A critical reflection on GDPR
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@bb36e I don't like the writing style very much, but the points made are reasonable.
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I didn't read the article, but I'm familiar enough with GDPR do know it's a pile of garbage, created by bureaucrats who not only lack technical knowledge, but fail to understand how this will hurt everyone. Sorry, I realize everything I said after "bureaucrats" was redundant.
The part that I find absolutely adorable with GDPR is the EU's attempt at "worldwide jurisdiction". You gonna, what... sue me in the "World Court" if I don't protect data that some EU citizen gave me , in the manner in which you demand?
That's cute. There is only one place with actual worldwide jurisdiction, and the name starts with "U" and ends with "A, and there's an "S" in the middle. There's only three letters, but there are a shitton of military bases in basically everyone of your member countries.
And you people wonder why your strongest member just up and quit.
#MaximumTriggeringEnabled
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@apapadimoulis You should check the "delete my DailyWTF account" thread where there's more discussion of this, since you have good and right opinions on it.
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@apapadimoulis Like blakey said, maybe check this thread as well: https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/24937/delete-my-what-thedailywtf-com-profile/
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@apapadimoulis said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
And you people wonder why your strongest member just up and quit.
#MaximumTriggeringEnabled
Just curious... What member would that be? Up until now, nobody has quit and it doesn't look like anyone will in the near future.
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@bjolling
I suspect he was refering to #Brexit.
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@izzion Someone should him (oh wait, I just did) and tell him that it's at best the 2nd strongest member, or maybe 3rd, depending on the ranking you use (OK, on "highest consumption of tea" they're 1st...).
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@izzion
Can't be because UK isn't the biggest fish in the EU pond.
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@remi said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
or maybe 3rd
Without looking it up, I'd put us 3rd, behind Germany and France...
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@pjh I did look it up quickly (e.g. here) and depending on the measure or the year, it's 2nd or 3rd. Consistently behind Germany but essentially level with France.
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@boomzilla What relevance does military spending have? Will the USA launch a military invasion on Europe to protect Facebook from the GDPR, or what?
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@grunnen said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
What relevance does military spending have?
It's what @apapadimoulis said, to which people were replying. Also, why wouldn't it be relevant?
@grunnen said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Will the USA launch a military invasion on Europe to protect Facebook from the GDPR, or what?
You're asking the question the wrong way around:
"Will the EU launch a military invasion of the US to enforce the GDPR against Facebook or what?"
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@grunnen said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
What relevance does military spending have?
It's the USA ... it's all about having a big gun
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@luhmann If you only have one then you're
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@boomzilla
So that is why you have multiple tiny ones?
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@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
"Will the EU launch a military invasion of the US to enforce the GDPR against Facebook or what?"
No need. FB have quite a few European assets which court orders could set bailiffs after…
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@boomzilla said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
"Will the EU launch a military invasion of the US to enforce the GDPR against Facebook or what?"
my uncle works at GDPR and he says that they have nukes and its infinity plus one nukes so the US cant beat them
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@bb36e said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
my uncle works at GDPR and he says that they have nukes and its infinity plus one nukes so the US cant beat them
Shit.
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Every time I see GDPR I read it as "GDR" (East-Germany), with an additional "P" for "people's" like in China, 'cause you know, a country name is usually the exact opposite of what it really is.
It is perfectly fitting with all the discussions about it.
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@bb36e But do they have a red button to order coke?
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@topspin said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@bb36e But do they have a red button to order coke?
Nah, we have the dealer on standby in the room with a wide selection of premium products.
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@carnage said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Nah, we have the
dealerDutch prime minister on standby in the room with a wide selection of premium products.
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@remi
Well, I mean, y'all did finally let Germany conquer you with this whole "European Union" business.... Seems like you're living in the German Democratic People's Republic now...
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@izzion And now the UK is only going to get blood, toil, tears and sweat.
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@izzion said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@remi
Well, I mean, y'all did finally let Germany conquer you with this whole "European Union" business.... Seems like you're living in the German Democratic People's Republic now...We gave up that
People'sDemocratic Republic nonsense in favor of jeans and bananas. And rock music.
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@Luhmann said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla
So that is why you have multiple tiny ones?It's called a Zerg Rush.
Oh, wait, that's China.
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@djls45 said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@Luhmann said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla
So that is why you have multiple tiny ones?It's called a Zerg Rush.
Oh, wait, that's
ChinaKorea.FTFY
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@izzion said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@djls45 said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@Luhmann said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@boomzilla
So that is why you have multiple tiny ones?It's called a Zerg Rush.
Oh, wait, that's
ChinaKorea.FTFY
Nah, they don't have enough to qualify for that. India might, though. North Korea is just that one Terran in the corner who turtled at their original starting point and finally got nukes (but few or no ghosts) while everyone ignored them, but now they're trying to make a nuisance of themselves, and if they keep it up, all they'll accomplish is to get themselves squashed.
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https://baekdal.com/strategy/publishers-havent-realized-just-how-big-a-deal-gdpr-is/
But think about this in relation to a new visitor. Someone that you have no prior relationship with (a first time visitor). What data can you actually collect and use for that person?
The answer is ... nothing!
You cannot use any personal identifying data from any visitor who is a one-time visitor. You cannot load any 3rd party service, because by doing that you would be sending personally identifying data to those services (like people's IP address). You cannot even do personally identifying internal analytics.
The reason is that a first time visitor hasn't done anything that could be considered consent, so you have nothing to work with.
I don't think publishers realize just what this means.
Essentially, it means that you can't load any 3rd party service into your site. You can't load advertising from your ad partners (via their scripts), you can't add social widgets, you can't add a quiz to your articles that is using some 3rd party service.
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Essentially, it means that you can't load any 3rd party service into your site. You can't load advertising from your ad partners (via their scripts), you can't add social widgets, you can't add a quiz to your articles that is using some 3rd party service.
That sounds fantastic.
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Soon webadmins wont be able to keep up with all the silly laws like these in the world, and they'll start to geoblock everyone outside their home country just in case.
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@coldandtired said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
That sounds fantastic.
Easier said than done. What if you use Disqus comments for example?
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@blakeyrat A button to activate them and provide consent at the same time?
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@coldandtired said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
That sounds fantastic.
Easier said than done. What if you use Disqus comments for example?
Self host your own instance of NodeBB
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@sockpuppet7 said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Soon webadmins wont be able to keep up with all the silly laws like these in the world, and they'll start to geoblock everyone outside their home country just in case.
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posted it in some other thread ... very nice how they preemptively block the US of A ahead of any possible legal trouble ...
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@thegoryone won't someone think of the trees!
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@thegoryone said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
That's 900'000 pages, per year. Or 13.5 million pieces of paper.
Do you have to keep it on paper?
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@blakeyrat If not, then it's not a paper form.
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@thegoryone said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
It's all about the original signatures, no scans
fuck that, in everything is pushed to digital signing at the speed of light, for certain medical stuff the digital thing will be the only valid one by 2019
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@thegoryone said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Yes, sector policy is that the paper hardcopy (It's all about the original signatures, no scans) must be stored to appropriate data protection rules. Right now, that's 5 years. GDPR pushes this particular item to 15 years.
You live in a Euro hellhole, don't you.
In the US there's no difference between a signature in ink and a scan of a signature in ink. And we're slowly coming to realize that signatures are really fucking stupid all around anyway.
@thegoryone said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
Three years ago we put a new system into place (an industry standard system you'd be surprised we lacked) and saved ourselves about half a million pages printed and £40k per year in stamps and envelopes.
Wait, if you're in fucking Britopia then aren't you exempt from all this shit since the Brits are leaving the EU anyway? Or are you NOT in Britland but measure your costs in their stupid currency anyway? Which is a bigger WTF.
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
And we're slowly coming to realize that signatures are really fucking stupid all around anyway.
And yet you still use them for authorising payments of all sizes on credit cards...
@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
aren't you exempt from all this shit since the Brits are leaving the EU anyway?
GDPR comes in in a month or so. we don't leave until next year, so we'll be stuck with it (I can't see parliament repealing it once we're out, they'll be too busy trying to stop the economy from collapsing)
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@jaloopa said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
And yet you still use them for authorising payments of all sizes on credit cards...
Credit card companies have been trying to stop retailers from doing that for years.
Retailers are shitty. And extremely change adverse.
@jaloopa said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
GDPR comes in in a month or so. we don't leave until next year, so we'll be stuck with it (I can't see parliament repealing it once we're out, they'll be too busy trying to stop the economy from collapsing)
Why would they have to repeal it? There's no non-EU version of the GDPR (unlike some other EU laws which say "member countries have to create a law which says X", this one is just a normal law). When you leave the EU why would you follow a law from a government you're no longer a part of?
If the Brits wanted to keep GDPR they'd have to pass their own version of it. Which, I dunno, maybe they plan to do, but it's not a given. Like you said there's a lot of more important shit.
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@jaloopa said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
And we're slowly coming to realize that signatures are really fucking stupid all around anyway.
And yet you still use them for authorising payments of all sizes on credit cards...
There's actually a rule change going into effect that nixes that entirely. Because yes, it's stupid. I don't think anyone has every compared my signature to the paper form, and it wouldn't help because my signature is a random scrawl that's different each time.
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@blakeyrat said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
When you leave the EU why would you follow a law from a government you're no longer a part of?
The approach that's being mooted is to have one big bill that passes everything we currently follow just because it's an EU law, for minimal disruption, then things can be examined, changed or repealed as and when
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@jaloopa said in A critical reflection on GDPR:
The approach that's being mooted is to have one big bill that passes everything we currently follow just because it's an EU law, for minimal disruption, then things can be examined, changed or repealed as and when
"Being mooted" in the US implies the solution was discussed and rejected. I assume it means the solution was discussed and accepted over there in Eurotania? Otherwise, your post makes no sense to me.
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@blakeyrat I may be wrong, I thought it meant being discussed.
Definition 4 seems to agree with me
to present or introduce (any point, subject, project, etc.) for discussion.