I was **that** bored...
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so I spun up a few VMs with ...
-) DOS 6
-> urgh-) WfW 3.11
-> CBA to get the network up-n-running-) Win95 OSR2
-> barfed at the Edie Brickell Video after a few seconds (sweet sweet memories)-) NT4 SP6a
(everything from archive.org)
wow...
/I really forgot that Windows was that uncomfortable (WfW -> Network Setup: go on, try it, I dare you!)
//I also forgot how fast and lean that crap now was/is/can be 'cos no kitchen-sink-plus-relativesNext:
Redhat 4
, preferrably with Klingon or something as language.If this still doesn't send me to bed: SCO 5.0.x (which I know that it still runs (*)) or some DEC-thingies but I suspect that won't work on Intel-CPUs; sadly I scrapped my Alpha-266 a few years ago (**)
Any more Ideas from the venerable forum?
(*) Challenge: keep the VM up-n-running for > 90+ days without the NIC crapping out
(**) as far as I remember that was about when my firstborn decided to grok potty-training, now he's nearly old enough to drive a car, therefore that was ~15 years ago. Still missing that tank somehow.Fuck, I'm getting old
EDIT re NT4: what happened to -lacking a better description- the "Start-menu-marquee" where some text a la "<-- click here to ..." zoomed from the right (clock etc) to the "Start"-Button on the left"?
does memory fail me or does/did that depend on some other thingy?
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@iKnowItsLame said in I was **that** bored...:
//I also forgot how fast and lean that crap now was/is/can be 'cos no kitchen-sink-plus-relatives
i mean there's that..... but it's also like the processor , memory, and storage they're running on, even virtualized is so many orders of magnitude faster than they were when those operating systems were released..... it's really not even funny.
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funny as in "haha / ClownCar" or funny re "can't laugh/grin 'cos it's still the same shite as before, just more complicated"?
-> what I definitely won't try here is virtualizing an Intel IMS, good riddance and may you be f*cked by all the fish.
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@iKnowItsLame said in I was **that** bored...:
funny as in "haha / ClownCar" or funny re "can't laugh/grin 'cos it's still the same shite as before, just more complicated"?
-> what I definitely won't try here is virtualizing an Intel IMS, good riddance and may you be f*cked by all the fish.
funny as in "how is this processor breaking the speed of light?!" (by being way faster than the developers of the software i'ts running designed the software to handle)
like playing older games that relied on timing loops to control game speed, or that Space Cadet Pinball on Windows XP era PCs ran so fast that it was rendering four digits of frames per second eating up your whole CPU (Raymond chen tells the story of fixing that quite well i thought)
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My father still has a P75 running Win 95. He boots it up every 5 years or so. Even on that archaic hardware, it's still pretty ok as far as speed goes. Security though? Nah. If that thing ever comes close to internet, it's gonna die.
Not to mention the system clock wrapping over in 30-ish days causing a system freeze if it hasn't been rebooted.That said, you have to test OS/2 Warp as well.
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@Carnage you have to test OS/2 Warp as well.
oh yes, never saw this one.
you don't happen to have some "reliable" sources for this?/W95 wasn't that bad; it did what we wanted, then
@Vixen that's what the TURBO-Button was for
I'm not aiming to recreate the "real" experience from yesteryear -faffing around with memmaker; dos4gw to get 3dsmax running and so on- ... at least not yet....mmm...3dsmax ... that reminds me of some long forgotten shite; not sure I want to go that road.
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I recently spun up VMs for Windows 95, 98 and 2000 trying to get an old 95 game running with variable success.
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@iKnowItsLame said in I was **that** bored...:
Any more Ideas from the venerable forum?
- BeOS
- OS/2
- Novell NetWare 5
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Hardcore:
-) set up a VM with Netware 3.12 as server
-) n+1 VMs with netboot to boot WfW from a shared drive on Netware
-> dosgen.[exe|com] ?
-> lsl, ipxodi, 3c5x9.exe, vlm|net (?)
and all the other shite I've drunk too much since then to remember.3c5x9.exe FTW, but eisacfg.exe still rules :-D
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@iKnowItsLame said in I was **that** bored...:
EDIT re NT4: what happened to -lacking a better description- the "Start-menu-marquee" where some text a la "<-- click here to ..." zoomed from the right (clock etc) to the "Start"-Button on the left"?
does memory fail me or does/did that depend on some other thingy?I recall it happening on first boot with Windows 98 and ME. Not sure what other trigger it had.
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anyway...
my SO sent me a request re "can you print this"?
Source: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1259739
..and due current shenanigans here I've to reboot to <other OS> -I dare you to ask which one- I'm gonna be offline [permanently | for a few minutes | who knows?]
/still wondering whether I missed some sublime message from LeBossette, gave me kind of a stink-eye or something.
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* Wonders what that's supposed to be *
Arsch mit Ohren
It is a german derogatory term for very stupid (a asshole) persons no one likes or better hates.
We call them ass with ears.Ah.
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@JBert Ah.
Yes. German is a quite wonderful language for swearing./it also is quite nice for planning|maintaining a covert hideout somewhere at the moon or the north pole but both locations lean too far onto the general direction of Rule34.
//anyway: being asked to print this was a real request
///one wonders when (IF is no question) somebody comes along and asks "do you have a bigger one for to use as my 50mm-trailer-hitch cover?"e.g. 'cos these are boring/get stolen every friggin' time:
Cheshire Cat - hitch cover by reddadsteve
Remixed from my full Cheshire Cat, this is just the head which fits on a 50mm ball hitch. Thingiverse user SnakeNET suggested this remix, so concept credit goes to him. SnakeNET also created the final pieces and put it on his hitch. His pictures are included in this remix. Enjoy!
Android hitch cap by Naesstrom
I wanted to replace my old boring black hitch cap with something more fitting and came up with this one. Fits a 50mm hitch without a problem. The Android robot is reproduced or modified from work created and shared by Google and used according to terms described in the Creative Commons 3.0...
...but we shall not digress, let's go back to brainfucks that really matter
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@JBert said in I was **that** bored...:
* Wonders what that's supposed to be *
Arsch mit Ohren
It is a german derogatory term for very stupid (a asshole) persons no one likes or better hates.
We call them ass with ears.Ah.
Russian too. "Zhopa s ushami"
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@iKnowItsLame RedHat 4 was my first linux.
It was awful. Especially doing an install on a 486 SX on a 33kbps modem.
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@Captain one wonders:
was it shit 'cos it was shit
or
'cos we didn't know shite back then?
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@iKnowItsLame No it was shite. 1995 was not the year of the Linux Desktop.
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@Captain still isn't.
/windows ain't it neither.
//off to bed, ETGU is in ~3 hours :-(Glossar:
ETGU: Expected Time to Get Up
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A full 100% of my desktops and phones run Linux. My laptops run a 50-50 mix of OS X and Windows 10.
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What I really miss from the 90s was being able to be so entertained by the technology from that time, and being astonished by the progress the technology was making every year. I think I was addicted to the Moore law and now that it's over the world got so boring.
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@iKnowItsLame said in I was **that** bored...:
//I also forgot how fast and lean that crap now was/is/can be 'cos no kitchen-sink-plus-relatives
Most software has followed the same path:
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@Vixen said in I was **that** bored...:
like playing older games that relied on timing loops to control game speed
Back when it was new, I tried running the original Wing Commander on an 8086 (it required at least a 286, IIRC) and was so slow it was unplayable, but years later on a 486 the actual game part of the game consisted of: launch, see enemy ships shoot by at lightning speed, see your own ship blow up — all within about two or three seconds.
@Carnage said in I was **that** bored...:
That said, you have to test OS/2 Warp as well.
I’ve got a VM with OS/2 version 3.1 (“For Windows” it says on the box), but never got round to making one with Warp (3.0) that I also own — as I recall, because of the trouble reading the 1.8-MB disks it comes on.
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@El_Heffe said in I was **that** bored...:
And, like bell curves, the curve sometimes collapses into a Dirac delta. I.e., there was a single instant in time where the software was non-crap (that instant doesn't necessarily align with a release).
However, unlike the Dirac delta, the software was unlikely to be infinitely good even in that short instant, so I guess it's not quite the same thing after all.
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@Gurth said in I was **that** bored...:
I’ve got a VM with OS/2 version 3.1 (“For Windows” it says on the box), but never got round to making one with Warp (3.0) that I also own — as I recall, because of the trouble reading the 1.8-MB disks it comes on.
@Gurth said in I was **that** bored...:
@Vixen said in I was **that** bored...:
like playing older games that relied on timing loops to control game speed
Back when it was new, I tried running the original Wing Commander on an 8086 (it required at least a 286, IIRC) and was so slow it was unplayable, but years later on a 486 the actual game part of the game consisted of: launch, see enemy ships shoot by at lightning speed, see your own ship blow up — all within about two or three seconds.
@Carnage said in I was **that** bored...:
That said, you have to test OS/2 Warp as well.
I’ve got a VM with OS/2 version 3.1 (“For Windows” it says on the box), but never got round to making one with Warp (3.0) that I also own — as I recall, because of the trouble reading the 1.8-MB disks it comes on.
I had an install CD with OS/2 Warp sometime in the nineties. It's long gone now though, I've moved a lot since then, and I throw away most of what I own when I move.
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@iKnowItsLame said in I was **that** bored...:
you don't happen to have some "reliable" sources for this?
No, I haven't tried to install it n a couple of decades and lost my install CD.
But wasn't it freely available from IBM?
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@iKnowItsLame said in I was **that** bored...:
sadly I scrapped my Alpha-266 a few years ago
I have access to a couple Alphas. Tried installing Windows NT 4 on one, which worked. Problem is the lack of drivers prevented doing anything useful with it and I did not find any available at the time.
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@Atazhaia said in I was **that** bored...:
lack of drivers
They were stuck in traffic on the Information Superhighway.
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@Carnage said in I was **that** bored...:
But wasn't it freely available from IBM?
The Internet Archive seems to hold something like this:
And also more versions:
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@Gurth said in I was **that** bored...:
@Vixen said in I was **that** bored...:
like playing older games that relied on timing loops to control game speed
Back when it was new, I tried running the original Wing Commander on an 8086 (it required at least a 286, IIRC) and was so slow it was unplayable, but years later on a 486 the actual game part of the game consisted of: launch, see enemy ships shoot by at lightning speed, see your own ship blow up — all within about two or three seconds.
I knew a guy who could only play Wing Commander by first copying the game to a ramdrive. So he'd copy the entire directory to a ramdrive, play, and then copy his save back afterward.
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@Gurth WinWorld (linked upthread) has OS/2 images too.
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@loopback0 Now all I need is for VirtualBox to start working again.
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@Captain said in I was **that** bored...:
@iKnowItsLame RedHat 4 was my first linux.
It was awful. Especially doing an install on a 486 SX on a 33kbps modem.
Pity me, I had to support that shite until last year.
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Don't forget VAX! What a great OS...
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@JBert said in I was **that** bored...:
* Wonders what that's supposed to be *
Arsch mit Ohren
It is a german derogatory term for very stupid (a asshole) persons no one likes or better hates.
We call them ass with ears.Ah.
There are great paintings by Brueghel or Ten Bosch showing asses with ears - that means, they have a long famous history already!
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a very modern painting, so 2019 ... with a woman/man ambiguous figure, something with a spoon up his ass and many, many more delights
Bosch is older and has very few works that are positively assigned to him.
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@Luhmann Bosch is awesome. But then again, all those famous old wood cutters were pretty off the hook.
Caraviello (sp?) is one of my favorites.
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@Vixen Yes, but the point is the OS uses many orders of magnitude fewer resources to accomplish 2/3rds of the things.
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@anonymous234 said in I was **that** bored...:
@Vixen Yes, but the point is the OS uses many orders of magnitude fewer resources to accomplish 2/3rds of the things.
2/3rds of the things? i'd be tempted to pedant that given internet and other advancements in techmology over the intervening years (i mean the 8086 can't run crysis)
but..... eeh it's close enough.....
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@Vixen said in I was **that** bored...:
(i mean the 8086 can't run crysis)
Worse, it can't run memory protection. Crashes... they can crash real hard.
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quick update: dl'd OS/2 Warp from archive.org
got it up-n-running, at least with 640x480:
DNS doesn't work yet, network itself does.
Summary: wow, that is cumbersome
allow me to link to one of the sites I found: https://www.elstel.org/OS2Warp/InstallUpdate.htmlWill definitely follow up on this, feels like trying to stab into your own eye with a 0.4mm needle (hot optional) while in the dark and wearing boxing gloves (c:
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@iKnowItsLame said in I was **that** bored...:
Will definitely follow up on this, feels like trying to stab into your own eye with a 0.4mm needle (hot optional) while in the dark and wearing boxing gloves
I'm pretty sure I will never be that bored.
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@Luhmann said in I was **that** bored...:
Bob Hieronimus is also kind of cool, IMHO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Richard_Hieronimus
Dull Gret - Wikipedia
