Android without google?
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@luhmann said in Android without google?:
@mrl
That applies to all apps that are updated through the store. Since all official google stuff goes through that yes the Google apps will be limited to wifi. If however your Samcrap phone updates through the non-default channel you should look at those settings too.Mine insists on being on WiFi to do that. (I think it does - I know it only does the update after I say 'ok')
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@parody said in Android without google?:
I rarely get unwanted notifications; applications that show them either get uninstalled or get their ability to show notifications taken away.
Yep, any unwanted notification sends me to the settings screen to block all notifications from the app.
@blakeyrat said in Android without google?:
it won't count unreal emails
That seems like a feature to me (what do you mean, it should have been obvious that was a typo? I'm not psychic you know, you need to say what you mean).
@pie_flavor said in Android without google?:
Either you did install apps or you weren't using the phone to its fullest.
Since when did "using the phone to its fullest" become a requirement? If the preinstalled apps did everything he wanted, why would he have needed to install more?
@luhmann said in Android without google?:
["auto-update over wi-fi only" setting]
Updates are only part of it. Regular use is another part. Whenever I turn data on on my phone, the app store and Gmail immediately hog bandwidth for a few minutes checking to see if there's anything new, while the thing that I wanted to use the data for struggles to get any. There doesn't appear to be any way to stop this happening short of force-stopping them.
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@blakeyrat said in Android without google?:
does the phone lower the volume even when it knows it's not the speaker? Because in the latter case: hahahaha fucking Europeans and their dumb-ass laws.
Whenever you write something like that do you not stop to think for a second that it's not the law but Google's retarded implementation?
On my iPhone the limitation only sets in for headphones and you can turn off don't-kill-my-ears-mode in the settings.
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@scarlet_manuka said in Android without google?:
Updates are only part of it. Regular use is another part. Whenever I turn data on on my phone, the app store and Gmail immediately hog bandwidth for a few minutes checking to see if there's anything new, while the thing that I wanted to use the data for struggles to get any. There doesn't appear to be any way to stop this happening short of force-stopping them.
Is it possible to block the store from accessing network? Take away privileges, turn off, or anything?
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@mrl It looks like I can get around GMail hogging data by telling it not to sync my account - I'll just have to remember to change that setting on the rare occasions when I actually want to use it. (Looks like it warns on launch, so I'll just have to remember to put it back to not syncing when I finish using it.)
I've put the play store onto "do not auto-update" mode, I'll give it a week or two to allow some updates to build up and then see if it still wants to hog data.
Ideally I'd like to leave apps like these on the "keep things up to date" setting but just not have them run until I explicitly run them, but this doesn't seem to be possible. (Well, I can force-stop them, but they'll start again when the phone reboots.)
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@scarlet_manuka said in Android without google?:
@mrl It looks like I can get around GMail hogging data by telling it not to sync my account
I won't use gmail at all - if setting it to 'no sync' is enough to stop it from interfering, then ok. I'd prefer to kill it altogether, but this seems impossible.
I've put the play store onto "do not auto-update" mode, I'll give it a week or two to allow some updates to build up and then see if it still wants to hog data.
Ideally I'd like to leave apps like these on the "keep things up to date" setting but just not have them run until I explicitly run them, but this doesn't seem to be possible. (Well, I can force-stop them, but they'll start again when the phone reboots.)
Yeah, a button "Now update and hog all the data you want, now is the right time" would be ideal.
As a side note, email, calendar and updates never got in my way on Windows Phone. Just saying.
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@mrl I do want to use gmail on my phone. Roughly once every few months.
Yeah, a button "Now update and hog all the data you want, now is the right time" would be ideal.
In my ideal world, that button would be the "start this app" button, because the app wouldn't be running at all unless I tell it to.
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@scarlet_manuka said in Android without google?:
@mrl I do want to use gmail on my phone. Roughly once every few months.
Yeah, a button "Now update and hog all the data you want, now is the right time" would be ideal.
In my ideal world, that button would be the "start this app" button, because the app wouldn't be running at all unless I tell it to.
QFT
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@scarlet_manuka said in Android without google?:
@mrl I do want to use gmail on my phone. Roughly once every few months.
Yeah, a button "Now update and hog all the data you want, now is the right time" would be ideal.
In my ideal world, that button would be the "start this app" button, because the app wouldn't be running at all unless I tell it to.
Hell fucking no. 'Hey, I see you wanted to get something done right this second, how about I do a thirty second update.'
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@pie_flavor The update part was in the context of updating apps through the play store. At least when I was talking about it. :)
In general, the idea of my post was that a data-using app should not start using data until I explicitly start the app. It shouldn't wake itself up and start using data as soon as the data connection is turned on, because it's probably not the app I turned the data connection on for. If it is, I'll tell it by launching it.
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@scarlet_manuka said in Android without google?:
In general, the idea of my post was that a data-using app should not start using data until I explicitly start the app. It shouldn't wake itself up and start using data as soon as the data connection is turned on, because it's probably not the app I turned the data connection on for. If it is, I'll tell it by launching it.
If you want it global, there's an option called "Restrict background data" which (contrary to what the following warning states) means that in order for the App to use the Internet at all it must be the active application.
This means, for example, if I'm not in Gmail, Gmail can't sync or do anything related to Internet.
You can also do this on a case-by-case basis:
However I do believe the global setting takes precedence if it's enabled.
Edit: Keep in mind these screenshots were taken on Android 6.0.1, your version may vary.
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@tsaukpaetra Does this option still allow them to use cellular data, when active? I'm almost never connected to wi-fi and use cellular data when I need internet access on my phone.
[ETA] Ooh, lovely, now I have a permanent warning icon in the notification spot.
Background data restricted
Touch to remove restriction.I can't dismiss it without turning off the restriction. Another example of the UI designers thinking everyone uses their phones the same way.
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@scarlet_manuka said in Android without google?:
Does this option still allow them to use cellular data, when active? I'm almost never connected to wi-fi and use cellular data when I need internet access on my phone
Testing....
Yep.
Also, Loading the forum on 3g can take a while...
Edit: I should probably just stop taking screenshots on my phone...
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@topspin said in Android without google?:
On my iPhone the limitation only sets in for headphones
How does the phone know if what's plugged in to the
headphone jackextra, easily lost dongle in the Lightning port is a pair of headphones, a small set of speakers or an FM transmitter?
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@jaloopa Impedance. The earphones will have an impedance of a few tens of ohms, the input of a set of speakers will have an impedance of a few tens of kohms.
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@scarlet_manuka said in Android without google?:
[ETA] Ooh, lovely, now I have a permanent warning icon in the notification spot.
Background data restricted
Touch to remove restriction.
I can't dismiss it without turning off the restriction. Another example of the UI designers thinking everyone uses their phones the same way.Someone explain to Google what the word "notification" means.
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@blakeyrat said in Android without google?:
@scarlet_manuka said in Android without google?:
[ETA] Ooh, lovely, now I have a permanent warning icon in the notification spot.
Background data restricted
Touch to remove restriction.
I can't dismiss it without turning off the restriction. Another example of the UI designers thinking everyone uses their phones the same way.Someone explain to Google what the word "notification" means.
Contrary to
popularyour opinion, it means something a user may want to be notified of, not something all users always want to be notified of.
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@pie_flavor Right; like if I turn off spell checker in Word, every time I start up Word it should put up a giant banner that says "SPELL CHECKER IS TURNED OFF, CLICK HERE TO TURN IT BACK ON".
Because obviously when I toggled the setting I was a stupid moron idiot and didn't mean it.
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@blakeyrat But that's not a notification. That's a pop-up. It's obtrusive. If there was a small box at the bottom right of the screen, which told me that spell-checker was disabled and then disappeared, using the desktop notification system, I would be fine with that.
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@pie_flavor People don't need to be notified of things they already know. Like "you turned this feature on" or the most ridiculous one, "you plugged your phone into a USB port".
I seriously have no clue what's wrong with your brain, but you are dead wrong on this and also I'll never be able to convince you so whatever.
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@blakeyrat But it is your claim, for some bugfuck retarded reason, that it somehow inconveniences you for a notification to be accessible telling you something you may have forgotten. In the new Android they've even collapsed them to a small bar in the notifications screen to make sure it's unobtrusive.
I seriously have no clue what's wrong with your brain, but you are dead wrong on this and also I'll never be able to convince you so whatever.
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@blakeyrat said in Android without google?:
@pie_flavor People don't need to be notified of things they already know. Like "you turned this feature on" or the most ridiculous one, "you plugged your phone into a USB port".
The USB port one can be regarded as a notification that the phone agrees that it has been plugged into a USB port. That might be something interesting and/or useful.
Relevant but unobvious (until you think about it, at which point the obviousness pokes both your eyes out) oddment on iPhone 5+ Lightning ports…
If you carry your phone in your pocket a lot, eventually the Lightning port becomes unreliable because the far end fills up with pocket fluff which becomes compacted and builds up and eventually prevents the Lightning plug's contacts from making contact with the ones in the socket on the phone (because you can't get the plug far enough in to the socket). If this happens, an ordinary sewing pin or needle will allow you to dig the fluff out and restore normal operation. And the "you plugged your phone into a USB port" notification / status indicator lets you see that unreliability in an unambiguous way.
EDIT: of course, the question of whether it should be a status indicator, a full-blown popup notification, or just a beep, is open for debate.
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@steve_the_cynic said in Android without google?:
The USB port one can be regarded as a notification that the phone agrees that it has been plugged into a USB port.
On mine it's a notification that "You're charging!
Now, for security reasons, I'm obviously not going to debug or share files via this connection unless you say so; you can tap here to say so."
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@blakeyrat said in Android without google?:
@pie_flavor People don't need to be notified of things they already know. Like "you turned this feature on" or the most ridiculous one, "you plugged your phone into a USB port".
Newest version of Windows 10:
HEY, YOU'VE BEEN PLAYING A GAME AND I DIDN'T BOTHER YOU WITH NOTIFICATIONS! HOW FANTASTIC IS THAT?!This is super useful of course, but I think it's not a mature feature yet. Every 7 minutest 47 seconds a notification should be displayed
DID YOU KNOW: YOU HAD NO NOTIFICATIONS FOR QUITE SOME TIME!On the other hand, when I watch a movie, Windows has no qualms to notify me, 10 minutes in:
I WILL RESTART YOUR COMPUTER FOR UPDATES IN 15 MINUTES. WHAT WILL YOU DO ABOUT THAT? HA HA HA
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@mrl said in Android without google?:
ewest version of Windows 10:
HEY, YOU'VE BEEN PLAYING A GAME AND I DIDN'T BOTHER YOU WITH NOTIFICATIONS! HOW FANTASTIC IS THAT?!Yeah, seemed like it took a bit before I could teach it that
offmeans off. (Focus assist: Off. A day or 2 later. Dammit, turn the fuck off!)
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@blakeyrat said in Android without google?:
People don't need to be notified of things they already know. Like "you turned this feature on" or the most ridiculous one, "you plugged your phone into a USB port".
They are using the notification bar as a system tray. I like the idea of all background things having something im the UI, so I can kill them, or at least know they are happening.
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Approximately once per week, my android-with-google phone wants me to re-train the 'ok google' sound detection.
I have 'ok google' intentionally turned off, and have had for as long as I've had this phone.
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@pleegwat said in Android without google?:
Approximately once per week, my android-with-google phone wants me to re-train the 'ok google' sound detection.
I have 'ok google' intentionally turned off, and have had for as long as I've had this phone.
OMG. Something Samsung did right? I have an S7 with voice off. Haven't been prompted for any retraining.
I do have a Samsung app (SmartThings / Samsung Connect) that wants to update - but wants more permissions. Since I can't uninstall (without rooting), fuckem. (Can't even disable the thing)
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@dcon Doubtful. Mine's also a samsung.
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@pleegwat said in Android without google?:
@dcon Doubtful. Mine's also a samsung.
Ah, the usual random effect.
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@dcon No. It's something Samsung did extremely wrong. It's impossible to 'Ok Google' with the screen off. This is not a software limitation, as it works just fine on Pixels, and it's not a hardware limitation, as it works just fine with Bixby. It's literally just Samsung being obstructive.
Fuck Samsung.
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@mrl said in Android without google?:
On the other hand, when I watch a movie, Windows has no qualms to notify me, 10 minutes in:
I WILL RESTART YOUR COMPUTER FOR UPDATES IN 15 MINUTES. WHAT WILL YOU DO ABOUT THAT? HA HA HA"Ah, see, you stopped moving your mouse or touching the keyboard. No, the fact that you're playing media doesn't tell me you're still using me. You're obviously not doing anything, so since you're not doing anything let me restart for you! ktxbye"
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@dcon said in Android without google?:
@mrl said in Android without google?:
ewest version of Windows 10:
HEY, YOU'VE BEEN PLAYING A GAME AND I DIDN'T BOTHER YOU WITH NOTIFICATIONS! HOW FANTASTIC IS THAT?!Yeah, seemed like it took a bit before I could teach it that
offmeans off. (Focus assist: Off. A day or 2 later. Dammit, turn the fuck off!)Accessibility shortcuts. Had to turn them off again today, because apparently Windows Update turned them on again.
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@hardwaregeek said in Android without google?:
@pie_flavor said in Android without google?:
Fuck Samsung.
Eeeew, no!
You never know until you try once!
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@doctorjones said in Android without google?:
If you want to go above the recommended volume, you must click OK on a dialog box.
ROOT. YOUR. FUCKING. PHONE.
I do not understand people who don't root the phone and drop Xposed on there.
Want to get rid of that dialog? There's a module.
Want to just put up with whatever the OS does and take it down the throat like a good boy? Buy an iPhone.
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@mrl said in Android without google?:
Is it possible to block the store from accessing network? Take away privileges, turn off, or anything?
ROOT. YOUR. FUCKING. PHONE.
Xposed. Install XPrivacy LUA, and block access. Or install a firewall. Or install Titanium Backup and freeze the store app. Or or or.
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@scarlet_manuka said in Android without google?:
this doesn't seem to be possible
Play store has an setting for "Never autoupdate". It'll give you a notification there are updates. You can go to My Apps and review each update. This is stock. You do not need to ROOT. YOUR. FUCKING. PHONE.
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@lorne-kates If you can find a way to root a Verizon-locked Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge, I'm all ears.
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@lorne-kates said in Android without google?:
ROOT. YOUR. FUCKING. PHONE.
I have recently been thinking about this. I've been trying to resist doing this for years, just so I can stay officially supported.
I've had my phone over a year, so I suppose I could try taking the plunge.
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@lorne-kates said in Android without google?:
Want to just put up with whatever the OS does and take it down the throat like a good boy? Buy an iPhone.
Fuck iPhones y'all.
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@pie_flavor said in Android without google?:
If there was a small box at the bottom right of the screen, which told me that spell-checker was disabled and then disappeared, using the desktop notification system, I would be fine with that.
The bolded part is what doesn't happen on Android, for the pseudo-notifications Blakey and I are complaining about. Every time I unlock my phone I see a banner reminding me that I've restricted background data and prompting me to change that setting. Every time I check my genuine notifications it tells me again, and I can't dismiss it. Same thing for the USB connection one - though at least that does serve a little more purpose in allowing you to change connection mode, which is occasionally useful. A permanent notification is the wrong way to do this, though.
@lorne-kates said in Android without google?:
It'll give you a notification there are updates.
Yeah, the checking for updates part is the part I was saying doesn't seem to be possible to get rid of.
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@pie_flavor said in Android without google?:
@dcon No. It's something Samsung did extremely wrong. It's impossible to 'Ok Google' with the screen off. This is not a software limitation, as it works just fine on Pixels, and it's not a hardware limitation, as it works just fine with Bixby. It's literally just Samsung being obstructive.
Fuck Samsung.Eh, you're half right. It'll pick up the "OK, Google" while the phone's locked, but won't actually bring up the interaction bit where you can ask it whatever until you unlock the phone. At least that's how it works on my Pixel 2 XL.
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@lorne-kates said in Android without google?:
ROOT. YOUR. FUCKING. PHONE.
I do not understand people who don't root the phone and drop Xposed on there.Some apps don't like rooted phones. Netflix is one and I use it a lot.
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@sockpuppet7 said in Android without google?:
Some apps don't like rooted phones. Netflix is one and I use it a lot.
You can hide root from those apps.
It's root all the way down.
Root is a fun word (especially with the Australian connotation).
Root root root root root.
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@e4tmyl33t said in Android without google?:
At least that's how it works on my Pixel 2 XL.
You seem to have missed where I said 'Samsung' three times.
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@pie_flavor You had referenced Pixels allowing you to do it with no problems. I spoke of my Pixel's limitation on it. I'm not sure what the problem is.
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@e4tmyl33t I think there's a setting on whether or not it's allowed to unlock your phone. You have to do voice training first as well.
