Rumours: Microsoft to buy github
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@admiral_p I agree that it doesn't change anything and I fart in the general direction of the people who think there was something that needed changing.
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@boomzilla I think Gates is somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic evil
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@sockpuppet7 I couldn't even begin to figure out what that would mean where you're from.
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@sockpuppet7 said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
@boomzilla I think Gates is somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic evil
I don't get this "Microsoft is still evil because Gates!"
I thought he wasn't in charge anymore anyway?
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@rhywden It's more a "Microsoft used to do evil stuff and I don't like or trust them". Of course, I think Oracle is much worse. And Apple is worse. And I'm not sure how they compare with Google. And GitHub was already a bunch of SJW idiots.
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@rhywden said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
@sockpuppet7 said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
@boomzilla I think Gates is somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic evil
I don't get this "Microsoft is still evil because Gates!"
I thought he wasn't in charge anymore anyway?
Not only that but it seems like a circular argument. "I don't like Microsoft because Gates is rich. His philanthropy doesn't matter because Microsoft did mumble mumble in the past"
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@hungrier no, it's "his philanthropy doesn't matter because it has nothing to do with his actions when he used to run MS". The key point of all this argument is that MS is not to be trusted when it comes to open source. I don't see how that is unfair. They don't have a track record, and in Dante's Divine Comedy, sinners who have repented still get to spend oh-so-many years in Purgatory. And the juiciest parts of the Divine Comedy are those where people scream in agony anyway.
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@admiral_p But is Theseus' ship still the original or a new one?
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@blakeyrat honestly I bet it's antieconomical to make a new ship out of the old one.
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@hungrier Who would guess mixing comments from different people would create an illogical mess
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@blakeyrat said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
Like... what?
Maybe he's a Checkers Grandmaster or something?
(Who are we talking about?)
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@dkf these guys
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@admiral_p said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
They don't have a track record
Have you looked at what they open-sourced recently?
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@cheong said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hey devs <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/movingtogitlab?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#movingtogitlab</a> (to their SaaS version), could you have a look at the IP addresses of <a href="https://twitter.com/gitlab?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">@gitlab</a> please? There is no point in moving away from <a href="https://twitter.com/github?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">@Github</a> if this is to be finally hosted at <a href="https://twitter.com/Azure?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">@Azure</a>. 🤦♂️ <a href="https://t.co/BfWkNsGET5">pic.twitter.com/BfWkNsGET5</a></p>— w://iam (@wget42) <a href="https://twitter.com/wget42/status/1003726435113230338?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">June 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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@rhywden track record doesn't mean "the last couple of years" really. Anyway, all I'm saying is that GitHub being acquired by Microsoft can justifiably make somebody feel uneasy. That doesn't mean they will actually make things worse (whatever fears you may have as regards your code on the platform, there isn't any realistic scenario where your code suffers as a result). Put it this way, it's as if a large petroleum company who has recently branched into renewable energy acquires an important renewable energy company. It's not necessarily logical that you feel uneasy about this but when have humans been logical? And there's nothing wrong with this.
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@admiral_p said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
@rhywden track record doesn't mean "the last couple of years" really.
It doesn't? News to me!
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@rhywden see? You learn new stuff every day! You're welcome.
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@lb_ said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
That makes no sense. Why would GitHub XP use the Windows 10 interface apart from Clippy?
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@zecc said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
Microsoft is also committed to empowering communities, from the world’s professionals to IT professionals to gamers.
IT professionals are out of this world.
Fun fact: gamers are from a different planet, but not the same different planet as IT professionals.
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@ben_lubar said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
Fun fact: gamers are from a different planet, but not the same different planet as IT professionals.
At least there is no overlap with the planet where women are from
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@luhmann Venus?
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@hungrier
Requiring women to shave is very cis-paternalistic
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Should the open source community be concerned? Probably not. Buying GitHub does not mean Microsoft has engaged in some sinister plot to “own” the more than 70 million open source projects on GitHub.
Were people seriously concerned about that?
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@boomzilla Open source zealots are an irrational lot
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@jaloopa But those guys are also license nerds. No, but seriously, I'd be interested to see the tinfoil brigade behind that, if it exists.
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@boomzilla said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
I'd be interested to see the tinfoil brigade behind that, if it exists
The paranoia runs strong.
Andrew Hull on these comments is pretty mouth frothy:
Now we just have to wait for Micro$oft to "monetize" all of the free code that the community has developed and which they will plunder.
Here's some speculation that they might take down repos that are against their business interests
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@jaloopa Well, peeking at private code seems like a legitimate concern (it's presumably proprietary, though, and so not open source). The competition angle doesn't seem completely paranoid either after witnessing how at least Apple has dealt with their store. Though I don't recall hearing that MS was as paranoid as all that.
Still, neither of those are about MS owning open source projects.
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@boomzilla No, I couldn't find anything directly claiming that. Monetising and plundering free code is the closest I saw. It's all quite amusing though
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MS gonna peek into all the codez and then delete all the codez of competitors. Monetise all the githubs and also make microsoft login mandatory
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@jaloopa I'm almost seething over that Winston Churchill quote. Seriously, Linux Foundation? Fucking SERIOUSLY?!
I'm sure I'm the only one who cares though. Like when fucking Activision used the 1,000 Yard Stare to promote a video game. Seriously, Activision? Fucking SERIOUSLY?
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@boomzilla Microsoft's evil plot: pay $7.5 billion to gain access to everyone's private projects: literally thousands of reimplementations of basic algorithms and simple games in node.js!
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How awesome Git is: Thanks Linus – this is your second project that has changed the world, resulted in evolving how software is developed and created billions of dollars of value. Git spawned many of the tools and projects the world is dependent upon, including code review tools, CI/CD tooling which are all dependent on a git workflow.
OK, I hate everything about this article.
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@boomzilla said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
@jaloopa Well, peeking at private code seems like a legitimate concern (it's presumably proprietary, though, and so not open source). The competition angle doesn't seem completely paranoid either after witnessing how at least Apple has dealt with their store. Though I don't recall hearing that MS was as paranoid as all that.
Still, neither of those are about MS owning open source projects.
I recall reading a story years ago about a ms-internal dilemma on whether to access hotmail archives to track down the origin of (I think) a piece of malware. That's years ago though, and I don't recall the details or the resolution.
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@anonymous234 What's the general consensus on Mr. Linus Torvalds around these parts? Personally he seems like he knows his stuff and all that but I would never go for a beer with that guy. Looks very snobbish and probably interrupts you when you're talking.
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@stillwater said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
@anonymous234 What's the general consensus on Mr. Linus Torvalds around these parts? Personally he seems like he knows his stuff and all that but I would never go for a beer with that guy. Looks very snobbish and probably interrupts you when you're talking.
He'd fit right in here. He's probably one of @boomzilla 's alts.
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@rhywden said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
He's
probablydefinitely one of @boomzilla 's alts.
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@stillwater said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
interrupts
From other reports in these forums, that's more like "scream and berate"
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@stillwater said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
@anonymous234 What's the general consensus on Mr. Linus Torvalds around these parts? Personally he seems like he knows his stuff and all that but I would never go for a beer with that guy. Looks very snobbish and probably interrupts you when you're talking.
He's a gigantic asshole and only tolerated (worshipped, really, by other open source developers who are gigantic assholes) because he's "so good at software development".
Even though the two biggest projects in his name are Linux and Git, which both kind of suck. Being in charge of the third runner-up OS I guess has a lot of cachet in the open source community, go figure.
(People seem to think that Linux is so widely-used because it's good and not, as reality would have it, because it's dirt-cheap to make 50,000 copies of, if you don't consider labor costs.)
(People seem to think Git is good because... uh. I have no idea. They were all hit on the head as a child?)
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@blakeyrat said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
People seem to think Git is good because... uh. I have no idea. They were all hit on the head as a child?
I spent a solid year and a half trying to wrap my head around all the git fuckiness before I decided I was too stupid for this shit and gave up :(
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@stillwater that makes you cleverer than the people who accept the Stockholm syndrome and convince themselves it's good software
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@jaloopa said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
@stillwater that makes you cleverer than the people who accept the Stockholm syndrome and convince themselves it's good software
What other Version control system is there for the OSS world anyways? I'm asking cos I'm not familiar with anything other than Git. And oh god, every startup here uses git and the cool kids somehow convinced the PHB type folks everywhere and big corp companies are moving to Git too.
EDIT: Goddamn Windows' VCS is Git at MS. Can't really complain about big corps adopting Git anymore.
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@stillwater said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
What other Version control system is there for the OSS world anyways?
It's not like Subversion was bad. And it was far more suitable for having a friendly GUI attached to it, something which Git seems to sabotage by design.
("If you don't work the way open source assholes work with all the white text scrolling on black, then fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you" - Git motto, apparently. Then they alt-tab to another window and type a long post about how open source always produces software far superior to closed source software.)
There's also Mercurial which from what I understand is like "Git, but not as awful". But nobody uses it because they're all licking Linus' boots.
@stillwater said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
And oh god, every startup here uses git and the cool kids somehow convinced the PHB type folks everywhere and big corp companies are moving to Git too.
Oh believe me, that's true in the US too. Abandon all hope ye who enter an IT career.
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@stillwater said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
What other Version control system is there for the OSS world anyways?
My personal preference is Mercurial.
@blakeyrat said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
It's not like Subversion was bad.
It was terrible at merges. It's finally much better. However, it still has the evil merge-then-commit paradigm (i.e., if someone checked in changes to some files that you edited then you have to update/merge before you can commit, potentially losing your changes).
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@blakeyrat said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
It's not like Subversion was bad.
Subversion was terrible. It's support for branching and merging sucks. In the beginning it didn't have any branch tracking at all, so there are people still manually merging changes. Also, distributed version control systems have their advantages.
Also, Linux kernel developers were fine using Perforce while it was free for them, AFAIK
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@blakeyrat said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
@boomzilla said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
evil
Really?
I'd also accept incredibly stupid enough to not be differentiable.
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@sockpuppet7 said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
Subversion was terrible.
Apparently it was actually evil.
@sockpuppet7 said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
Also, distributed version control systems have their advantages.
I still don't get why people (especially open source-y people) seem to think that distributed and centralized are mutually-exclusive. What does distributed give you? The ability to work offline. Well guess what? I can do that with TFS 2013+ no problem.
When you point out that for 95% of the users of Git a centralized workflow makes more sense so maybe they should add features that cater to that, you know, so maybe it has feature-parity with the software we were using for this in fucking 2005, all the Git fans say you can't because it's distributed. As if it's Word Of God that the two can't co-exist in the same program. Ridiculous.
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@blakeyrat said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
@sockpuppet7 said in Rumours: Microsoft to buy github:
Subversion was terrible.
Apparently it was actually evil.
Not was. Is.
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@boomzilla I like to think it's dead for all practical purposes