This scrollbar makes me physically sick
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@gribnit I don't think it matters at speeds lower than 1Gbps.
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My former ISP used DOCSIS, their modem was a ten-year-old cheapo Taiwanese one, and their customer service got worse every year. But they still allowed me to choose my WiFi settings and keep them over a modem power cycle ; I consider it a bare minimum feature.
And there's actually a way to fuck ADSL customers too: refuse to provide the connection parameters to your customers, forcing them to use only the ISP-supplied modem. I've heard of ISPs doing that.
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@zerosquare said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
My former ISP used DOCSIS, their modem was a ten-year-old cheapo Taiwanese one, and their customer service got worse every year. But they still allowed me to choose my WiFi settings and keep them over a modem power cycle ; I consider it a bare minimum feature.
Whereas my ISP changed admin password and refuses to give it to me. So I can't even disable this stupid 2.4G/5G dual-SSID bullshit.
And there's actually a way to fuck ADSL customers too: refuse to provide the connection parameters to your customers, forcing them to use only the ISP-supplied modem. I've heard of ISPs doing that.
This is only problematic if the modem doubles as router with custom firmware with most configuration options stripped off. Which admittedly might be the case somewhere, but personally I've never heard anyone having to live with that.
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Expected: http://zweig.co/jankyscroll/
Actual: somehow worse
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@gąska I don't see any extra 3 second scrolling Chrome on Win 10. But the whole site raped my eyes. What the fuck is up with things scrolling at different speeds like this what is the fucking point!!!!
If i ever get to poland, get a house, get a job then get a car to go to work and then find a girlfriend, and then go places and then go shopping and whatnot and then suddenly there's a baby on its way. The baby eventually comes out and then it is waking up all the time losing sleep and eyes have permanent bags under them. Then things get heated up into screaming matches and then finally she decides to take the baby with her to her mama's place for a week. I find myself alone at home and then go hey well let's get a PC and play some games. Well guess what, I know who I'm not asking to build my fucking PC for sure!
"I will fucking go out of my way to burn your business down if your website rapes my eyes" is my stand on this whole thing. You just want to send an email, good on you.
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Looks fine on mobile (chrome on android).
I assume they've made it look good on mobile and forgot to test desktop.
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@ben_warre said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Looks fine on mobile (chrome on android).
Because the custom scroll doesn't load.
I assume they've made it look good on mobile and forgot to test desktop.
Quite the opposite - they make it look "good" on desktop and forgot about mobile, leaving the default behavior.
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Windows 10, Chrome 67 - same retarded behavior, although maybe a little faster (might be my imagination - haven't tested it side by side with Ubuntu laptop).
Question to all people testing this site - how fast are you scrolling? I do a quick sweep from the very front to the very back of exposed part of scroll wheel, and the inertia is extremely noticable then. When I'm scrolling slowly (something I never do except when I'm testing how things behave when I scroll slowly), it behaves almost normally.
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Same here with Firefox on Windows 7. If I scroll slowly, it's somewhat tolerable. If I scroll quickly, it's really awkward.
Looks like they reinvented smooth scrolling poorly, without understanding the concept of acceleration.
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@blakeyrat said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@loopback0 said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
and Chrome on Win 10 too.
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Did they fix the site in the last 4 hours? Are you victims of a A/B test?
Works for me.
EDIT: works ok in Edge too, but the parallax scrolling effect is more pronounced. I don't have any other browsers installed on this laptop to try.
I was just looking at it in Edge on Win10 (April18 edition). Vile. Huge inertia. Maybe they use heavy pixels or something. Or maybe it doesn't cope with a 4K screen very well.
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@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Windows 10, Chrome 67 - same retarded behavior, although maybe a little faster (might be my imagination - haven't tested it side by side with Ubuntu laptop).
Question to all people testing this site - how fast are you scrolling? I do a quick sweep from the very front to the very back of exposed part of scroll wheel, and the inertia is extremely noticable then. When I'm scrolling slowly (something I never do except when I'm testing how things behave when I scroll slowly), it behaves almost normally.
That's my observed behaviour. I vote for them having used heavy pixels.
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@steve_the_cynic said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
heavy pixels
What's that? Never heard this term, and Google's being unusually unhelpful.
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@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@steve_the_cynic said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
heavy pixels
What's that? Never heard this term, and Google's being unusually unhelpful.
They're pixels, except that they have a glandular disorder.
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I tried scrolling on my other Windows 10 computer (Firefox 61.0.1), this time with touchpad two-finger gesture, which itself has lots of inertia. The results are even more interesting: a single sweep can get me across the entire page! It takes almost exactly 10 seconds after sweep to reach the end, and the speed is almost constand until the last few centimeters.
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@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@steve_the_cynic said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
heavy pixels
What's that? Never heard this term, and Google's being unusually unhelpful.
Um. It's a joke. The pixels are heavy, so they take longer to slow down. You know, high mass, high inertia. Boom! Boom!(1)
(1) Ancient British cultural reference. Look up "Basil Brush".
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@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Windows 10, Chrome 67 - same retarded behavior, although maybe a little faster (might be my imagination - haven't tested it side by side with Ubuntu laptop).
It seemed different to me on Windows than it was on MacOS, although I was using a mouse on Windows and a trackpad on MacOS so maybe that's the difference?
@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
I do a quick sweep from the very front to the very back of exposed part of scroll wheel, and the inertia is extremely noticable then. When I'm scrolling slowly (something I never do except when I'm testing how things behave when I scroll slowly), it behaves almost normally.
Yeah, same.
Whatever it is, it's
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@steve_the_cynic said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Boom! Boom!(1)
(1) Ancient British cultural reference. Look up "Basil Brush".It's not even that old - there was a more recent (within the last 15 years) remake of the show and he apparently even appeared in the poo attempt at bringing the Generation Game back earlier this year.
edit: I meant poor not poo but that works too.
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@loopback0 said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@steve_the_cynic said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Boom! Boom!(1)
(1) Ancient British cultural reference. Look up "Basil Brush".It's not even that old - there was a more recent (within the last 15 years) remake of the show and he apparently even appeared in the poo attempt at bringing the Generation Game back earlier this year.
edit: I meant poor not poo but that works too.
Sure. Well, OK, I'll take your word for it on the TV thing. I have a fairly unambiguous disinterest in TV in general, but Basil Brush is a long-standing part of my childhood, and I can still hear "Boom! Boom!" as a sort of punctuation mark at the end of jokes, even if it isn't there.
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@steve_the_cynic said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Basil Brush is a long-standing part of my childhood
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I'm using a touchpad with Chrome on a Win7 laptop.
https://skladamy-komputery.pl/ keeps scrolling after I start two-finger scrolling, unless I scroll just a teeny-tiny bit. A big swipe results in getting down most of the page. It's also wonky to click the "return to top" button after starting a swipe-scroll.
http://zweig.co/jankyscroll/ scrolls almost correctly. I just get a few minor bups as the page scrolls, but end up at the right place at the end of the scroll.
UnFortunately, I can adjust the janking parameters via the console in the developer tools.https://www.fastlan.pl/ seems to have a (-n almost) normal website.
Oh, and I don't see the "UWAGA!" popup, so I didn't understand the references until I watched @bb36e's videos.
And I don't recall having ever known of Basil Brush before.
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@djls45 said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Oh, and I don't see the "UWAGA!" popup, so I didn't understand the references until I watched @bb36e's videos.
Not understanding the references? SAD! UWAGA!
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@blakeyrat said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@bb36e I'm not calling people liars, I'm just saying that doesn't happen on my computer. That fake yellow scrollbar never even appears. The site just uses the normal Chrome scrollbar.
Same here with Firefox on Windows 10. Well, it uses the normal Firefox scrollbar, not the normal Chrome scrollbar, I guess. :) I se a very mild parallax scroll - I didn't even notice it the first time I tried the site - and no other strange effects, certainly not like @bb36e's video.
Maybe a screen resolution thing? I'm running at 1280x1024.
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@scarlet_manuka said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Maybe a screen resolution thing? I'm running at 1280x1024.
My laptop is 1080p and the window was maximized. However, everything on the web is broken garbage and since DPI is set to either 150% or 175% (I can't remember) god knows what resolution the website thinks it is.
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@hardwaregeek Yeah, on Firefox on Linux I'm not seeing anything unusual either. I can't tell if it's got odd inertia or not, maybe there's something going on there.
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I kinda like it. It's not super practical, and it'd be nicer if they made scrolling with the middle mouse button work, but nevertheless it's kinda neat. It makes it feel more like a slideshow or an animation than a webpage, but it works for what it is.
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@anotherusername said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
it'd be nicer if they made scrolling with the middle mouse button work
Middle-click + move up or down worked for me. Are you referring to something else, or is this just another example of "works on some random machines but not others"?
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@scarlet_manuka no, that didn't work for me. FF61/Win7.
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@anotherusername Hooray for Web 3.0, where WOSM is good enough.
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@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@anonymous234 said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
For too long, content providers have allowed ungrateful users to scroll wherever they please. With jankyscroll, you can assert your rightful dominance as a Provider of Value, and stop those thankless users from flippantly scrolling all over your site.
That almost sounds like actual ISP logic.
Yeah. I can't even disable Wi-Fi in my modem without calling them!
What's wrong with a tiny drill to the wifi radio? Put a dab of black plastic filler over it afterwards. Done.
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@lorne-kates I have to return it after the contract is over, and it must be in pristine condition.
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@gąska Is there no factory reset switch that you can push while it's disconnected from the coax?
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@pie_flavor there is. Once it resets and reconnects to WAN, the configuration gets overridden by whatever my ISP has saved.
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@gąska And I assume there's a reason you haven't replaced it with one you bought yourself.
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@pie_flavor buying one costs money.
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@gąska I mean, this level of shittiness is what you should expect from an ISP-provided router. We didn't get one in the first place, and I've never had any complaints with the one we bought instead.
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@pie_flavor said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@gąska I mean, this level of shittiness is what you should expect from an ISP-provided router.
I know that, and I'm okay with it if it saves me $50 I'd have to spend otherwise. But it's still shitty, and I'm going to whine about it.
Also. They've sold me 150Mbps connection. Their router only manages 50Mbps over Wi-Fi, and it's down to 5Mbps two rooms over. My previous solution was to chain it with the good router I've already owned - it worked, but then I've had three Wi-Fi networks. A minor nuisance (and even smaller security risk), but still a nuisance (and security risk). But then my dear brother lost his guitar effect's power adapter, and noticed that the router's adapter fits into the effect, so he borrowed it on his trip to a friend's home in another city, and forgot to bring it back, and instead of telling me so I can get a proper replacement, he tried to find one on his own, and got adapter with reverse polarization, which not only didn't work, but when I finally got around to get a proper adapter, it turned out the reverse polarization has permanently damaged Wi-Fi chip and now it works no better than the ISP-supplied one. So my current solution is to just deal with it. I don't want to spend a dime on non-critical electronic equipment as long as I'm living with my brother. He busted two of my gaming keyboards, too!
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@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Whereas my ISP changed admin password and refuses to give it to me. So I can't even disable this stupid 2.4G/5G dual-SSID bullshit.
That's what they do to ADSL modems here, yes. Why would you think it's impossible?
Luckily, my current ISP left damned near everything unlocked through user settings, and I handle anything more advanced than a port forward on a separate switch, so
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@onyx said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Whereas my ISP changed admin password and refuses to give it to me. So I can't even disable this stupid 2.4G/5G dual-SSID bullshit.
That's what they do to ADSL modems here, yes. Why would you think it's impossible?
Because (from what I understand) the DOCSIS standard includes CMTS protocol for controlling router configuration, while I'm not aware of any similar solution for ADSL, and I wouldn't think any ISP would go to such lengths as to reimplement it in-house just to deny the users control over their home networks. Although I don't really know much about networking, so my entire knowledge might be wrong. It's just that all DOCSIS ISPs I know do that, and no ADSL ISPs I know do that.
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@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Because (from what I understand) the DOCSIS standard includes CMTS protocol for controlling router configuration, while I'm not aware of any similar solution for ADSL, and I wouldn't think any ISP would go to such lengths as to reimplement it in-house just to deny the users control over their home networks.
If you do a factory reset, it syncs up with their servers and sets everything to their defaults, yes. The last 3 routers I had did that, and they were all from varying manufacturers. Not sure if it's a stock option or a feature of a custom firmware (most of them at least flash them with a firmware that has a changed admin password and ISP's logo in the web UI). Luckily, I don't change many settings and those would be lost anyway on a factory reset.
Resetting stuff on every reconnect would be a dick move, yes. I don't know if they can do it, but they don't. Currently.
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@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@lorne-kates I have to return it after the contract is over, and it must be in pristine condition.
Hence the dab of black plastic to cover up the hole in the case.
If they complain the wifi isn't working, just shrug and say "I dunno, I never used it. Your equipment, your problem."
They'll RMA it (or just junk it, since the modem will be obsolete by then). If RMA'd, the manufacture will just junk it and send a new one (because it's cheaper than paying someone who knows microelectronics).
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@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@pie_flavor buying one costs money.
In the US, people who don't buy one "rent" them from the ISP for like $5-$10/month. Most of them aren't aware you can just buy your own and case the rental costs.
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@blakeyrat that's why when I was in USA, I did buy my own modem. Had trouble finding anything online, because back then I didn't realize there are other broadband internet standards than ADSL, and ADSL modems almost don't exist in USA. So went with $100 one I found in Walmart, and it served me very well. But then, internet in USA doesn't need good equipment.
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It's strange how the situation is reversed here (France).
Even though most people use their ISP-provided equipment, ADSL modems have always been easily available in computer stores.
But DOCSIS modems? Never seen them for sale anywhere. And even if you could buy one, it probably wouldn't work: cable companies don't allow devices whose MAC address doesn't match the one you should be using to authenticate on their network.
Which also means that when your connection is malfunctioning, you can't borrow a friend's modem to test whether this is a hardware problem.
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@zerosquare said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
It's strange how the situation is reversed here (France).
Even though most people use their ISP-provided equipment, ADSL modems have always been easily available in computer stores.
But DOCSIS modems? Never seen them for sale anywhere. And even if you could buy one, it probably wouldn't work: cable companies don't allow devices whose MAC address doesn't match the one you should be using to authenticate on their network.
Which also means that when your connection is malfunctioning, you can't borrow a friend's modem to test whether this is a hardware problem.
Clone MAC address?
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I don't know if this is possible with DOCSIS modems. (I'm talking about the MAC address on the DOCSIS side, not on the LAN side).
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@zerosquare said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
It's strange how the situation is reversed here (France).
Even though most people use their ISP-provided equipment, ADSL modems have always been easily available in computer stores.
Curious Coincidence: "here" means France when I say it, too. I'd also point out that among the ADSL gear you can buy in hypermarchés (not just computer stores, but souped-up supermarkets like Carrefour and Auchan), you can find exactly the same hardware that Orange (formerly France Telecom, the "incumbent" provider(1)) provide for its customers.
(1) At least France doesn't seem to have the oddity that Britain has, where although there is, in any one place, just one incumbent, that incumbent isn't the same everywhere. For hystorickal(2) reasons, the poor citizens(3) of Kingston-upon-Hull have "Kingston Communications" as their incumbent instead of the General Post Office. Er. British Telecommunications. Er. BT.
(2) A fusion of "hysterical", "historical", and deliberately erratic spelling.
(3) I haven't heard much that's good about Kingston Communications, whence "poor" in the sense of "unfortunate", although most of them probably aren't rich.
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@steve_the_cynic said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Curious Coincidence: "here" means France when I say it, too.
The coincidence is even stronger than you think. We're probably only a few kilometers away from each other, and unless I'm confusing you with somebody else, I'm pretty sure I know which company you work for even though you didn't name it.
(No, I'm not stalking you or anything. I was just surprised to find someone mentioning familiar stuff in the last place I'd expect it.)Kingston Communications
Before noticing you were talking about the UK, I had a vision of a street vendor with dreadlocks asking "wanna buy some ADSL, mon? It's good stuff."
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@zerosquare said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Before noticing you were talking about the UK, I had a vision of a street vendor with dreadlocks asking "wanna buy some ADSL, mon? It's good stuff."
They're Hull based so it's still not entirely unlikely.
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@loopback0 said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
They're Hull based so it's still not entirely unlikely.
I'd guess “ravening zombies” or something, given that we're talking about Hull…
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@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
they have custom scrollbar too
Huh, must not be working on my Chrome....
@bb36e said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
@anonymous234 said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Nicescroll
jankyscroll.js: A Javascript scrolling plugin that doesn't need to exist.
Funny enough, Chrome's anti-jelly-potato seems to
fixbreak this fairly well, you can see it twitch, but otherwise your place isn't really lost like it wants to.
I had to load up the demo page in Edge to see it in action.@zerosquare said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
And there's actually a way to fuck ADSL customers too: refuse to provide the connection parameters to your customers, forcing them to use only the ISP-supplied modem. I've heard of ISPs doing that.
UVerse, for example. It's extremely difficult to get a customer-supplied modem authenticated on the network (Source: Myself as a Tier1 rep).
@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
got adapter with reverse polarization, which not only didn't work, but when I finally got around to get a proper adapter, it turned out the reverse polarization has permanently damaged Wi-Fi chip and now it works no better than the ISP-supplied one.
Holy fuck I'm surprised it worked at all! That kinda thing usually lets the magic smoke come out...
@gąska said in This scrollbar makes me physically sick:
Because (from what I understand) the DOCSIS standard includes CMTS protocol for controlling router configuration, while I'm not aware of any similar solution for ADSL, and I wouldn't think any ISP would go to such lengths as to reimplement it in-house just to deny the users control over their home networks.
Oh yes, a UVerse agent can (essentially) control every single aspect of a customer's modem, so long as it's synced to the network. We can turn on/off wifi, adjust port forwards, pretty much everything the customer can.
But at least it's not locked out for the customer, if they had the know-how they could do the same things.