I hate printers, with a passion
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Zerosquare It's
worsebetter than you think, because the female inhabitants are "pralines"...
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in I hate printers, with a passion:
the female inhabitants are "pralines"
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@HardwareGeek said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in I hate printers, with a passion:
the female inhabitants are "pralines"
Fuck almonds!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@HardwareGeek said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in I hate printers, with a passion:
the female inhabitants are "pralines"
Fuck almonds!
To a fine paste.
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@Gribnit said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Tsaukpaetra said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@HardwareGeek said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in I hate printers, with a passion:
the female inhabitants are "pralines"
Fuck almonds!
To a fine paste.
Until exploded!
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Crocodile Dundee: Thatâs not a printer⌠THATâS a printer.
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You buy your printer ink at $20 for 10ml, or pay directly in blood?
Well, better get out grandmaâs gold coins for these 10l big boysâŚ
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@topspin I was just thinking that printer must have some massive ink wells...
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@topspin They look like the syrup boxes we had for the "lesser flavors" of soda at my high school jobs.
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@topspin said in I hate printers, with a passion:
You buy your printer ink at $20 for 10ml, or pay directly in blood?
It'd be interesting to know how much those supplies cost. I expect them to be a lot cheaper per mL, but by how much?
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@Zerosquare said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@topspin said in I hate printers, with a passion:
You buy your printer ink at $20 for 10ml, or pay directly in blood?
It'd be interesting to know how much those supplies cost. I expect them to be a lot cheaper per mL, but by how much?
Are you kidding? Big industrial level machine? Those are going to cost 10x per mL what consumer ink costs!
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In this specific case, I'm not sure. The reason consumer ink is so expensive is because the hardware itself is sold at a loss. I doubt industrial machines are, plus they probably come with expensive support contracts from their manufacturer.
And if industrial consumers paid as much as consumers for ink, printing those gigantic sheets would cost them a fortune.
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@topspin Surely the cyan box should be bigger than the rest...
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I'm guessing a few hundred dollars eaâ enhance:
What was that about methods of payment?
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@topspin said in I hate printers, with a passion:
You buy your printer ink at $20 for 10ml, or pay directly in blood?
$650 for 10L. So, yeah, volume gets you a pretty big price break.
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@boomzilla said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@topspin said in I hate printers, with a passion:
You buy your printer ink at $20 for 10ml, or pay directly in blood?
$650 for 10L. So, yeah, volume gets you a pretty big price break.
Now imagine you could just buy ink at bulk or from 3rd party resellers, without them putting in DRM chips going "I said we out of ink".
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@boomzilla Yeah, from $20K for 10 litres (at consumer prices of $20 per 10 ml) to $650 per ten litres is a huge reduction in price, a thin hair over 99%.
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@topspin My otherwise tech-antisavvy(1) near-neighbours bought a semipro Epson of the type where you buy ink in bottles and top up the reservoirs from the bottles. That seemed to be a reasonably good idea, and not quite what I would have expected from them.
(1) At the level that ...
- when I went round to their appartement to help debug something, their son, then 13 years old, clearly had exactly no idea that it was possible for adults to know anything about computers
- when they broke their admin-privileges account (on Windows 7) to the extent that even giving a password to a UAC prompt didn't work, they didn't think it was important enough to call me about, until ...
- they did something undescribable to their Epson, and replaced it with another brand, this time of colour-laser, and called me to help get it set up. I plugged it into the power, linked it to their WiFi, and used my iPhone to quickly print a test document via Bonjour, then printed something from their devices to show them how to do that. But, of course, installing the drivers on their PC required administrator privileges, which "guest" didn't have, and the admin account was catastrophically broken (corrupt profile).
I have no idea how to solve that, and after telling them, accurately, that the forums I searched had no useful advice, I've tried hard (and successfully) to avoid speaking to them ever since.
EDIT: Important: when they did the undescribable thing to their Epson, they didn't call me about that, either. For all I know, it was just a loose USB cable.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in I hate printers, with a passion:
I have no idea how to solve that, and after telling them, accurately, that the forums I searched had no useful advice, I've tried hard (and successfully) to avoid speaking to them ever since.
Good plan.
FWIW, I'd try booting off of a Linux live CD/USB and removing the password(s) from any admin account(s) from there and/or deleting/fixing whatever was messed up. If that doesn't work, get a new boot drive, install from scratch, and they can get their files off of the old one. Also leave yourself a backup admin account in case
your sister's kidsthey mess it up again. And turn off that $&#@%ed BitLocker so you don't have to spend half a day going through every email address she's ever used to find the one tied to her stupid laptop.Sorry. Had a moment there.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@boomzilla Yeah, from $20K for 10 litres (at consumer prices of $20 per 10 ml) to $650 per ten litres is a huge reduction in price, a thin hair over 99%.
I presume scaling laws. Ink at O(n3), container at O(n2), DRM chips at O(1)...
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@topspin said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@boomzilla said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@topspin said in I hate printers, with a passion:
You buy your printer ink at $20 for 10ml, or pay directly in blood?
$650 for 10L. So, yeah, volume gets you a pretty big price break.
Now imagine you could just buy ink at bulk or from 3rd party resellers, without them putting in DRM chips going "I said we out of ink".
At that level they indeed do not have such chips. Our art departments has such a printer and it's using internal ink tanks you refill with such containers.
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At that level theyâre not selling the device below cost to scam you into buying a cheap printer and expensive ink (on the theory that youâll buy the ink not a new printer for cheapness), so they donât need the DRM to prevent making a loss on it.
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A working printer? Doesnât sound credible.
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@topspin Dunno about the specifics of that printer, but my HP has worked well for me since 2016 or maybe 2017. 'Course, it's a semi-pro colour laser(1) rather than a bottom-of-the-market inkjet-for-cheapskates, but ...
(1) Color Laserjet m252dw with duplex (i.e. prints both sides of the paper if I ask it to do that) and so on. I love that printer!
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in I hate printers, with a passion:
I love that printer!
I think you're in the wrong thread.
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@HardwareGeek said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@Steve_The_Cynic said in I hate printers, with a passion:
I love that printer!
I think you're in the wrong thread.
Always...
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in I hate printers, with a passion:
@topspin Dunno about the specifics of that printer, but my HP has worked well for me since 2016 or maybe 2017. 'Course, it's a semi-pro colour laser(1) rather than a bottom-of-the-market inkjet-for-cheapskates, but ...
(1) Color Laserjet m252dw with duplex (i.e. prints both sides of the paper if I ask it to do that) and so on. I love that printer!
Color LaserJet Pro MFP M476dn here. Seems to be adequate so far.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in I hate printers, with a passion:
my HP has worked well for me since 2016 or maybe 2017.
I have an HP 8620 pro level inkjet that I had about that long. A few weeks ago, it decided that the printhead doesn't exist. I tried all the Internet suggestions of cleaning contacts and fiddling with things, nothing worked.
Not wanting to buy a $150 print head for a printer that's nearly ten years old, I replaced it with a Canon GX6021. So far, I'm pleased with the new printer, but...
During the setup, it prompted me to put in a sheet of paper to do a calibration. The calibration took eight minutes and used about an eighth of each of the 160ml printer tanks. That's about the amount of ink in a traditional printer cartridge. Maybe some of it is in the internal plumbing, but that still means that the printer gets filled with $50 worth of ink that can never be actually used.
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@Jaime I once bought a printer, did the calibration etc. and I went to the shop to buy new cartridges and I asked for the ones like the model already in the printer. I was told I didnât want that model because âthose are the ones they ship with printers, theyâre only half capacity, you should buy the slightly more expensive model.â
I wonder if this is true here?
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@Arantor Nope. It has ink tanks and comes with ink bottles. The black is marked as 160ml and the colors are marked as 132ml. The refills are all 132ml, even the black. Here's the yellow container, next to the tank window. When first filled, it went to the very top of the window.
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@Steve_The_Cynic said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Color Laserjet m252dw with duplex (i.e. prints both sides of the paper if I ask it to do that) and so on. I love that printer!
can confirm, I have the same one and have been very happy with it. You wouldn't believe it but it actually continues printing stuff with barely any cyan left at all!
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Take a discarded wifi enabled printer, and "hack" the previous owner's wifi:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/canon-warns-of-wi-fi-security-risks-when-discarding-inkjet-printers/
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article @BernieTheBernie posted in I hate printers, with a passion:
during initialization
What, as in like, turning on? Installing the printer driver? That's very vague.
Article says using "reset all" is the solution, is that the initialization they're talking about?
Or is the insinuation that not all settings are reset if the affected feature is not "on"?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in I hate printers, with a passion:
Article says
Written by a journalist . If you're lucky, there might be something factually correct somewhere in the article, but probably not.
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@HardwareGeek said in I hate printers, with a passion:
there might be something factually correct somewhere in the article,
The date and the author's name, probably.
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@Zerosquare Assuming the date is added automatically.
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@BernieTheBernie Hmm. Thanks for reminding me to put a short cat 5e cable on my shopping list to connect my laser printer to my routerbox (they are right next to each other, so the cable doesn't have to be long).
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@topspin said in I hate printers, with a passion:
A working printer? Doesnât sound credible.
There was an article about Brother printers, and I can confirm that my Brother laser printer is still going strong. I recently replaced the toner for the first time, years after buying the thing
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@HardwareGeek said in I hate printers, with a passion:
there might be something factually correct somewhere in the article, but probably not.
Don't you believe that Canon showed your security the finger?
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I hate printers-with-a-passion. Printers should be equanimous.
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It's bad enough that printers don't print in B&W when only the colour tank(s) are low.
But HP all-in-one printers apparently won't do the other things if there's low/no ink in them.
Turns out there's a class action lawsuit on this and the judge wouldn't accept HP's request to just throw it out. Tragic.
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@topspin the filing doesnât quote a number, primarily asks for âas much as possibleâ in more legal parlance with a nod to âif you donât sting them for as much as possible, theyâll keep doing itâ and a âif we canât have money, can you at the very least do make sure you bop them on the nose to at least offer a remedy e.g. a patchâ
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@topspin said in I hate printers, with a passion:
I hope they get sued for one trillion
dollarsliters of cyan.
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@topspin said in I hate printers, with a passion:
AiO devices won't scan or fax without ink
I hope they get sued for one trillion dollars.
So about 3 ink cartridges?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in I hate printers, with a passion:
article @BernieTheBernie posted in I hate printers, with a passion:
during initialization
What, as in like, turning on? Installing the printer driver? That's very vague.
Article says using "reset all" is the solution, is that the initialization they're talking about?
What it says is "Reset all", then "enable WiFi", then "reset all" again. Not your usual procedure when throwing away a deviceâyou'd think "reset all" would ackshually reset all settings including WiFi, right?
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@Arantor said in I hate printers, with a passion:
It's bad enough that printers don't print in B&W when only the colour tank(s) are low.
But HP all-in-one printers apparently won't do the other things if there's low/no ink in them.
Turns out there's a class action lawsuit on this and the judge wouldn't accept HP's request to just throw it out. Tragic.
The most ridiculous aspect is how HP actually argues that they have a disclaimer on their support forums that says "the opinions expressed on the message board are not the opinions of HP" so just because HP support staff knew of the intentional defect didn't mean "HP knew of the defect".
You'd think if people made informed decisions, a company that argues it doesn't know how the stuff it designed works and it wasn't even its job to know that because then they'd have a duty to tell their customers would sell approximately zero printers instead of being the world's largest printer manufacturer.
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@LaoC the thing is, thatâs not really an opinion - the thing either works or it doesnât work and no amount of wishful thinking will change that. I hope the judge takes them to task for that bit of wilful bollocks.
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@LaoC said in I hate printers, with a passion:
What it says
Ah! I see someone has made an assumption! Naughty naught!
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So, apparently you get around 35 pages of black text or 2.5 pages of just black with a single cartridge. That actually sounds unreasonably low, even for a scammy inkjet. But, then again, I've not used inkjets since forever.