Bethesda dealing with Fallout
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@hungrier YMBNH
A random sampling of threads
https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/3998/blizzard-entertainment-wtfs
https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/16010/the-end-of-blizzard
https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/15975/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-blizzard
https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/25628/well-done-blizzard-even-you-are-officially-promoting-gambling
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@JBert I had found all those but none of them really fit. IIRC there was some thread where we
discussedridiculed "Don't you guys have phones?" from last year or whenever
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It sounds like Blizzard needs its own category.
AFAIK The only other company with that honor currently is Oracle.
Edit: more seriously, a videogame WTF subcategory does seem appropriate
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@error said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
It sounds like Blizzard needs its own category.
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@levicki said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
Meh, just merge all game WTF threads and rename the resulting thread to "Cthulhu Thread of WTFs in gaming".
I know threads are free but I kind of agree with this approach. It seems that every week it's yet another gaming company/publisher fighting for the #1 spot on everyone's list.
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@Deadfast said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
@levicki said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
Meh, just merge all game WTF threads and rename the resulting thread to "Cthulhu Thread of WTFs in gaming".
I know threads are free but I kind of agree with this approach. It seems that every week it's yet another gaming company/publisher fighting for the #1 spot on everyone's list.
there is only one spot on the shit list. if you're bad enough to be put on the shit list, and these days it seems just being a "AAA publisher" is enough to do it.... you are number 1 in the number 2....... just like everyone else on the list.
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My favorite meme about blizzard now is that hydra with the heads: "Don't you guys have phones?", "Blitzchung", and "Warcraft III:Reforged"
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For those who haven't seen it:
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Related:
Official map made by Blizzard is incompatible with Blizzard's new censorship
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@hungrier said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
Related:
Official map made by Blizzard is incompatible with Blizzard's new censorshipClbuttic.
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@hungrier said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
Related:
Official map made by Blizzard is incompatible with Blizzard's new censorshipCensoring "booty" is pretty silly, though according to the threads I've read you can still use the map if you change the game name.
Anywho, this whole kerfuffle has gotten me to replay the campaign in the new engine with the old graphics. So far it's been working fine for me. I will note that I haven't played Warcraft 3 since the expansion pack was released and I'm no scholar of Warcraft lore, so I'm sure I wouldn't notice anything they would have changed graphic- or story-wise.
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@Parody they never call grom 'grom' anymore.
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@Parody said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
@CodeJunkie said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
@Vixen In general I stopped pre-ordering games at least a decade ago and will mostly only buy new games when they go on sale. Early access Steam games are out too.
Yeah, this is definitely the way to go. The last games I bought on launch were the Arkham sequels, so it's been five years. Arkham Knight (which I played on my underpowered computer while you couldn't buy it) shows why you should wait even for games you think will be great.
The last Early Access I bought was Infectionator:Survivors, which turned out to be a decent game. ...that you could finish in an hour or two, because the studio couldn't figure out what to do once you left the initial area. For a while, they had a mission-selection-semi-open-world after the first area. Then... they just ran out of enthusiasm/money/suckers, killed off the semi-open-world section, and ran credits after you finished the first area.
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@Magus said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
@Parody they never call grom 'grom' anymore.
Hmm...in the prologue the Classic mode voiceover says "Grom" while the text says "Grommash". Don't know what they say in the actual campaign as I'm knee-deep in the Undead. It's a good example as something I'd see as a typo as I don't know what it should be anyway.
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@PotatoEngineer said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
@Parody said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
@CodeJunkie said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
@Vixen In general I stopped pre-ordering games at least a decade ago and will mostly only buy new games when they go on sale. Early access Steam games are out too.
Yeah, this is definitely the way to go. The last games I bought on launch were the Arkham sequels, so it's been five years. Arkham Knight (which I played on my underpowered computer while you couldn't buy it) shows why you should wait even for games you think will be great.
The last Early Access I bought was Infectionator:Survivors....
Sounds like something I would have played on ArmorGames a long time ago.
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@Parody said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
@PotatoEngineer said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
The last Early Access I bought was Infectionator:Survivors....
Sounds like something I would have played on ArmorGames a long time ago.
That's exactly why I bought the Early Access. They'd made a couple of flash games I liked, and now they were making a somewhat-bigger game. I like the art style, I liked the previous games... it just fizzled.
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@Parody the voice over almost always calls him hellscream
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https://www.reddit.com/r/warcraft3/comments/ez3jig/blizzards_message_to_those_whose_computer_is_too/
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@Zerosquare Don't you guys have new PCs?
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@Zerosquare said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
https://www.reddit.com/r/warcraft3/comments/ez3jig/blizzards_message_to_those_whose_computer_is_too/
....... FFS......REALLY?!
THAT IS NOT CUSTOMER SUPPORT!
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....... FFS......REALLY?!
THAT IS NOT CUSTOMER SUPPORT!
Well... what exactly do you expect? Person buys a game that's too high-spec for their computer to run... what is the developer supposed to do? How do you "support" a customer who does that?
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
....... FFS......REALLY?!
THAT IS NOT CUSTOMER SUPPORT!
Well... what exactly do you expect? Person buys a game that's too high-spec for their computer to run... what is the developer supposed to do? How do you "support" a customer who does that?
At the risk of whooshing - the game probably worked when they bought it, possibly years ago. But the game updated, and the system requirements went way up.
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@PleegWat Oh. I haven't been following this too closely; was this an update to an existing Warcraft III install? I thought it was a new "HD remastered" edition.
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@PleegWat said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
At the risk of whooshing - the game probably worked when they bought it, possibly years ago. But the game updated, and the system requirements went way up.
@Mason_Wheeler said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
@PleegWat Oh. I haven't been following this too closely; was this an update to an existing Warcraft III install? I thought it was a new "HD remastered" edition.
I think they're forced to use the Reforged client even if they only own classic WC3.
The full support thread is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DjL5LyPlaidqsTpNEtrjLLz5u1hjHWFk/view
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
@PleegWat Oh. I haven't been following this too closely; was this an update to an existing Warcraft III install? I thought it was a new "HD remastered" edition.
It's a new "HD remastered" edition that forcibly uninstalls the old version if you have it, even if you didn't get the new one.
e:
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
@PleegWat Oh. I haven't been following this too closely; was this an update to an existing Warcraft III install? I thought it was a new "HD remastered" edition.
it's an update to the old version that replaces and rebrands it, while also requiring a much more powerful computer to use.... and a lot of fans are furious, rightly so.
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@hungrier said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
It's a new "HD remastered" edition that forcibly uninstalls the old version if you have it, even if you didn't get the new one.
@Vixen said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
it's an update to the old version that replaces and rebrands it, while also requiring a much more powerful computer to use.... and a lot of fans are furious, rightly so.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
@hungrier said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
It's a new "HD remastered" edition that forcibly uninstalls the old version if you have it, even if you didn't get the new one.
@Vixen said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
it's an update to the old version that replaces and rebrands it, while also requiring a much more powerful computer to use.... and a lot of fans are furious, rightly so.
think of it like this:
They released an update to the game. It'sa big update, and they want to increase their marketing mojo so they release the update and rename the listing to "WIII Reforged: Game of the Year Edition"
it's the same game according to the gameid, so your computer downloads the update cause it's your game. but look at this it runs like shit on your computer, and even though you didn't want the update because it's just redoing the voice acting and upping the textures you still got the update and there's no way to opt out of it.
so, you got the old version forcibly uninstalled and replaced with the new version because to your computer, the storefront, and the launcher they're the same game (even though they aren't) and there's no mechanism for downgrading versions because this is a multiplayer game and you must be up to date to play, even if you're doing a singleplayer game, or bots only. so you can't play because the version that works on your computer won't launch because it's not the current version and the current version is so "awesomesauce textures and everything!" that it runs like ass on your PC, so you open a support ticket because you want to play the old version of the game because you like that version and it was better anyway. and the support technician's response is "don't worry! the game will still be there when you upgrade your computer!" and you're like "but that's not the point......."
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@Vixen Actually, it's a different storefront (new one is in battle.net, old one isn't). I'm not sure how auto-updater for the old one works, but the old matchmaker was turned off. I've heard it said you can still install the original off CD, probably get the patches somewhere, and you should be fine for single player and LAN play.
It is of course dubious that they're advertising cross play with the original, while actually that's mostly because they patched the original to match the remaster.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
did i use too many words?
sorry, i'l say it simpler.
Blizzard makes new version of game.
Thinks game is awesome
Forces all current owners of the game to use new version and breaks old version.
New version is shit on systems that played old version just fine.
User complains to support that they want to use their game.
Support says "it's cool! just upgrade your PC fam! All will be better with a new PC!'
User goes "uhh..... that's not a solution."
Support goes "Sorry, that ticket's closed. Open a new ticket?"
need it simpler?
okay:
Blizzard is full of shit and treats users poorly.
still too many words?
Okay: Cuddle Foxes
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@Vixen said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
did i use too many words?
sorry, i'l say it simpler.No, I completely understood the situation, even before that explanation. It's just a bit mind-boggling that Blizzard would actually do something like that. It doesn't make sense, from multiple different perspectives, enough to be worth three s.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
It doesn't make sense
that's AAA publishers for you.
once you realize their singular motivation is unchecked and unregulated greed things become a lot more understandable.
not less WTFery
more understandable.
not more ethical
more understandable
not more legal
more understandable.
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@Vixen said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
once you realize their singular motivation is unchecked and unregulated greed things become a lot more understandable.
That's the primary perspective by which it does not make sense, though! If you're creating such a massively updated version, why give it away to existing customers?!? You don't see Square Enix giving away the FF7 Remake to people who bought FF7 20-odd years ago, do you?
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
@Vixen said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
once you realize their singular motivation is unchecked and unregulated greed things become a lot more understandable.
That's the primary perspective by which it does not make sense, though! If you're creating such a massively updated version, why give it away to existing customers?!? You don't see Square Enix giving away the FF7 Remake to people who bought FF7 20-odd years ago, do you?
To give the buyers of the HD edition an existing player base to matchmake against.
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@PleegWat But they said it's supposed to match up with existing installs anyway. And if the netcode and basic game mechanics remain the same, there's no good reason why that shouldn't be true without the forced upgrade.
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@Mason_Wheeler I strongly doubt the netcode is compatible. Unlike starcraft, which was still a sprite-based game even with the remaster and whose requirements probably stayed reasonable although they did do the same thing, with the wc3 remaster they backported most of the wow graphics engine. And wow's been in active development for the last 20 years.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
It's just a bit mind-boggling that Blizzard would actually do something like that.
Have you been paying attention to Blizzard lately?
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@hungrier Not particularly. They haven't released anything that caught my interest since Legacy of the Void.
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@Mason_Wheeler I haven't been interested in their games for a while but lately they keep making the news for the wrong reasons, as outlined earlier in this thread and others
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@levicki said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
@Vixen said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
once you realize their singular motivation is unchecked and unregulated greed things become a lot more understandable.
I thought what they did was just incompetence?
the two are not mutually exclusive
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@PleegWat said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
Actually, it's a different storefront (new one is in battle.net, old one isn't). I'm not sure how auto-updater for the old one works, but the old matchmaker was turned off. I've heard it said you can still install the original off CD, probably get the patches somewhere, and you should be fine for single player and LAN play.
Well if you had WC3/FT on Battle.net before Reforged came out, it's the same launcher.
Since Reforged came out you just select between Classic and Reforged graphics, unless you only own Classic in which case the Reforged option isn't available.I misplaced my WC3/FT discs a while ago so I don't know whether the Battle.net client was a requirement for multiplayer even if it was originally bought on a disc.
@PleegWat said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
It is of course dubious that they're advertising cross play with the original, while actually that's mostly because they patched the original to match the remaster.
Quite.
@Mason_Wheeler said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
why give it away to existing customers?!? You don't see Square Enix giving away the FF7 Remake to people who bought FF7 20-odd years ago, do you?
They're not. If you don't own Reforged, you don't get Reforged. You get Classic with a different client.
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@loopback0 said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
Well if you had WC3/FT on Battle.net before Reforged came out, it's the same launcher.
Nope, before reforged released WC3 was never in the 'modern' unified battle.net launcher. The button's been there for a year or so, but it never worked until reforged released. Also SC1 before it was remastered wasn't in the launcher, and D2 still isn't in it.
And while I can't verify, I don't think there was ever an automatic patching system for any of them beyond not being able to connect to the online matchmaking server and official ladders if you weren't patched.
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@loopback0 said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
They're not. If you don't own Reforged, you don't get Reforged. You get Classic with a different client.
But isn't Reforged the new version that just came out?
Or is that what I'm missing? Has Reforged been around for a long time already?
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
But isn't Reforged the new version that just came out?
Yes.
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@loopback0 Then what was the thing that got force-upgraded and screwed it up for people with lower-end hardware?
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@Mason_Wheeler With reforged, they disabled the matchmaking servers for WC3 <= 1.31. WC3 1.32 is reforged. If you don't have a reforged license, you don't get the improved graphics, sound, and other 'HD' features. But you do get reforged in all other ways. And if you stay on 1.31, you can't play online anymore.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
@loopback0 Then what was the thing that got force-upgraded and screwed it up for people with lower-end hardware?
The pre-Reforged version now requires the Reforged client for online play.
There's a switch between Classic and Reforged in the options, and without owning Reforged you can't select Reforged.
You still need that client, and you still need like tenfold the storage space but you don't get Reforged unless you bought it.From the Interwebs:
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@Mason_Wheeler said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
@loopback0 Then what was the thing that got force-upgraded and screwed it up for people with lower-end hardware?
If you only own Classic you get the old(-style) graphics in the new frontend and engine. The updater for the old version replaces it with the new version and you have to download the new graphics since they're part of the game files (taking up an order of magnitude more space). Performance goes down because of the new engine and various options have been removed, some locked behind buying the new graphics (shadows, for a weird example) and some just not implemented at all (like custom campaigns).
Edit: I see the ninjas are out today.
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@Parody said in Bethesda dealing with Fallout:
some just not implemented at all (like custom campaigns).
No custom campaigns, no need to apply a rude word filter to their naming! Win--win!