Lime scooters
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@anotherusername Guinness or Ripley?
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@anotherusername said in Lime scooters:
@boomzilla It was close enough for the record books, anyway.
That close is plenty far enough away from my lawn that won't get in trouble, though.
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@anotherusername said in Lime scooters:
Bird could try to punish its customers for doing this, but how is it in their best interest to do so? There's nothing to incentivize them to punish their own paying customers, unless it's to avoid being punished themselves for something that isn't their fault and which they couldn't reasonably have prevented.
Like... people leaving their scooters in private property?
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@Zecc said in Lime scooters:
@anotherusername said in Lime scooters:
Bird could try to punish its customers for doing this, but how is it in their best interest to do so? There's nothing to incentivize them to punish their own paying customers, unless it's to avoid being punished themselves for something that isn't their fault and which they couldn't reasonably have prevented.
Like... people leaving their scooters in private property?
Yes?
They don't have to go to a lot of extra effort to make sure that their users follow the laws. Their users should do that all by themselves. There's certainly no incentive for the users to not follow the laws -- unless that's to go and retrieve a scooter that someone else already ditched on private property. And at that point, frankly, I don't know what else they should do.
It's worth pointing out here that inadvertent trespass is generally not a crime. Trespassing only becomes illegal if you trespass for the purposes of committing another crime, or, if you've been personally informed that the property owner doesn't want you trespassing there (a "no trespassing" sign is sufficient notice of this in some jurisdictions... but not necessarily in all of them), and you refuse to heed their wishes and trespass anyway.
I seriously doubt that either leaving a scooter on what might be private property adjacent to public property, or entering that private property even if you knew to be private property to retrieve a scooter that had been left there by someone else, would be criminal trespassing. The scooter obviously belongs to Bird, not the property owner, so there's no criminal intent in walking onto someone's lawn to grab it. You should, of course, assume that you don't have permission to drop it off there, but even then I don't think there would be criminal intent.
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Scooter injuries are a thing, and they’re sending people to the ER
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‘The problem is only going to get bigger.’
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Article @boomzilla linked in Lime scooters said:
Scooter injuries are a thing, and they’re sending people to the ER
‘The problem is only going to get bigger.’
others tripped over scooters while walking.
Fucking wankers. I bet they trip over the cracks in sidewalks too, eh?
or hurt themselves trying to lift one.
"Hur dur, look at me guys! I can lift this scooter!
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@boomzilla Perfect opportunity for the property owner to take the scooters, strip them for valuable parts, and toss the rest in the bin. The batteries and motor ought to be worth at least a little bit.
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@Carnage said in Lime scooters:
Perfect opportunity for the property owner to take the scooters, strip them for valuable parts, and toss the rest in the bin.
That'd be great… up until the scooter owner sues them for destruction of their scooter (a pretty easy case to win) and the property owner has to purchase a new scooter to replace the one they destroyed and tried to profit from the destruction of. The chance is strong that the property owner would end up taking quite a big loss unless they first get a court to rule that they own the scooter (as recompense for the formal trespass).
Basically, if someone leaves a scooter on your lawn, you don't suddenly become the owner of the scooter. You can tell them to keep the scooter off your lawn, you can remove the scooter to somewhere where they can retrieve it, but you can't destroy it or sell it.
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@dkf said in Lime scooters:
@Carnage said in Lime scooters:
Perfect opportunity for the property owner to take the scooters, strip them for valuable parts, and toss the rest in the bin.
That'd be great… up until the scooter owner sues them for destruction of their scooter (a pretty easy case to win) and the property owner has to purchase a new scooter to replace the one they destroyed and tried to profit from the destruction of. The chance is strong that the property owner would end up taking quite a big loss unless they first get a court to rule that they own the scooter (as recompense for the formal trespass).
Basically, if someone leaves a scooter on your lawn, you don't suddenly become the owner of the scooter. You can tell them to keep the scooter off your lawn, you can remove the scooter to somewhere where they can retrieve it, but you can't destroy it or sell it.
Not that I was particularly serious, but what are the laws regarding littering?
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@Carnage said in Lime scooters:
Not that I was particularly serious, but what are the laws regarding littering?
No idea, but I'd expect that to be on the person who actually dumped the scooter where they shouldn't.
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"Your honor, since the accuser abandoned the scooter on my client's property, and made no effort to get it back after being contacted, my client logically concluded the scooter was trash being illegally dumped. Being a responsible individual, my client ensured that the trash was disposed of in accordance with recycling policies."
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Wybuch hulajnogi elektrycznej w Poznaniu. Eksplozja była tak silna, że z okien wyleciały szyby
W Poznaniu wybuchła elektryczna hulajnoga. Według rozmówcy 'Radia Poznań' siła eksplozji była tak duża, że z 'z okien wyleciały szyby'.
Electric scooter explosion in Poznan. Windows in nearby buildings smashed.
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@MrL Any clue about what happened?
Hot gases or a serious fire are not uncommon, as can be seen in a video from 2018:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNBNe_Gq2X4
But blowing out windows? I'm somewhat sceptical.
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@JBert said in Lime scooters:
@MrL Any clue about what happened?
It exploded while charging, inside a building. Info about shattered windows is from a witness, not official sources.
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Lime halts scooter service in Switzerland after possible software glitch throws users off mid-ride | TechCrunch
Just as on-demand electric scooters are trying to pick up speed in Europe, one of the scooter market's most ambitious startups has halted operations in
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Please let it happen to @pie_flavor.
Please let it happen to @pie_flavor.
Please let it happen to @pie_flavor.
Please let it happen to @pie_flavor.
Please let it happen to @pie_flavor.
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@Polygeekery I actually managed to get one with a snapped brake cord recently, and yet the brake still worked correctly.
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@pie_flavor Earth-73 is magical.
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Yeah. Not only do they have non-broken versions of Windows 10 and Discourse, they also have wireless brakes.
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@Zerosquare said in Lime scooters:
wireless brakes
pfff ... as discussed elsewhere that already is a thing on bikes
Hydraulic disc brakes added to SRAM Red eTap wireless groupset
New SRAM HydroHC disc brake levers and calipers officially unveiled
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@Luhmann said in Lime scooters:
wireless brakes
pfff ... as discussed elsewhere that already is a thing on bikes
I think I even remember that post elsewere, but one
wouldn't be enough anyway. So now forgetting to charge the batteries gets you a free faceplant into the nearest oncoming car. Nevermind the random hiccups in wireless connections.
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@cvi said in Lime scooters:
So now forgetting to charge the batteries gets you a free faceplant into the nearest oncoming car.
Don't forget you won't be able to shift gears too ...
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@Luhmann said in Lime scooters:
@cvi said in Lime scooters:
So now forgetting to charge the batteries gets you a free faceplant into the nearest oncoming car.
Don't forget you won't be able to shift gears too ...
Gears are for weaklings.
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@Luhmann Doesn't a fixie typically still have two gears and a chain?
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@The_Quiet_One said in Lime scooters:
I still think the Juicero tops this thing as the stupidest investor-backed startup, though
See.... that's where the market throws a curveball.
It doesn't matter if the product is completely stupid. If people want it, it's not a stupid startup.
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@xaade said in Lime scooters:
It doesn't matter if the product is completely stupid. If people want it, it's not a stupid startup.
No. It can still be stupid. Stupid things can be successful.
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@xaade said in Lime scooters:
It doesn't matter if the product is completely stupid. If people want it, it's not a stupid startup.
No. It can still be stupid. Stupid things can be successful.
The thing is stupid, the startup is not.
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@PleegWat said in Lime scooters:
@Luhmann Doesn't a fixie typically still have two gears and a chain?
That's 2 sprockets. 1 gear. Though I guess since you can go backwards, you could argue that's 2 gears...
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@dcon said in Lime scooters:
That's 2 sprockets. 1 gear. Though I guess since you can go backwards, you could argue that's 2 gears...
Running the engine backwards doesn't make a reverse gear.
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@PleegWat said in Lime scooters:
@dcon said in Lime scooters:
That's 2 sprockets. 1 gear. Though I guess since you can go backwards, you could argue that's 2 gears...
Running the engine backwards doesn't make a reverse gear.
My engine doesn't run backwards. (Of course, I can't stay upright when I go backwards either - oh, and trying to brake with your legs on a fixed gear? Yeah, not going to work well at speed. BTDT.)
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@dcon said in Lime scooters:
oh, and trying to brake with your legs on a fixed gear? Yeah, not going to work well at speed.
Even if you did manage to not break your legs while trying to do so, the angular momentum will reduce the amount of friction between the rear wheel and the ground.
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@xaade said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@xaade said in Lime scooters:
It doesn't matter if the product is completely stupid. If people want it, it's not a stupid startup.
No. It can still be stupid. Stupid things can be successful.
The thing is stupid, the startup is not.
A startup can be dumb as fuck and successful. Often it's only kept going by the lack of non-idiotic competition and/or funds from investors who haven't yet figured out the truth.
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@coderpatsy said in Lime scooters:
Often it's only kept going by the lack of non-idiotic competition and/or funds from investors who haven't yet figured out the truth.
Virtudyne: The Founding
This is the first article in a four part series that tells of the rise and fall of Virtudyne, one of the largest privately-financed ($200M) disasters in our industry. Though all names have been changed to protect the guilty, I've worked very closely with Rob Graves (the submitter) to ensure that...
(Everything is a startup these days, so it counts)
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@PleegWat
It engages the brake
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@Luhmann on a fixie, pedalling backwards drives the rear wheel backwards. You're thinking of a bike with terugtraprem.
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@coderpatsy said in Lime scooters:
@xaade said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@xaade said in Lime scooters:
It doesn't matter if the product is completely stupid. If people want it, it's not a stupid startup.
No. It can still be stupid. Stupid things can be successful.
The thing is stupid, the startup is not.
A startup can be dumb as fuck and successful. Often it's only kept going by the lack of non-idiotic competition and/or funds from investors who haven't yet figured out the truth.
I agree.
I mean that the determining factor IMO whether a startup is dumb, is whether you fielded for interest and got back enough interest to justify investment.
If it's a dumb product that everyone is lined up saying, "Take my money", it's not a dumb startup.
Yet, dumb startups can be successful, dumb products can be successful. Smart products can have dumb startups, and vice versa. They are independent factors.
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@PleegWat said in Lime scooters:
terugtraprem
I don't know the English name, and I was on mobile at the time so
to type out a sentence to that effect. It is a bicycle braking system where turning the pedals backward for about a quarter of a turn engages the brake.
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@PleegWat I knew what you meant based on context. A meme popped in my head so I had to post it.
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@xaade said in Lime scooters:
@coderpatsy said in Lime scooters:
@xaade said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@xaade said in Lime scooters:
It doesn't matter if the product is completely stupid. If people want it, it's not a stupid startup.
No. It can still be stupid. Stupid things can be successful.
The thing is stupid, the startup is not.
A startup can be dumb as fuck and successful. Often it's only kept going by the lack of non-idiotic competition and/or funds from investors who haven't yet figured out the truth.
I agree.
I mean that the determining factor IMO whether a startup is dumb, is whether you fielded for interest and got back enough interest to justify investment.
A startup founder doesn't care whether the investments they're receiving are justified. They only care whether investments keep flowing.
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@PleegWat said in Lime scooters:
It is a bicycle braking system where turning the pedals backward for about a quarter of a turn engages the brake.
FYI, we call them "coaster brakes". That name also has the benefit of no one thinking you are trying to clear your throat.
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@PleegWat said in Lime scooters:
It is a bicycle braking system where turning the pedals backward for about a quarter of a turn engages the brake.
I always just called that a "coaster brake".
edit:
by seconds...
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
no one thinking you are trying to clear your throat.
You object to our beautiful North-Dutch hard 'g'?
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@PleegWat s/g/d/
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@PleegWat said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
no one thinking you are trying to clear your throat.
You object to
our beautiful North-Dutchhard 'g'?Yes.
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@boomzilla said in Lime scooters:
@Luhmann said in Lime scooters:
@cvi said in Lime scooters:
So now forgetting to charge the batteries gets you a free faceplant into the nearest oncoming car.
Don't forget you won't be able to shift gears too ...
Gears are for weaklings.
You drive one of these?
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@JBert said in Lime scooters:
@boomzilla said in Lime scooters:
@Luhmann said in Lime scooters:
@cvi said in Lime scooters:
So now forgetting to charge the batteries gets you a free faceplant into the nearest oncoming car.
Don't forget you won't be able to shift gears too ...
Gears are for weaklings.
You drive one of these?
What? Of course not. I'm American so I drive a car.
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Penny-farthing - Wikipedia
