Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions
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So, Adobe has disabled the ability to download older versions of their software than
$current - 1, officially to "improve support" but in reality not really.https://theblog.adobe.com/changes-to-creative-cloud-download-availability
Customers using older versions of their softwares got this nice e-mail from Adobe support:
(Inb4
is using Flash in 2019.)Not that the e-mail is stating "copyright infringement by third parties", with Adobe refusing to comment on the matter at this moment. Hmm...
Comments I have seen points to this third party being Dolby, due to an issue concerning licensing fees.
If you do end up getting sued, Adobe won't be doing it. Dolby will. This event happened because of corporate shenanigans with these two companies that resulted in Dolby not getting paid their due. The reason why Dolby is threatening to sue people for using older versions of Adobe products is to attempt to get their money back.
tl;dr (from my understanding): corporate fuckups happened, Dolby didn't get paid, and now Dolby are saying that they are going to sue people using Adobe software that includes Dolby-licensed technology, so Adobe has removed the versions of their software that are affected.
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@Atazhaia said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
now Dolby are saying that they are going to sue people using Adobe software that includes Dolby-licensed technology
That's why you should only use commercial product that you legally paid.
You're not protected when using Open Source software.
Oh, wait...
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@TimeBandit said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
you legally paid
Actually own? If it's not in the
cloudbutt, how are they going to claw it back? And if they have a plan for that, how are they going to get a list of current users?
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@swayde said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
how are they going to get a list of current users?
From what I understand, they know who uses it, because of telemetry
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@TimeBandit said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
because of telemetry
Oh, I presumed it was linked to the cloud because " Creative Cloud"
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@Atazhaia said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
(Inb4
is using Flash in 2019.)The Flash creation applications can output HTML5 Canvas + JavaScript nowadays.
I'm still glad I bought a license for the CS6 applications before they forced everyone onto Creative Cloud. That doesn't stop Adobe from disabling the apps whenever they want (activation servers being what they are) but at least this particular sort of screwup doesn't apply.
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@swayde yes, but the tool is locally installed from what I understand
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@TimeBandit ah, the more you know
The last version I used was something like cs2, when they uploaded the version without activation
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@TimeBandit said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
@swayde said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
how are they going to get a list of current users?
From what I understand, they know who uses it, because of telemetry
Exactly. I doubt the issue is knowing who installed the applications or plugins that use Dolby's technologies, who launched them, or who actually used the Dolby features at some point. The issue is Adobe not wanting to pay, especially if it comes down to a per-install basis. (Very few people use all of the applications, after all.)
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@Parody said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
I'm still glad I bought a license for the CS6 applications before they forced everyone onto Creative Cloud. That doesn't stop Adobe from disabling the apps whenever they want (activation servers being what they are) but at least this particular sort of screwup doesn't apply.
I hope it doesn't apply to the older Creative Suite, too. I picked up a boxed version of CS5 for a pretty low price recently.
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@Zerosquare said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
@Parody said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
I'm still glad I bought a license for the CS6 applications before they forced everyone onto Creative Cloud. That doesn't stop Adobe from disabling the apps whenever they want (activation servers being what they are) but at least this particular sort of screwup doesn't apply.
I hope it doesn't apply to the older Creative Suite, too. I picked up a boxed version of CS5 for a pretty low price recently.
As far as I can tell it does not, as the accounting for those was easy to figure on a per-license basis. The dispute is over how to count subscription licenses under their agreement in force at the time when Adobe was switching to CC and Adobe's refusal to let Dolby double-check their numbers.
IANAL.
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@swayde said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
Oh, I presumed it was linked to the cloud because " Creative Cloud"
... and because you're naiive enough to think that companies are privacy-minded enough so that they DON'T stuff their software chock-full of tracking as soon as it's in any way and for any reason regularly communicating with any of their servers?
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I understand how the SaaS model is good for publishers, and good for a certain subset of customers. It only pisses me off when there's no option to get a perpetual license by any means. I don't want to keep buying the same software every month or year forever. I don't care if I have the very latest version of
MaddenExcel 2020.I've found some software that does offer perpetual licenses, but you have to hunt it down because they don't advertise it and seem to deliberately bury the option.
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@error said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
I don't care if I have the very latest version of
MaddenExcel 2020.I still have Office 2003 on one machine. Does what I need...
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@error said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
I understand how the SaaS model is good for publishers, and good for a certain subset of customers. It only pisses me off when there's no option to get a perpetual license by any means. I don't want to keep buying the same software every month or year forever.
Yeah, I can see both the good and bad. The good thing about the current Adobe CC is that I actually can afford to buy it. I think I can get like 10 years of subscription-based full Adobe CC for the price of one license of old full Adobe CS. And I get free updates to the latest versions included, no need to sell my other kidney when I want to upgrade. And any new programs added to CC I get too at no extra cost.
But I can also understand the people who just want to buy it and not have to bother with a subscription. Sadly that seems limited to Photoshop/Premiere Elements nowadays.
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@Atazhaia said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
I think I can get like 10 years of subscription-based full Adobe CC for the price of one license of old full Adobe CS.
In the US it was four and a half ($2600 for CS6 Master Collection, $600 per year for CC All Apps).
It cost me $950 to jump from CS3 Design Premium to CS6 back in 2012, so I've gotten my money's worth out of it. :)
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@Parody I am unsure about the CS6 prices, but I think CS2 was like $3600 here. CC costs me $30/month or so, because I can get that sweet education pricing. I could also get it free from work, but with the added inconvenience of not having access to to actual cloud part of Creative Cloud (and the cloud-based apps and services) as well as the license being tied to the device meaning added hassle in case I'd need to reinstall the computer.
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Does the CC subscription allow you to always have the latest version like Office 365 does?
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@levicki said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
There have been numerous examples of updates breaking workflow
@error_bot !xkcd Workflow
Edit: error_bot must be down
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@levicki said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
There have been numerous examples of updates breaking workflow and costing businesses money
Right but businesses (and consumers) are able to test updates before widely adopting them.
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@TimeBandit said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
@levicki said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
There have been numerous examples of updates breaking workflow
@error_bot !xkcd Workflow
Edit: error_bot must be down
error_bot is in my trunk.
No, really. My laptop is in my car right now.
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@error said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
error_bot is in my trunk.
Just make sure to clean it thoroughly after retrieval
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@error said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
error_bot is in my trunk.
That seems like a better place for JavaScript than on the server side
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@error said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
@TimeBandit said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
@levicki said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
There have been numerous examples of updates breaking workflow
@error_bot !xkcd Workflow
Edit: error_bot must be down
error_bot is in my trunk.
So @error is really Nelly (the Elephant)?
No, really. My laptop is in my car right now.
Oh, that trunk. Never mind, as you were, etc.
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@Gąska Not on change.org. I am disappoint.
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@topspin faking home address is a bit more effort than faking email address.
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@Gąska said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
@topspin faking home address is a bit more effort than faking email address.
Everyone knows that a home address is: 1060 W Addison St, Chicago, IL 60613
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@dcon said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
@error said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
I don't care if I have the very latest version of
MaddenExcel 2020.I still have Office 2003 on one machine. Does what I need...
I need to re-package mine. Some things glitch out in Windows 10...
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@thegoryone said in Adobe vs Dolby and older CC versions:
We figured out you could just tweak your hosts file with some help from WireShark and Photoshop would just work off the assumption that since you were licensed and activated once, further attempts to callback being blocked were a non-issue and would work essentially forever.
I don't remember which version of CS exactly, but you could just add "activate.adobe.com 127.0.0.1" to your host file before installing it, and it will think it was activated
