Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!)
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@dcon said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@remi said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
It does mean however that you're consistently driving a tiny bit slower than the rest of the traffic. Which is exactly what most lorries do and it works perfectly fine for them, so why not for you as well?
The problem with this - most people do not do this in the slow lane. When one car is driving slower than the flow of traffic, it creates a huge backup behind that person as all the other cars brake sharply and try to veer around them. Which causes a ripple effect. I see this every morning.
A pretty decent model of traffic is the fluid model. Traffic behaves (in the aggregate) very similar to a compressible fluid moving through a conduit. And just as an obstacle or obstruction causes a backward-propagating disturbance, one person moving slower than the bulk speed creates a lasting slow-down in traffic and engenders accidents.
This is especially evident when people rubber-neck around accidents. You can have lasting eddies in the flow after the accident is completely cleared away as the disturbance becomes meta-stable.
So yes, going slower than the flow is just as disruptive as going fast by the same delta. Traffic flow is smoothest when
a) everyone moves in a predictable fashion
b) everyone moves at the same speed
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@dcon said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
The problem with this - most people do not do this in the slow lane. When one car is driving slower than the flow of traffic, it creates a huge backup behind that person as all the other cars brake sharply and try to veer around them. Which causes a ripple effect. I see this every morning.
And here's the standard "BUT TEH FAST LANE" whinging that always comes when you mention speed limits and safe following distance.
You'll note, first, that none of us mentioned lanes. So your comment is as useful as complaining about your microwave over when discussing cancer treatments.
Second, and this can't be stated enough: there is no "fast lane" that lets you exceed the speed limit. If someone is doing the speed limit in the far left lane (or right lane for you crumpet-cocks)-- then that's as fast as they should be going. The other lanes are for people who are doing less than the speed limit (but more that the minimum speed, natch).
Here's a really simple rule of thumb. If someone is doing the speed limit, and you are able to get closer to them than you already are-- then you are exceeding the speed limit.
Corollary: if someone is doing the speed limit, and you come up on them so close that you have to brake, you are exceeding the speed limit AND tailgating.
Second corollary: If you have to brake SHARPLY, not only are you speeding and tailgating, but also driving dangerously.
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@benjamin-hall said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
everyone moves at the same speed
If only there were some way for a regulating body to scientifically determine that speed, and then distribute the results to all drives in a clear & unambiguous fashion.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@benjamin-hall said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
everyone moves at the same speed
If only there were some way for a regulating body to scientifically determine that speed, and then distribute the results to all drives in a clear & unambiguous fashion.
If only. But in the real world, speed limits and good traffic flow have very little to do with each other. I've seen many reports from the engineers who built the darn roads saying that the speed limits are about 10 mph too low for best results. This matches very well with the observed speed of traffic. Speed limits are political, not engineering.
And many states have laws saying that if you're matching the flow of traffic, you're not speeding (within certain limits). That is, flow-matching takes precedence over obeying the signs. Because being safe is more important than obeying an arbitrary rule set for political reasons by people who know very little (ie politicians).
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@benjamin-hall said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Speed limits are political, not engineering, and they generate plenty of revenue to boot.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
If only there were some way for a regulating body to scientifically determine that speed, and then distribute the results to all drives in a clear & unambiguous fashion.
This is the third time I've posted this video on TDWTF. Pray I don't post it any further.
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@lolwhat a very good video. Anecdotally, there was a four lane, divided, commercial street in my home town with a 25 mph limit. No one did 25.
And there are lots of little towns that make their revenue off of speeders, because they deceptively and arbitrarily mess with the limit and post speed traps. Not for safety but for profit. Yes, for profit. The cops in those areas get bonuses for writing lots of tickets.
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@benjamin-hall said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
in the real world
In the "real mythical world I get to make up and pick and chose the rules that apply". Okay.
@benjamin-hall said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
And many states have laws saying that if you're matching the flow of traffic, you're not speeding (within certain limits)
Mmm hmm. Here's a challenge for you. Name the states, and link me to the portion of their equiv of the Highway Traffic Act that says this.
Heck, I'll accept even just 3 stats instead of the "many".
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@remi said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@rhywden At a much less rigorous scale, I do the same experiment from time to time on my daily commute, not always entirely voluntarily, and I get to the same results.
Must be nice to live in a place with light enough traffic that you actually get a choice.
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@lorne-kates
https://forum.officer.com/forum/public-forums/ask-a-cop/traffic-enforcement-questions/138657-ticketed-for-going-the-speed-limit
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Second, and this can't be stated enough: there is no "fast lane" that lets you exceed the speed limit.
That's not true in Washington State.
The law specifically allows exceeding the speed limit while overtaking, in fact, since it's safest to get the maneuver over as quickly as possible. (While you're overtaking you have fewer "escape routes", so the safest option is to get your car where it can escape to the right lane as quickly as possible. Most roads don't have an escape on the left shoulder, although some freeways do.)
As for the "left lane is for passing" law, it doesn't mention speed at all. It basically just says what's on the traffic signs "keep right except to pass". If you're driving in the left lane, at the speed limit or even 20 MPH over, you still need to move right if someone gets behind you trying to pass. The fact that he's over the speed limit is irrelevant. The fact that you're over the speed limit is also irrelevant.
Now that said, BOTH of those people could be ticketed for speeding. However, the guy who was blocking the left lane (even though he was speeding!) could be ticketed BOTH for speeding and for refusing to move right to let someone pass. So the guy who's clogging the left lane is clearly more wrong (if you apply Lorne's strict "the law is always right" approach) than the guy who's only speeding.
Check your local laws.
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@blakeyrat said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Must be nice to live in a place with light enough traffic that you actually get a choice.
A choice between driving aggressively and tailgating people, or driving a tiny bit more slowly? How does that depend on where I live and the traffic?
Does someone hold a gun to your head telling you to speed up? If so, yeah, it certainly is nice to live in a place where no one does that to me.
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@remi said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
A choice between driving aggressively and tailgating people,
Oh that's what you were doing? Yeah, that's just stupid.
I thought you meant a choice between driving within the speed limits and speeding.
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@blakeyrat Oh, yeah, I definitely could not speed even if I wanted to, at least not on the longest stretch of my commute. All I can do is try to jump from one lane to the other, tailgate the car in front, aggressively try to overtake on the smaller roads (1 lane in each direction) etc. But these are the strategies that don't actually work, as I was saying.
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@dcon said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates
https://forum.officer.com/forum/public-forums/ask-a-cop/traffic-enforcement-questions/138657-ticketed-for-going-the-speed-limitWanna try that one again?
The law you quoted says that vehicles in the left-most lane, if they have 5 or more cars behind them waiting to pass, must pull over to the right lane OR a designated turnout, if there is no lane to safely go into.
It says literally nothing about being allowed to EXCEED the speed limit.
In fact, the very section quoted says, in legalese, "You can do this, but still have to obey the default and posted speed limits"
So like I said, wanna try again for your claim of "And many states have laws saying that if you're matching the flow of traffic, you're not speeding (within certain limits)"
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@lorne-kates The point is not that you're not speeding. It's that you're impeding traffic. So even if you are doing the speed limit, you can get a ticket. In fact, you could get an impeding ticket even if you're speeding.
Fine, ically, you're right. The law doesn't say you can speed. But it does say you can't impede.
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@dcon said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
But it does say you can't impede.
You can only impede people doing the normal and reasonable movement of traffic. Speeding is not normal or reasonable. Ergo, doing the speed limit does not mean you are impeding.
And if you're going to argue law, you better fucking expect is the norm.
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@remi said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I see that stupid argument so often, I have to answer even if it's an old-ish post. If you slow down to 63 and another car that zips into the space you've made, how fast do you think that other car is going? 63 or faster? If it's going 63, how did it go past you to get to the gap? If it's going faster (say, 65 like the first car that filled the gap and caused you to slow down to 63 in the first place), then you know what? You're already going slower than them and the gap that you created in the first place will create itself again.
Oh, God, what have you done. You've restarted this conversation. The one where both sides just shout anecdotes at each other and won't agree no matter what. It makes me believe traffic must wildly differ between geographic areas and there are no universal principles that apply to it.
The only thing people get more worked up about than politics is traffic, since they deal with it directly and it has a material impact on them every day.
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@dcon said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates The point is not that you're not speeding. It's that you're impeding traffic. So even if you are doing the speed limit, you can get a ticket. In fact, you could get an impeding ticket even if you're speeding.
Fine, ically, you're right. The law doesn't say you can speed. But it does say you can't impede.
I'm pretty certain that won't hold up in court (unless, of course, you're an utter moron and tell the judge that your motivation was to stop the other cars from speeding).
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@polygeekery said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Another thing of interest: isn't 35 mph tad too fast for a built-up area? These 5 mph are what often makes a difference between the hospital and the morgue.
Every state is different, but in my state most speed limits are set prima facie. They occasionally do road speed surveys, discard the top few percent of results as speeders and establish the speed limit as what most people drive on that road.
Sounds like a paradise. In the state I live in, the speed limits can be 10-20 MPH below what people actually drive, and the cops generally turn a blind eye. In an adjacent state, drivers do much the same, but the cops don't turn a blind eye because said state has "lower taxes."
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@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
And I don't think that even Maryland, which has a ton of speed cameras, has them on highways.
Sometimes they park the temporary vans in construction zones on I-95, but that's the only exception I'm aware of. In general, they're only in residential areas that the locals have come to anticipate, so it mostly catches out-of-towners. Classic beggar-thy-neighbor.
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@groaner Dave Barry once wrote an article about how he wanted to bribe a police officer to find out what the "real" speed limit was, then start a business where people could do it enmass. Because the speed limit on the sign and the speed you'll get a ticket for exceeding have no relation to each other.
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@blakeyrat said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@groaner Dave Barry once wrote an article about how he wanted to bribe a police officer to find out what the "real" speed limit was, then start a business where people could do it enmass. Because the speed limit on the sign and the speed you'll get a ticket for exceeding have no relation to each other.
In my experience, 5 over will get you a ticket only in official speed traps. 8 over is usually safe. And in some areas, not going 15 over will get you pulled over for your own safety, lest the rest of the drivers gang up and massacre you. I wish I was kidding about that last part...
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@benjamin-hall The 520 toll bridge in the Seattle area seems to be a limit-less no-man's-land for cops. Probably because people are like, "I paid fucking $4.30 to use this bridge, I'm going to drive as fast as I fucking want!" (At least I do.)
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@remi said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Does someone hold a gun to your head telling you to speed up?
Pro-tip: if you've got that, I'd advise doing precisely what the mad gunman in the passenger seat beside you is telling you to.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@boomzilla said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I like to let people pass me under the assumption that they might clear the road of speed traps ahead of me.
Yes x1000000. I love it when "flushers" take point in the minefield.
Wait a minute. I thought you were a good little boy who never exceeds the speed limit and always maintains two seconds of following distance. Why would speed traps be a concern?
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@dcon said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
(Well, except on US101 thru Mountain View - because of Google, the speed never exceeds 20 there - except maybe around 2am)
And it continues in that vein in the opposite direction well past Marin County until around Santa Rosa, due to construction that was going on a few years ago...
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@benjamin-hall said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
everyone moves at the same speed
If only there were some way for a regulating body to scientifically determine that speed, and then distribute the results to all drives in a clear & unambiguous fashion.
If only said regulating body were immune to corruption and actually executed their duties objectively.
I guess Canada missed out on the nationwide 55 MPH speed limits put in place decades ago that states had to enforce to receive federal funds? They've only been slowly dismantled over the years, as it's much more convenient to selectively enforce them than put up new signage.
Meanwhile, cars have become far safer, optimal brake-specific fuel consumption is around 75MPH in many cars these days, and fuel economy increases across the board have rendered much of the original reasoning for those limits obsolete.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Speeding is not normal or reasonable.
Try telling that to the mass of cars I see during my commute that do 15 over while a cop nonchalantly passes them all in the left lane at 20 over (or more).
And if you're going to argue law, you better fucking expect is the norm.
The law is dumb and needs to be updated.
...or just the speed limits themselves.
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As a note, I once was driving about 10 over down a toll expressway here in Tampa. Due to construction there was no shoulders (only concrete barriers). I was in the right of two lanes (in that direction).
After several miles, a cop pulled in behind me, and a minute or two later blipped his siren. Just one WAH sound. Not knowing what to do (and having no way to get over since there was a car to my right), I just white-knuckled at the same speed. He wasn't pulling me over, since they actually turn their siren all the way on for that.
A couple miles down the road, the car to my right got out of the way enough, and the cop quickly sped up and passed me, going probably 20 over (with his lights and siren still off) to the next exit, where he exited.
Yeah, I was told "go faster" by a cop. While I was going 10 over (75 in a 65 nominal, although no one ever does 65 down that road).
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@dkf said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@remi said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Does someone hold a gun to your head telling you to speed up?
Pro-tip: if you've got that, I'd advise doing precisely what the mad gunman in the passenger seat beside you is telling you to.
Proer-tip: if you've got that, I'd advice subtly undoing the passenger's seatbelt (if the madman is even wearing one), then once you hit 70mph, slam on the breaks as hard as you can.
Filed under: The Deadlier Weapon
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@groaner said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Wait a minute. I thought you were a good little boy who never exceeds the speed limit and always maintains two seconds of following distance. Why would speed traps be a concern?
Yeah, but I don't feel like putting my faith into the perfect accuracy of a cop's radar gun vs. my spedometer vs. "the constant ebb and flow of a human-controlled machine with imprecise controls".
Plus, there's an indescribable satisfaction in seeing someone behave like an asshole and getting caught for it.
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@groaner said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
If only said regulating body were immune to corruption and actually executed their duties objectively.
Whatcha going to do about it? Aside from voting, protesting, petitioning municipal and state (or province) authorities?
Your more than welcome to protest by speeding. Just accept the consequences.
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@groaner said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Try telling that to the mass of cars I see during my commute that do 15 over while a cop nonchalantly passes them all in the left lane at 20 over (or more).
"Everyone else was doing bad things, so that makes it okay for me to do it! It's normal."
People love to point out the "but look at all those cars speeding by" fallacy. It's called confirmation bias. You know why? Because all the cars who AREN'T speeding, and who are doing the speed limit too-- you don't see them. Except for the ones right around you. There's hundreds of miles of roadway's worth of cars doing the speed limit just fine. But you see the ones who pass you. That's how-- reality-- works.
@groaner said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
The law is dumb and needs to be updated.
...or just the speed limits themselves.See about about getting laws changed.
As it stands, that law already WAS changed recently (the specific one quoted in the forum post linked to). It was changed to give more provisions for when a slow moving vehicle should pull over and how.
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@benjamin-hall said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
As a note, I once was driving about 10 over down a toll expressway here in Tampa.
You're speeding around an area that tourist frequent? I guess you really love paying "the tax".
@benjamin-hall said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
After several miles, a cop pulled in behind me, and a minute or two later blipped his siren.
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A couple miles down the road, the car to my right got out of the way enough, and the cop quickly sped up and passed me, going probably 20 over (with his lights and siren still off) to the next exit, where he exited.Yeah, I was told "go faster" by a cop. While I was going 10 over (75 in a 65 nominal, although no one ever does 65 down that road).
No, you were not told to "go faster". You were told "Hey buddy, I need to get past you. I'm not going to turn on my sirens and lights, because then you'll panic thinking I'm pulling you over. You'll probably panic so much that you'll try to stop, which is dangerous, or will smash into this barrier. I know you can't go faster, and I know you can't pull off. This is my message to you-- as soon as possible, get out of my way."
And then when you did, he sped off probably because he was responding to a call. But didn't have all his lights and sirens on because, again, it'd either send the wrong message to the cars he's following, or spook someone, or is under orders to arrive quietly on the scene (don't spook a hostage situation, etc).
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@lorne-kates Yeah, no. You weren't there. And your pathetic attempts to read minds are pathetic.
I've been tailgated by cops while I'm doing the speed limit. My aunt was specifically told "speed up, because the truckers behind you are getting rowdy" by a cop while doing the speed limit. And I've never gotten a speeding ticket.
The point still stands--going at the flow of traffic is safer for everyone than stubbornly insisting on the speed limit, no matter that everyone else is going faster. While the law is an ass, I'd rather pay a fine than be dead.
I did 3,000 miles of driving over a week this summer. I saw lots of traffic. Both on freeways and on rural back lanes. Universally, going the speed limit (except in designated speed trap zones) would have impeded traffic.
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@groaner said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
nationwide 55 MPH speed limits put in place decades ago that states had to enforce to receive federal funds? They've only been slowly dismantled over the years, as it's much more convenient to selectively enforce them than put up new signage.
No repro. At least some states raised the limit as soon as they were allowed to. Not all (Oregon ), but many.
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@benjamin-hall said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Yeah, no. You weren't there. And your pathetic attempts to read minds are pathetic.
Hmm, so there's your attempt at reading minds of the cop, in which he telepathically tells you "please speed"
And then there's my not-mind-reading, but interpretation of the situation you describe vs. actual procedures police follow. Specifically responding to emergency calls without sounding sirens or putting on lights.
Since you brought up California, let's see what California law says.
Here's some examples from a Quora question:
And the actual law in question giving the police officer the authority:
Here's some talk about the procedures of when using the red lights or sirens would not be advisable, including "If using red lights or siren would endanger the officer or tip off a suspect and help that person flee, then the officer need not use them."
@benjamin-hall said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I've been tailgated by cops while I'm doing the speed limit. My aunt was specifically told "speed up, because the truckers behind you are getting rowdy" by a cop while doing the speed limit. And I've never gotten a speeding ticket.
Your aunt was told to speed up, while doing the speed limit, by a cop? So he pulled up beside her and had a conversation?
Even if you aren't-- to put it lightly-- lying. Guess what. A police officer doesn't have the authority to order a citizen to break the law. If she sped up and got a ticket and tried to use the defense of "a cop told me to speed", picture how that would go over in court.
@benjamin-hall said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
The point still stands--going at the flow of traffic is safer for everyone than stubbornly insisting on the speed limit, no matter that everyone else is going faster. While the law is an ass, I'd rather pay a fine than be dead.
You claimed it was legal. I'm proving it isn't. Now you're claiming it's safer. Prove it.
(and ps: saying I'd rather speed vs. die is a false dichotomy)
@benjamin-hall said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
I did 3,000 miles of driving over a week this summer. I saw lots of traffic. Both on freeways and on rural back lanes. Universally, going the speed limit (except in designated speed trap zones) would have impeded traffic.
I'll be sure to file your anecdote appropriately. But some points:
- Universally-- based on what evidence?
- there is no such thing as a "designated speed trap zone". WTF are you even talking about?
- Last summer I drove 7871 miles across 5 provinces and 10 states. What's your point?
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@groaner said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@polygeekery said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Another thing of interest: isn't 35 mph tad too fast for a built-up area? These 5 mph are what often makes a difference between the hospital and the morgue.
Every state is different, but in my state most speed limits are set prima facie. They occasionally do road speed surveys, discard the top few percent of results as speeders and establish the speed limit as what most people drive on that road.
Sounds like a paradise. In the state I live in, the speed limits can be 10-20 MPH below what people actually drive, and the cops generally turn a blind eye. In an adjacent state, drivers do much the same, but the cops don't turn a blind eye because said state has "lower taxes."
Only if you have put of state plates.
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@groaner said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
In the state I live in, the speed limits can be 10-20 MPH below what people actually drive, and the cops generally turn a blind eye.
Same here. I just asked a cop friend of mine what he'd say the threshold is, and he said obviously he can't speak for anyone else, but he doesn't bother pulling someone over unless they're going 15 over.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
there is no such thing as a "designated speed trap zone". WTF are you even talking about?
Actually, in Pennsylvania we have something that's basically that on the interstates, just called something different. They call them "Safe driving corridors", fines are automatically doubled if you're pulled over in one, and every one of them is where you can expect to see state police doing their speed traps.
Speaking of the national speed limit annoyance, it REALLY annoys me that a good chunk of Interstate 81 was raised to 65MPH a while back but the specific stretch between the city I live near and Scranton (about 30 minutes north) is stubbornly stuck at 55. I've heard rumors that it's done intentionally to get people to go slower to get enticed to get off the highway and come shop, but I don't know how true that is. Wouldn't surprise me though.
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@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
- there is no such thing as a "designated speed trap zone". WTF are you even talking about?
Florida. The speed limit signs for such have a yellow band above them.
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@greybeard said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@lorne-kates said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
- there is no such thing as a "designated speed trap zone". WTF are you even talking about?
Florida. The speed limit signs for such have a yellow band above them.
Or particular cities that have big signs outside them (paid for by the AAA) that say "warning, speed trap ahead." Or the small town I stopped in where a local told me that the cops are super vigilant about one particular stretch of road.
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@lb_ said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@wft said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
fucking programmers
Bloodthirsty maniacsSo I decided to do the test he proposed:
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@ben_lubar "Sorry, we can't find that test" on both.
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@heterodox said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@ben_lubar "Sorry, we can't find that test" on both.
Basically, the old version was half the size but double the requests.
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@heterodox said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Oh, God, what have you done. You've restarted this conversation.
It's a thread about Uber (so driving) and psychopaths, so I think that fits pretty well the topic.
The only thing people get more worked up about than politics is traffic, since they deal with it directly and it has a material impact on them every day.
I think it's more than traffic, it's transport (or commute) in general. See that other thread about bus/train stories.
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@heterodox said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
@groaner said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
In the state I live in, the speed limits can be 10-20 MPH below what people actually drive, and the cops generally turn a blind eye.
Same here. I just asked a cop friend of mine what he'd say the threshold is, and he said obviously he can't speak for anyone else, but he doesn't bother pulling someone over unless they're going 15 over.
There's no official "threshold". You go 1mph over, you can get a ticket.
Obviously police have discretion and common sense. Is the ticket worth the hassle? Would they be able to defend it in court? etc.
Some people think this is a Written In Stone Rule.
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But officer, I was only going 9% over the limit! You can't ticket me unless I'm going 10% over, that's the threshold
Oh, thank you for confessing that you were speeding. I'll put that in my notes for the case, so I can bring it up in traffic court as needed.
What I meant to say is, I was ONLY going 5mph over. There are people going 10, 15, 20mph over, you should pull them over!
If there's a group of people speeding, I have to pick one to pull over. That's your luck. Also, hey, thanks again for confessing that you were speeding.
But I was only speeding to keep up with the flow of traffic!
No such concept or exception to the law. And once again, thanks for the confession.
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Good answer.
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@groaner said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
due to construction that was going on a few years ago...
"ago"
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@e4tmyl33t said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Actually, in Pennsylvania we have something that's basically that on the interstates, just called something different. They call them "Safe driving corridors", fines are automatically doubled if you're pulled over in one, and every one of them is where you can expect to see state police doing their speed traps.
"Safety Corridors"
Yes, there is an expectation of a "higher level of enforcement". That could mean more patrol cars on the road. It isn't a "here is a spot we have explicitly designated with be a permanent and expected speed trap".
Part of such a warning is to pre-emptively enforce by psychology. The other part is to justify higher fines.
@greybeard said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Florida. The speed limit signs for such have a yellow band above them.
Huh? I can't find any reference to those. Did you mean these:
https://i.imgur.com/8jdYhzw.png
Those tend to mean "hey fucker, we really really mean this speed. And we got permission to give you a higher fine."
@benjamin-hall said in Uber, the sociopathic company full of psychopaths, now with murder! (Because regulations aren't "Disruptive" enough!):
Or particular cities that have big signs outside them (paid for by the AAA) that say "warning, speed trap ahead." Or the small town I stopped in where a local told me that the cops are super vigilant about one particular stretch of road.
See above re: PA. I saw plenty of "Speed enforced by radar" type signs when doing the cross countries drive. It didn't map 1:1 with actual enforcement. The only exception were some places where there were signs that said "Photo radar enforcement, next (x) miles". That, I concede, could be considered a "designated speed trap", since there was explicitly a permanent enforcement mechanism.