, technical" SQL error message and doesn't understand it, not a dummy error message itself.
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@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@cvi said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Getting a "lol, squirrels" is just aggravating.
I meant that to represent a nontechnical user who sees an "obscure, technical" SQL error message and doesn't understand it, not a dummy error message itself.
"An unexpected error has occurred and has been logged. Our trained staff of Technical Support Monkeys will be investigating the error shortly. If you contact our Product Support line please give them the following correlation Id so they can assist you more efficiently: Correlation +1 (207) 775-4321"
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@Vixen
"Hello, this is John."
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"I have no idea what you're talking about. How did you get my number?"
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"No, I've never even heard of that website, much less be a 'technical support monkey'."
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"Please stop shouting. I am not connected to that website in any way, so I have no idea why they'd put my number on anything."
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"Well, I hope it clears up for you soon. Have a nice day. Goodbye."
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@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
"Hello, this is John."
well if you call the number you're more likely to hear: At the tone the time will be ELEVEN OH FIVE .... BONG!
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@Vixen said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
At the tone the time will be ELEVEN OH FIVE .... BONG!
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@Vixen said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
"Hello, this is John."
Sponsored by the law offices of Joe Bornstein
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@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
I meant that to represent a nontechnical user who sees an "obscure, technical" SQL error message and doesn't understand it, not a dummy error message itself.
Yeah, fair.
I used it as a placeholder for a dummy error messages (which are what I find aggravating). In my defense, the typical dumbed down error message is barely above the "lol, squirrel" level. I'm pretty sure I've stumbled across a "oops. dunno what happened, here's a funny cat instead." a few times.
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@cvi said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
I meant that to represent a nontechnical user who sees an "obscure, technical" SQL error message and doesn't understand it, not a dummy error message itself.
Yeah, fair.
I used it as a placeholder for a dummy error messages (which are what I find aggravating). In my defense, the typical dumbed down error message is barely above the "lol, squirrel" level. I'm pretty sure I've stumbled across a "oops. dunno what happened, here's a funny cat instead." a few times.
Windows 10 thread is over there
:(
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@Vixen said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
It's the
londonportland talking clockReally? Reverse phone lookup says it's for John Hahn in Lewiston, Maine.
@Vixen said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
At the tone the time will be ELEVEN OH FIVE .... BONG!
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@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Really? Reverse phone lookup says it's for John Hahn in Lewiston, Maine.
When the number came up previously I looked it up and among the results was something like "hardcore entertainment"
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@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Really? Reverse phone lookup says it's for John Hahn in Lewiston, Maine.
huh......
no it's still the time and temp number. i just called to confirm..... weird that i's listed that way.......
/shrug
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@Vixen Maybe he runs the time-and-temp service? The lookup I used (whitepages.com) said it's owned by him, not necessarily that you'd get him if you called it.
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@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@Vixen Maybe he runs the time-and-temp service? The lookup I used (whitepages.com) said it's owned by him, not necessarily that you'd get him if you called it.
/shrug
maybe?
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You should call (202) 762-1401 instead. You'll have a better time.
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@TwelveBaud BRB, writing "For a good time call..." in all my nearest public bathrooms
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@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Not many bongs there. It's being mended…
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@dkf said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
And is probably animated too these days, which doesn't work too good on standard paper...
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@levicki
turned into a boomer don't call
She doesn't know any fresh memes or how to use her smartphone
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@Vixen said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
"An unexpected error has occurred and has been logged. Our highly trained staff of Technical Support Monkeys will be investigating the error shortly. If you contact our Product Support line please give them the following correlation Id so they can assist you more efficiently: Correlation +1 (207) 775-4321"
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@hungrier said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
She doesn't know any fresh memes or how to use her smartphone
Some boomers know how to use smartphones. Some would be well advised to give it a break sometimes because I'm at work all day, damnit, Dad!
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@dkf said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Some boomers know how to use smartphones.
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@dkf said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@hungrier said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
She doesn't know any fresh memes or how to use her smartphone
Some boomers know how to use smartphones. Some would be well advised to give it a break sometimes because I'm at work all day, damnit, Dad!
My parents are a few years too young to be boomers, but that doesn't stop me from occasionally being glad whatsapp has a 'mute this group for 8 hours' option.
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@PleegWat said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
My parents are a few years too young to be boomers
I just realized that, not only am I older than most of you, in some cases, I'm older than your parents. :sad_belt_onion:
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@HardwareGeek said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@PleegWat said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
My parents are a few years too young to be boomers
I just realized that, not only am I older than most of you, in some cases, I'm older than your parents. :sad_belt_onion:
There are probably people here who think people my age shouldn't be wearing the belt onion.
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@HardwareGeek said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@PleegWat said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
My parents are a few years too young to be boomers
I just realized that, not only am I older than most of you, in some cases, I'm older than your parents. :sad_belt_onion:
So, you're what? 37?
Filed under: internet denizens are 12-year-olds.
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@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
Filed under: internet denizens are 12-year-olds.
Welcome to the internet, where men are men, women are men, and little girls are FBI agents.
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@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
My parents are 55 and 56.
I wrote:
I'm older than your parents.
Another one. :(
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On an almost unrelated tangent, recently I had distracted myself with Wikipedia and found that both my parents share birthdays with a couple of Whose Line Is It Anyway? guests, both one year different, in both directions.
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@PleegWat said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
My parents are a few years too young to be boomers, but that doesn't stop me from occasionally being glad whatsapp has a 'mute this group for 8 hours' option.
My parents have been asking me to join whatsapp. I resist.
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@HardwareGeek said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
@djls45 said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
My parents are 55 and 56.
I wrote:
I'm older than your parents.
Another one. :(
Damn. That never even crossed my mind. #MeToo.
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@PleegWat said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
My parents are a few years too young to be boomers
My mum is technically not a boomer, being a bit too old (by a small number of years). She also doesn't use smartphones if she can help it…
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@dkf I think you guys have missed something. In modern parlance, 'boomer' denotes one sufficiently old to be out of touch with the speaker. Usually 40 is old enough to hit the point where the majority of users consider you as such. This is all despite the fact that the word is supposed to mean a very specific generation.
All this is to say, OK boomer.
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@Magus said in Do people actually like poor quality user interfaces?:
OK boomer.
Copy that, artifact