Lime scooters
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@TimeBandit said in Lime scooters:
@boomzilla said in Lime scooters:
I'm American so I drive a
carbig pickup truck.FTFY
Except it's the kind with an enclosed bed that's actually a van.
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@PleegWat said in Lime scooters:
terugtraprem
I tried spelling it backwards, but I don't know what merpartguret is either.
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@Zecc Ask Sekarb Retsaoc about your merpartguret problems.
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@xaade said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@xaade said in Lime scooters:
It doesn't matter if the product is completely stupid. If people want it, it's not a stupid startup.
No. It can still be stupid. Stupid things can be successful.
The thing is stupid, the startup is not.
@xaade said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@xaade said in Lime scooters:
It doesn't matter if the product is completely stupid. If people want it, it's not a stupid startup.
No. It can still be stupid. Stupid things can be successful.
The thing is stupid, the startup is not.
Last I heard, juicero was a marvelous failure of a startup.
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Yes, because they made something stupid that too few people wanted.
If they made something stupid that a lot of people wanted, they'd probably still exist.
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@Zerosquare said in Lime scooters:
Yes, because they made something stupid that too few people wanted.
The expensive juice bags that didn't even need the expensive juicer to get the juice out of? The ones you needed a subscription for that was a minimum of $1,200/year? The juicer that only worked with the bags that didn't need the juicer?
Literally no one could have seen that implosion coming.
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
Literally no one could have seen that implosion coming.
Yes, it was WTF-upon-WTF, but so are a lot of IoT products. And those still sell.
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@Zerosquare said in Lime scooters:
Yes, it was WTF-upon-WTF, but so are a lot of IoT products.
Like lightbulbs that stop working if the company goes bust or EOLs them?
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@Polygeekery: exactly. The amusing thing is that the manufacturer may very well burn out before the light bulb does.
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@Polygeekery Or their servers simply go down for a while.
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@Zerosquare said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery: exactly. The amusing thing is that the manufacturer may very well burn out before the light bulb does.
It's amusing that you now have to analyze a company's financial situation before you buy a light bulb from them
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@HardwareGeek said in Lime scooters:
It's amusing that you now have to analyze a company's financial situation before you buy
a light bulbanything advertised as "internet connected" from themFTFY
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@Zerosquare said in Lime scooters:
Yes, because they made something stupid that too few people wanted.
The expensive juice bags that didn't even need the expensive juicer to get the juice out of? The ones you needed a subscription for that was a minimum of $1,200/year? The juicer that only worked with the bags that didn't need the juicer?
Literally no one could have seen that implosion coming.
Didn't ave also conclude the juicer was a loss leader to an insane degree?
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@The_Quiet_One said in Lime scooters:
@xaade said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@xaade said in Lime scooters:
It doesn't matter if the product is completely stupid. If people want it, it's not a stupid startup.
No. It can still be stupid. Stupid things can be successful.
The thing is stupid, the startup is not.
@xaade said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
@xaade said in Lime scooters:
It doesn't matter if the product is completely stupid. If people want it, it's not a stupid startup.
No. It can still be stupid. Stupid things can be successful.
The thing is stupid, the startup is not.
Last I heard, juicero was a marvelous failure of a startup.
It was very successful from the CEO's wallet's point of view.
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@Gąska Was it?
On September 1, 2017, the company announced that it was suspending sales of the juicer and the packets, repurchasing the juicer from its customers and searching for a buyer for the company and its intellectual property.
That couldn't have been cheap
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@hungrier does it say the CEO, or does it say the company?
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@Gąska It didn't, so I'm assuming it was the standard business practice of the CEO flying out to each customer's house in person and giving them a wad of money.
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@hungrier it likely went exactly like that. But the question is - whose money?
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@Gąska said in Lime scooters:
@hungrier it likely went exactly like that. But the question is - whose money?
Albert Einstein's.
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@Gąska said in Lime scooters:
@hungrier it likely went exactly like that. But the question is - whose money?
No no no no no! You want to make that line of inquiry more august!
Methinks, the proceedings were of a strikingly similar happenstance. Verum, cui bono?
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@Rhywden Actually it happened in September
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@JBert said in Lime scooters:
@boomzilla said in Lime scooters:
@Luhmann said in Lime scooters:
@cvi said in Lime scooters:
So now forgetting to charge the batteries gets you a free faceplant into the nearest oncoming car.
Don't forget you won't be able to shift gears too ...
Gears are for weaklings.
You drive one of these?
That's not a bicycle. That's a unicycle with a training wheel.
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Article about Bird scooters, probably applies to Lime as well.
TL;DR: When you factor in all the costs, they are losing quite a bit of money.
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@El_Heffe said in Lime scooters:
they are losing quite a bit of money.
They copied the Tesla business model?
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@Polygeekery both are
massproducing electric vehicles that offer no safety for the driver...
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@El_Heffe said in Lime scooters:
Article about Bird scooters, probably applies to Lime as well.
TL;DR: When you factor in all the costs, they are losing quite a bit of money.
Holy fuck:
The average lifespan of a scooter in Louisville from August to December was 28 days
Median lifespan was 23 days
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In October, The Information reported that Bird was spending $551 per scooter with a goal of reducing that cost to $360. At the time, I said that meant Bird needed five rides a day on a $551 scooter for 5.25 months just to recoup the initial cost.
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At the rates calculated above, that company only recoups $65 to $75 on the cost of each scooter—in other words, it loses $295 to $285 per scooter. That doesn’t even include the $50 annual fee per dockless vehicle, the $3,000 in combined licensing fees, or the $100 fee for each designated parking area. Plug in the $551 sticker price for a scooter, and the losses are even greater.
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@boomzilla said in Lime scooters:
Holy fuck:
At the rates calculated above, that company only recoups $65 to $75 on the cost of each scooter—in other words, it loses $295 to $285 per scooter.
Maybe they need more scooters?
The average lifespan of a scooter in Louisville from August to December was 28 days
I like the part where a spokesperson for Bird denies that the scooters only last 28 days.
"Asked where scooters taken out of circulation in Louisville would be moved to—or what other cities Bird operates in near Louisville—she didn’t respond. I will assume they simply fly away."
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@El_Heffe said in Lime scooters:
Maybe they need more scooters?
About 2 weeks ago a government official in my country said in an interview that the reason we have some of the most expensive mobile data in Europe is that people don't use enough of it and instead use free wifi whenever possible. There are actually people walking this cursed Earth who think like this.
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Someone had deliberately cut the brake of the one I used today. And it didn't work remotely either. So yeah, a mile and a half with no brakes. Fun.
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In other news:
Go fuck yourself. If Bird ever stops requiring drivers licenses, I'm switching in a heartbeat.
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@pie_flavor is that because of regulations regarding parking the scooters on campus?
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@Polygeekery Looks like they were banned on campus a few days ago.
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@pie_flavor said in Lime scooters:
If Bird ever stops requiring drivers licenses
You don't have one?
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@Parody said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery Looks like they were banned on campus a few days ago.
Did they just tack that on to existing litter regulations?
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@Polygeekery said in Lime scooters:
Did they just tack that on to existing litter regulations?
It's as good a plan as any. :)
I'm not a fan of the concept, but I don't live in the area where they were allowed a trial run around here last year so I don't know if/how much of a problem they were. This time of year they wouldn't be safe to use, of course.
Rentable cars and bikes that are returned to designated areas seem to have gotten acceptance. No idea what the profit margin is for those setups, though. (It's a different world when you're not funded by startup money.)
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@Gąska what would I drive?
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@Parody holy fucking shit what.
They didn't just ban rent-a-scooter - they banned all motorized transportation. Do you know how many people rely on a motorized skateboard or scooter that they own? Hell, my roommate bought a motorized scooter specifically to get to class on time and has no other use for it. And, of course, every cited reason is completely unique to rent-a-scooter and has absolutely no bearing on privately owned anything. God I hate the administration here. Yes let's just go directly for the nuclear option and ban everything because we can, never mind that Lime and Bird will gladly work with you to identify the people creating the problems in the first place, never mind that you don't have any reason to ban privately owned stuff at all, never mind that you'll have a fucking riot on your hands in a few days. Yay for Proactive Thinking.
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@pie_flavor said in Lime scooters:
@Gąska what would I drive?
What will you integrate after you finish your math courses? That's not the point. Not having license is annoying compared to having license, and it takes like 15 minutes to get one.
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@Gąska Really? You can learn how to drive in just fifteen minutes? TIL.
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@pie_flavor oh, you don't even know how to drive? That's a bigger problem. And one that will be a contnuous pain all the time, of varying degree depending on your home location, your work location, and frequency of visiting relatives out of town - but always some degree of pain. It would be best for you to fix this ASAP.
...Based on my personal experience, yes, I do believe 15 minutes of learning driving is enough to pass driving exam in US.
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@pie_flavor I don't know how many folks physically capable of walking rely on using a motorized vehicle to get around a campus that's roughly 0.25 square miles, but I wouldn't think it'd be too bad. When I went back to school I walked a campus whose main section is twice as large, and I'm a pretty slow walker. I planned my schedule accordingly so I had time to get between classrooms (or, occasionally, between campuses.)
May I recommend picking up your student paper? This is the sort of stuff student papers (in my experience) love to cover. An article about impounded scooters was the "above the fold" front page article on Wednesday.
Re: getting a driver's license, I highly recommend it so that you can legally drive in case of emergencies or if you ever intend to be away from an extremely dense urban area, even if just on vacation or traveling for business.
I was living in a farming area when I hit high school so we all did the classroom portion in school, which was very convenient for everyone. :)
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@Gąska said in Lime scooters:
yes, I do believe 15 minutes of learning driving is enough to pass driving exam in US.
Jeebus... We have like 20 hours mandatory driving education before we can even take the tests. One theoretical and the practical test.
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@swayde Poland has 30, plus 20 hours of theory. And the driving exam is minimum 30 minutes, where you have to do all kinds of maneuvers, the most annoying being "turn around at first occasion" - because turning at second occasion counts as error (2 errors total and you fail), and the examiner won't tell you where the first occasion is (and sometimes it's very hard to spot, or even tell whether it's a legal maneuver in a given spot).
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@swayde In my state it depends on whether you've reached age 21; before then (but at least age 15) you have to pass the written test to get a permit, then get proper instruction and driving hours (and be at least 16) before taking the road test. Those 21 or older still have to pass the written and road tests but don't have to log driving hours.
I don't remember the road test having any trickery to it, just making sure you can do things like parallel park. It was a long time ago, though.
Once you have a license you don't have to do anything but pay for it every few years and prove you can still read.
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@Gąska said in Lime scooters:
2 errors total and you fail
When I did my driving test (rather longer ago than I care to remember; I was 17 at the time) I think I could have some number of minor errors (6? 10? 12?) but any major error was an instant fail. I don't know what constituted either category as I passed the test, and I can guess that major errors would have included things that were unsafe such as not stopping at a stop sign; I guess my error rate was low enough, and I didn't get a summary.
I do know that stalling the car wasn't a major error.
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@Parody I've done driver's license in Chicago a couple years ago, and I didn't even have to parallel park - just a quick drive around a block and park on a regular (although jumbo-sized) parking spot, and I'm done.
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@dkf It's 15 minors now (not sure if it's ever changed) and you can't have more than 3 of the same minor.
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@Gąska said in Lime scooters:
@Polygeekery both are
massproducing electric vehicles that offer no safety for the driver...At least the scooters can't take out fire engines.