Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...
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@onyx said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
But what in the fuck should a magnetic field do for a bad knee? What is there for the magnet to work on? Tiny amounts of iron in the bloodstream? To heal a bad joint?
I'm not one of those people who consider all/most doctors to be idiots (though I know plenty of people like that), but you know, sometimes...
Yeah, that's pure pseudomedicine.
It's the same with other areas - I once had an intermittent low pain in the area around the ear. After two weeks of waiting if it went away on its own, I went to a specialist to see if there was indeed something or if I simply had to wait a bit longer.
Specialist didn't find anything. But instead of telling me this he prescribed me some medicine. Which turned out to be homeopathic bullshit which I only found out when I arrived home and opened the package.
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@pjh said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
Open-label are usually given with a positive suggestion (the doctor will tell the patient the pill is just a placebo but adds that it “produces significant improvement for patients like you”. This positive suggestion creates a positive expectation, which can activate the reward mechanisms in the brain and help the body produce its own substances, such as painkilling endorphins.
So as long as open-label placebos work, we can truthfully tell people that open-label placebos work, which causes open-label placebos to work.
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@deadfast said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
Yes, giving you an infection for example.
I very carefully avoided saying that it might do anything useful for a reason.
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@erufael said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
The really weird part of this is that she wasn't allergic to bee stings. And then she was.
Its been a while since I last read about the subject, but I thought it wasn't uncommon for that to happen.
Yeah, allergy shots give tiny doses regularly to build up tolerance but an extremely large dose is likely to overwhelm the immune system.
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@karla Which is the reason why it's recommended to wait at the doctor's office for half an hour after getting such a shot. An allergic shock/reaction doesn't have to happen immediately.
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@polygeekery said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
The really weird part of this is that she wasn't allergic to bee stings. And then she was.
IIRC from when I read about it earlier this week, this was her 24th time using this "therapy". Repeated exposure can cause anaphylaxis.
The immune system is really fucking dumb sometimes.
"Yeah, we've seen this protein a couple dozen times... it's never really caused much of an issue, aside from some minor pain." "Hey maybe this time let's mount a full-scale assault and literally kill ourselves trying to fight it off." "Sounds good, let's do it."
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@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
Personally I'm becoming more and more allergic to shellfish...
@deadfast said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
Meanwhile, I'm becoming more and more allergic to bullshit...
@sockpuppet7 said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
But you need to be a doctor to perform it here
I'm pretty sure that's not at all true. Or at least there are a LOT of unlicensed practitioners.
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@anotherusername It just gets bored now and again. :D
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@rhywden said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
Which turned out to be homeopathic bullshit which I only found out when I arrived home and opened the package.
Good thing he didn't give you a glass of water, you could've overdosed!
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@onyx said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@rhywden said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
Which turned out to be homeopathic bullshit which I only found out when I arrived home and opened the package.
Good thing he didn't give you a glass of water, you could've overdosed!
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@tsaukpaetra this guy's medical videos are absolutely engrossing
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@bb36e said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@tsaukpaetra this guy's medical videos are absolutely engrossing
Aren't they though?
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@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@polygeekery said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
The really weird part of this is that she wasn't allergic to bee stings. And then she was.
IIRC from when I read about it earlier this week, this was her 24th time using this "therapy". Repeated exposure can cause anaphylaxis.
The immune system is really fucking dumb sometimes.
"Yeah, we've seen this protein a couple dozen times... it's never really caused much of an issue, aside from some minor pain." "Hey maybe this time let's mount a full-scale assault and literally kill ourselves trying to fight it off." "Sounds good, let's do it."
Yea seriously wtf... Why are our immune systems so dumb as to kill us for allergies? LIke shouldn't we have evolved past that by now?
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@dangeruss said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
Yea seriously wtf... Why are our immune systems so dumb as to kill us for allergies? LIke shouldn't we have evolved past that by now?
I blame warning labels.
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@onyx said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
But what in the fuck should a magnetic field do for a bad knee? What is there for the magnet to work on? Tiny amounts of iron in the bloodstream? To heal a bad joint?
Sod the iron, enough of a field can make your whole body diamagnetic!
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@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
"Hey maybe this time let's mount a full-scale assault and literally kill ourselves trying to fight it off." "Sounds good, let's do it."
Hmm. Looks like the immune system subscribes to same school of thought as I do when playing Starcraft.
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@dangeruss said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@polygeekery said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
The really weird part of this is that she wasn't allergic to bee stings. And then she was.
IIRC from when I read about it earlier this week, this was her 24th time using this "therapy". Repeated exposure can cause anaphylaxis.
The immune system is really fucking dumb sometimes.
"Yeah, we've seen this protein a couple dozen times... it's never really caused much of an issue, aside from some minor pain." "Hey maybe this time let's mount a full-scale assault and literally kill ourselves trying to fight it off." "Sounds good, let's do it."
Yea seriously wtf... Why are our immune systems so dumb as to kill us for allergies? LIke shouldn't we have evolved past that by now?
Well, we've evolved to the point where we can resist evolution by natural selection. Mutations that would be deadly in the past are often nothing more than an annoyance with modern medicine.
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@cvi said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
"Hey maybe this time let's mount a full-scale assault and literally kill ourselves trying to fight it off." "Sounds good, let's do it."
Hmm. Looks like the immune system subscribes to same school of thought as I do when playing Starcraft.
The question is, is the immune system Zerg or Human?
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@polygeekery said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
The really weird part of this is that she wasn't allergic to bee stings. And then she was.
IIRC from when I read about it earlier this week, this was her 24th time using this "therapy". Repeated exposure can cause anaphylaxis.
One of the applications of bee venom therapy is reducing the severity of pre-existing reactions to bee venom, such as anaphylaxis.
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@dangeruss said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@polygeekery said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
The really weird part of this is that she wasn't allergic to bee stings. And then she was.
IIRC from when I read about it earlier this week, this was her 24th time using this "therapy". Repeated exposure can cause anaphylaxis.
The immune system is really fucking dumb sometimes.
"Yeah, we've seen this protein a couple dozen times... it's never really caused much of an issue, aside from some minor pain." "Hey maybe this time let's mount a full-scale assault and literally kill ourselves trying to fight it off." "Sounds good, let's do it."
Yea seriously wtf... Why are our immune systems so dumb as to kill us for allergies? LIke shouldn't we have evolved past that by now?
We laugh in evolution's face, with our advanced medical science and speed in using it. If you are born with no limbs, for example, you will likely still be able to have a life, and there's guys with fetishes for that sort of thing out there so you'll probably be able to pass it on to your children too.
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@erufael said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@cvi said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
"Hey maybe this time let's mount a full-scale assault and literally kill ourselves trying to fight it off." "Sounds good, let's do it."
Hmm. Looks like the immune system subscribes to same school of thought as I do when playing Starcraft.
The question is, is the immune system Zerg or Human?
Terran of course!
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@pie_flavor said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@polygeekery said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
The really weird part of this is that she wasn't allergic to bee stings. And then she was.
IIRC from when I read about it earlier this week, this was her 24th time using this "therapy". Repeated exposure can cause anaphylaxis.
One of the applications of bee venom therapy is reducing the severity of pre-existing reactions to bee venom, such as anaphylaxis.
Yeah, when you are dead anaphylaxis tends to stop.
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I don't like the idea of humanity playing with bees. Nothing good will come of it.:
The Africanized honey bee was first introduced to Brazil in the 1950s in an effort to increase honey production, but in 1957, 26 swarms accidentally escaped quarantine. Since then, the species has spread throughout South America and arrived in North America in 1985. Hives were found in south Texas of the United States in 1990.
Africanized bees are typically much more defensive than other species of bee, and react to disturbances faster than European honey bees. They can chase a person a quarter of a mile (400 m); they have killed some 1,000 humans, with victims receiving ten times more stings than from European honey bees. They have also killed horses and other animals.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@erufael said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@cvi said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
"Hey maybe this time let's mount a full-scale assault and literally kill ourselves trying to fight it off." "Sounds good, let's do it."
Hmm. Looks like the immune system subscribes to same school of thought as I do when playing Starcraft.
The question is, is the immune system Zerg or Human?
Terran of course!
Isn't exterminating more a protoss thing?
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@sockpuppet7 said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
You can actually build up intolerance. Personally I'm becoming more and more allergic to shellfish...
I'm getting increasingly allergic to chicken :-(
I'm getting increasingly allergic to stupid. ;)
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@pleegwat said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@erufael said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@cvi said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
"Hey maybe this time let's mount a full-scale assault and literally kill ourselves trying to fight it off." "Sounds good, let's do it."
Hmm. Looks like the immune system subscribes to same school of thought as I do when playing Starcraft.
The question is, is the immune system Zerg or Human?
Terran of course!
Isn't exterminating more a protoss thing?
But they normally don't kill themselves in the attempt...
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@pie_flavor said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@polygeekery said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
The really weird part of this is that she wasn't allergic to bee stings. And then she was.
IIRC from when I read about it earlier this week, this was her 24th time using this "therapy". Repeated exposure can cause anaphylaxis.
One of the applications of bee venom therapy is reducing the severity of pre-existing reactions to bee venom, such as anaphylaxis.
I rather think the doses involved differ, by at least one order of magnitude, probably more.
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@dkf said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@sockpuppet7 said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
You can actually build up intolerance. Personally I'm becoming more and more allergic to shellfish...
I'm getting increasingly allergic to chicken :-(
I'm getting increasingly allergic to stupid. ;)
Chickens are stupid, but so are cow. What do you eat?
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@sockpuppet7 said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@dkf said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@sockpuppet7 said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
You can actually build up intolerance. Personally I'm becoming more and more allergic to shellfish...
I'm getting increasingly allergic to chicken :-(
I'm getting increasingly allergic to stupid. ;)
Chickens are stupid, but so are cow. What do you eat?
He years unintelligent. Theresa difference.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@pleegwat said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@erufael said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@cvi said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
"Hey maybe this time let's mount a full-scale assault and literally kill ourselves trying to fight it off." "Sounds good, let's do it."
Hmm. Looks like the immune system subscribes to same school of thought as I do when playing Starcraft.
The question is, is the immune system Zerg or Human?
Terran of course!
Isn't exterminating more a protoss thing?
But they normally don't kill themselves in the attempt...
They do when I'm playing them...
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@dragnslcr said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@pleegwat said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@erufael said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@cvi said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
"Hey maybe this time let's mount a full-scale assault and literally kill ourselves trying to fight it off." "Sounds good, let's do it."
Hmm. Looks like the immune system subscribes to same school of thought as I do when playing Starcraft.
The question is, is the immune system Zerg or Human?
Terran of course!
Isn't exterminating more a protoss thing?
But they normally don't kill themselves in the attempt...
They do when I'm playing them...
Protoss harder yo! ;)
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@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@sockpuppet7 said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@dkf said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@sockpuppet7 said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
You can actually build up intolerance. Personally I'm becoming more and more allergic to shellfish...
I'm getting increasingly allergic to chicken :-(
I'm getting increasingly allergic to stupid. ;)
Chickens are stupid, but so are cow. What do you eat?
He years unintelligent. Theresa difference.
Sounds laugh as yep.
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@pie_flavor said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@sockpuppet7 said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@dkf said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@sockpuppet7 said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
You can actually build up intolerance. Personally I'm becoming more and more allergic to shellfish...
I'm getting increasingly allergic to chicken :-(
I'm getting increasingly allergic to stupid. ;)
Chickens are stupid, but so are cow. What do you eat?
He years unintelligent. Theresa difference.
Sounds laugh as yep.
Yep.
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@onyx said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
Speaking of doctors using questionable methods, it seems that part of a standard physiotherapy my roomie who has a bad knee sometimes receives includes electrostimulation and some sort of an electromagnet.
Now, electrostimulation, okay, I mean, it won't give you abs like those silly commercials tell you, but it will genuinely make the muscles flex and my roomie claims that it does help with the pain, it's basically exercising the muscles that get overworked / stiff due to limping / inability to properly flex the leg, fine.
But what in the fuck should a magnetic field do for a bad knee? What is there for the magnet to work on? Tiny amounts of iron in the bloodstream? To heal a bad joint?
I'm not one of those people who consider all/most doctors to be idiots (though I know plenty of people like that), but you know, sometimes...
Some knead-man (chiro or osteo, cant remember) once told me, that they sometimes break a piece of chalk (for writing on blackboards) when working on the back with the other hand. The patient thinks that the "crack" was them and feel better...
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@sockpuppet7 said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@dkf said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@sockpuppet7 said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
You can actually build up intolerance. Personally I'm becoming more and more allergic to shellfish...
I'm getting increasingly allergic to chicken :-(
I'm getting increasingly allergic to stupid. ;)
Chickens are stupid, but so are cow. What do you eat?
I don't eat living chickens or living cows. (The bit of dead cow I had yesterday was delicious.)
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@kurt-c-pause said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
Some knead-man (chiro or osteo, cant remember) once told me, that they sometimes break a piece of chalk (for writing on blackboards) when working on the back with the other hand. The patient thinks that the "crack" was them and feel better...
If placebo effect is enough to relieve your pain, then whoever sent you to physio is just wasting everyone's time. Meanwhile, the magnetic woo doesn't help the person in the situation where the placebo effect is not nearly enough, and is thus wasting everyone's time.
At least it's not as bad as some other woo that can actually lead to people dying because they rejected proper treatment, but fuck damn it, stop wasting everyone's time!
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@onyx said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@kurt-c-pause said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
Some knead-man (chiro or osteo, cant remember) once told me, that they sometimes break a piece of chalk (for writing on blackboards) when working on the back with the other hand. The patient thinks that the "crack" was them and feel better...
If placebo effect is enough to relieve your pain, then whoever sent you to physio is just wasting everyone's time. Meanwhile, the magnetic woo doesn't help the person in the situation where the placebo effect is not nearly enough, and is thus wasting everyone's time.
At least it's not as bad as some other woo that can actually lead to people dying because they rejected proper treatment, but fuck damn it, stop wasting everyone's time!
word. I got cough drops reccomended for my little one from the doctors office (by call, not by the doctor). I go buy them, at home I see "homeopathic medicine" (now that's an oxymoron.) Just say "too young for cough medicine, wait it out" instead of wasting my time & money.
Fuck, if I want to buy sugar, I go to the supermarket, not the pharmacy!
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@onyx said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@kurt-c-pause said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
Some knead-man (chiro or osteo, cant remember) once told me, that they sometimes break a piece of chalk (for writing on blackboards) when working on the back with the other hand. The patient thinks that the "crack" was them and feel better...
If placebo effect is enough to relieve your pain, then whoever sent you to physio is just wasting everyone's time. Meanwhile, the magnetic woo doesn't help the person in the situation where the placebo effect is not nearly enough, and is thus wasting everyone's time.
At least it's not as bad as some other woo that can actually lead to people dying because they rejected proper treatment, but fuck damn it, stop wasting everyone's time!
Yes, the magnets are probably just woo, but we can't reject everything we don't know how it works.
Here's a hypothetical--
There's a treatment out there. No one knows how it works. In fact, it shouldn't work by everything we know. But it does. On virtually everybody, obviously so. Very effectively. Do you use it?
Reveal
That's true for every general anaesthetic we have. We have no clue how they work. In fact, everything we know says they shouldn't work. But they do. Living things are so complicated that for the vast majority of things we're little better than witch doctors, despite all our claims. Medicine is super scary sometimes.
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@hardwaregeek said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@bb36e said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@wft bidets ftw
If there had room for one when my ex-wife and I were remodeling our house, we would totally have put one in. They're quite useful for personal hygiene in a number of circumstances. Unfortunately, that would have pretty much involved enlarging our bathroom into our neighbor's yard. The city would not have approved of that (to say nothing of our neighbor).
That's why you start the negotiation with shitting directly in your neighbour's yard, then walk it back to expanding your bathroom.
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@benjamin-hall said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@onyx said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@kurt-c-pause said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
Some knead-man (chiro or osteo, cant remember) once told me, that they sometimes break a piece of chalk (for writing on blackboards) when working on the back with the other hand. The patient thinks that the "crack" was them and feel better...
If placebo effect is enough to relieve your pain, then whoever sent you to physio is just wasting everyone's time. Meanwhile, the magnetic woo doesn't help the person in the situation where the placebo effect is not nearly enough, and is thus wasting everyone's time.
At least it's not as bad as some other woo that can actually lead to people dying because they rejected proper treatment, but fuck damn it, stop wasting everyone's time!
Yes, the magnets are probably just woo, but we can't reject everything we don't know how it works.
Here's a hypothetical--
There's a treatment out there. No one knows how it works. In fact, it shouldn't work by everything we know. But it does. On virtually everybody, obviously so. Very effectively. Do you use it?
Reveal
That's true for every general anaesthetic we have. We have no clue how they work. In fact, everything we know says they shouldn't work. But they do. Living things are so complicated that for the vast majority of things we're little better than witch doctors, despite all our claims. Medicine is super scary sometimes.That's what the double-blind medical trials are for. No one here is saying: "Homeopathy does not work."
We're saying: "Homeopathy does not work better than a placebo in which case I'd rather have a proper placebo than pseudo-science."
That's what those double-blind trials are for: Allowing "We don't know how it works but it's still worth checking." while at the same time weeding out the: "Well, it sounds great on paper but doesn't do jack-shit."
Also, we don't have "no clue" how they work. We have some evidence and we also have some theories. That's not exactly "no clue".
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@dkf said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@sockpuppet7 said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@dkf said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@sockpuppet7 said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
You can actually build up intolerance. Personally I'm becoming more and more allergic to shellfish...
I'm getting increasingly allergic to chicken :-(
I'm getting increasingly allergic to stupid. ;)
Chickens are stupid, but so are cow. What do you eat?
I don't eat living chickens or living cows. (The bit of dead cow I had yesterday was delicious.)
I saw someone eat a live lobster at a sushi bar once. Well, it wasn't so live once they cracked it open. I'm pretty open to trying different things at a sushi bar - but not that.
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@rhywden said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
That's what those double-blind trials are for: Allowing "We don't know how it works but it's still worth checking." while at the same time weeding out the: "Well, it sounds great on paper but doesn't do jack-shit."
Also, we don't have "no clue" how they work. We have some evidence and we also have some theories. That's not exactly "no clue".
The first was exactly my point. I was pushing back against the idea that "I have no idea how this works, so it must not" is valid. There are lots of things where we don't know the mechanism (and those theories work fine...for locals. We don't even know what consciousness is, so deciding how things shut it down is hard. There's a huge gap there. That's all according to a university anaesthesiologist I knew.)
I agree that homeopathy is crap. That's not because we don't know how it works, but because we know it doesn't work. We use lots of things in medicine without knowing the mechanisms behind its action. It's much more important that it works than how it works (at least from a doctor's standpoint).
So those magnets probably don't work. But just because the nurse can't tell you how they work doesn't mean they don't. Sometimes you can get obscure or roundabout processes that actually bring substantial (above placebo) results.
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@benjamin-hall said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@rhywden said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
That's what those double-blind trials are for: Allowing "We don't know how it works but it's still worth checking." while at the same time weeding out the: "Well, it sounds great on paper but doesn't do jack-shit."
Also, we don't have "no clue" how they work. We have some evidence and we also have some theories. That's not exactly "no clue".
The first was exactly my point. I was pushing back against the idea that "I have no idea how this works, so it must not" is valid. There are lots of things where we don't know the mechanism (and those theories work fine...for locals. We don't even know what consciousness is, so deciding how things shut it down is hard. There's a huge gap there. That's all according to a university anaesthesiologist I knew.)
I agree that homeopathy is crap. That's not because we don't know how it works, but because we know it doesn't work. We use lots of things in medicine without knowing the mechanisms behind its action. It's much more important that it works than how it works (at least from a doctor's standpoint).
So those magnets probably don't work. But just because the nurse can't tell you how they work doesn't mean they don't. Sometimes you can get obscure or roundabout processes that actually bring substantial (above placebo) results.
There have been studies on this. They do not work.
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@rhywden Fair enough. I rather doubted that they did, in that particular case.
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@benjamin-hall said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@rhywden Fair enough. I rather doubted that they did, in that particular case.
Well, given the fact that static magnetic fields have roundabout zero potential to induce a biochemical reaction, I'd have been rather astounded if they had found something.
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@rhywden said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@benjamin-hall said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@rhywden Fair enough. I rather doubted that they did, in that particular case.
Well, given the fact that static magnetic fields have roundabout zero potential to induce a biochemical reaction, I'd have been rather astounded if they had found something.
But did the studies include Juggalos?
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@tsaukpaetra said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@onyx said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@rhywden said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
Which turned out to be homeopathic bullshit which I only found out when I arrived home and opened the package.
Good thing he didn't give you a glass of water, you could've overdosed!
Subscribed.
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@pie_flavor said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@dangeruss said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@polygeekery said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@anotherusername said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
The really weird part of this is that she wasn't allergic to bee stings. And then she was.
IIRC from when I read about it earlier this week, this was her 24th time using this "therapy". Repeated exposure can cause anaphylaxis.
The immune system is really fucking dumb sometimes.
"Yeah, we've seen this protein a couple dozen times... it's never really caused much of an issue, aside from some minor pain." "Hey maybe this time let's mount a full-scale assault and literally kill ourselves trying to fight it off." "Sounds good, let's do it."
Yea seriously wtf... Why are our immune systems so dumb as to kill us for allergies? LIke shouldn't we have evolved past that by now?
We laugh in evolution's face, with our advanced medical science and speed in using it. If you are born with no limbs, for example, you will likely still be able to have a life, and there's guys with fetishes for that sort of thing out there so you'll probably be able to pass it on to your children too.
My girl really hates seeing people with genetic diseases that have children. I do understand her point. I mean, the question is simple: why? What for?
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@kt_ Because something something we're all equal on the inside.
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@pie_flavor said in Acupuncture. With live bees. Anaphylactic shock and death ensues...:
@kt_ Because something something we're all equal on the inside.
The fuck we're not.