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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
@BernieTheBernie said in UI Bites:
was an exact duplicate
Wait wait wait wait wait! Are you implying that it uses a straight rng pull instead of a permutated RNG pull
No, the way I understood it is that that one question is simply duplicated in the database.
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It's like "Made in Germany"
At a former employer, our product manager once told me:
"With this product, we provide proof that not only can Chinese companies copy German products, but also a German company (i.e. we) can copy Chinese products."
Btw, the Chinese product was better (and had lower cost).
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@BernieTheBernie Have you tried installing it on a virtual machine? That would be my first reflex for this kind of stuff.
I would assume if it's anything like e.g. the Databricks certification exam, VMs are
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@BernieTheBernie said in UI Bites:
I am currently playing with Cert2brain azure examination questions. After having worked through their collection of 510 questions from start to end, I went to "test mode": show me 45 random questions as would happen during a real exam. Didn't take me 45 minutes at all, and the result was a little odd:
Your Result:
Result: Passed
Achieved Score: 956
Required Score: 700
Time: 9 Min.
Total questions: 45
Correct answers: 43
Wrong answers: 1
Unanswered: 0Why don't correct and wrong answers add up to the total questions?
Oh yes, there was a little quirk. And it can be seen in the list:
Number QuestionID Objective Marked Result Review
34 330 Describe Azure management and governance (30–35%) Image Submit
35 246 Describe cloud concepts (20-25%) Image Submit
37 102 Describe Azure architecture and services (35–40%) Image Submit
38 19 Describe Azure management and governance (30–35%) Image SubmitWhere is #36?
It was an exact duplicate of 35. It confused me a little, I went back and forth, but it was always the same.
At least, they decided to ignore it in their evaluation.Next time, I'll be
Bad Bernie
and answer the second time wrongly.
Just for
So I had an opportunity to try that. Clicked the correct answer on the first occurence, and a wrong answer on the second.
Then went back to the frist occurence, and verified that the correct answer is still marked.
Then forward to the second, and verified that ... the answer has changed from the wrong answer given there to the correct answer on the first occurence.
Then I just went ahead to next question, gave the correct answer, and took a look back at the previous duplicate question.
What did I see there? The previous question?
No, this time it was the next question which was repeated.
I.e. when you go forward, you find the sequence
20 A - 21 A - 22 B
when you go backwards, it is
22 B - 21 B - 20 A
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@hungrier But only if the program knows it's running on a VM.
That said, most VMs are pretty vulnerable on this angle, especially to a program that demands administrative rights:
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@Medinoc Generally you won't need administrative rights to find out if you are running on a virtual machine. I remember that some 10 years I wrote several lines of code to detect many virtualization solutions - it was good to know that they were used when strange things with USB devices or audio (we did dictation and speech recognition) happened.
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So yesterday I took the AZ-900 (introduction to Azure) exam. I already ranted a lot about Pearson Vue's paranoia... At the examination center at a german company, they did not exaggerate, but did things relatively reasonably.
Still, I had to read and sign a 2 pages long printed examination agreement with Pearson Vue. It was english instead of german, but so what.
In the frist paragraph, it told me that I must not bring personal items into the examination room. And I was astonished that the list included items I did not expect there: firearms and guns. OK, I put my Kalashnikov into the locker, but I'd feel more comfortable carrying it with me. Why have 'muricans not yet challenged that clause?
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Then I started the exam on a computer. Frist comes an examination agreement with Microsoft. Oh deer, how many agreements and signatures are still waiting for me?
Then the actual exam started. In german, since I had selected german as the preferred language when ordering the exam.
Fortunately, there is a "view in english" button on every question page.
I needed that already at question #3 (there are 35 multiple choice questions): the items in a list to select from had some funny translation. So I switched to english, the question was in english, but the combobox... could not be opened.
Also it is not possible to select an answer on the "view in english" page at all - all radiobuttons and checkmarks are disabled (though they will show what you selected while you were using the german version).
On some occasions, the english text was short enought to fit into one single line. German generally requires up more space ("Lebensraum" ). What did they do here? A "line break"?
Of course, it was still a single line. Just for reading the right half of it, you had to scroll to the right. What a wonderful user experience!Some translations were odd. I had to laugh when I found the german word "Lastenausgleich" when obviously "load balancing" was meant. The correct translation would be "Lastverteilung". "Lastenausgleich" is used with regard to economic hardship - primarily with the refugees from former german territories in eastern europe after WW II.
Anyways, after about 20 minutes of the actual exam time (i.e. after agreements etc.) of the 45 minutes scheduled for the actual exam, I had all questions answered, and was shown my result immediately: 889 pointz (maximum 1,000). I.e. likely got 4 questions wrong (but they won't tell me which ones).
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@BernieTheBernie Key question: was that above the pass level?
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@dkf passing level: 700.
Requring a passing level of 900 out of 1,000 would be a little ... hard.
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@BernieTheBernie It varies by subject. It varies very much by subject. In some, you have to get high marks and not get any of the critical questions wrong. In others, you can have negative marks for some answers. Multiple choice can be set to be an actual test of knowledge rather than just a beat-the-random-monkey...
(In b4 )
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@BernieTheBernie said in UI Bites:
In the frist paragraph, it told me that I must not bring personal items into the examination room.
"And that's why I came naked, officer."
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@BernieTheBernie said in UI Bites:
I must not bring personal items into the examination room.
"And that's why I came naked,
officerdoctor."FTFY
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@BernieTheBernie said in UI Bites:
It was english instead of german, but so what.
That's the perfect excuse if it contains stuff you don't like.
: You didn't follow the rules set in the agreement!
: It was not written in German. I didn't understand one word of it.
: But you signed it!
: Sure. Since it's not in German, it's legally void anyways.
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@BernieTheBernie said in UI Bites:
In the frist paragraph, it told me that I must not bring personal items into the examination room.
"And that's why I came naked, officer."
"What, what is meant by 'not that kind of examination'?"
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@Zerosquare No, we are free to select the language of a contract,
IIRC even the academiè francaisé was shown by some courts when they required contracts to be in french.
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@BernieTheBernie said in UI Bites:
In the frist paragraph, it told me that I must not bring personal items into the examination room.
"And that's why I came naked, officer."
That person is not called "officer", but appropriately
ProctologistProctor.
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@BernieTheBernie is that because they’re also anal about things?
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Status: Ah, yes, good, make the button hard to click...
Guess nobody ever tried mousing over it from any position other than already-inside-the-box.
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@Tsaukpaetra shit like that makes me unreasonably angry. 1) stop going out of your way to make thinks terrible when not making them terrible would be easier. 2) how can you release something like that without noticing?
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how can you release something like that without noticing?
Any testing framework would not notice anything wrong, an individual screenshot would not reveal anything amis, especially if it only takes them when animations are concluded.
And they likely never tested with a mouse anyways.
In my opinion, there's no worth in disappearing the magnify icon at all, much less resizing the control to account for the loss.
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how can you release something like that without noticing?
Easy. Just don't have a QA department in the first place.
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@Zerosquare said in UI Bites:
how can you release something like that without noticing?
Easy. Just don't have a QA department in the first place.
You don’t need a QA department for this, you only need the dev who wrote this to run it a single time.
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: Look, it compiles. Running stuff is QA's job.
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You don’t need a QA department for this, you only need the dev who wrote this to run it a single time.
With today's moving target coding environments it might very well have worked correctly in the dev's browser when they originally wrote it. Then some npm update or browser update came along which fixed some obscure bug which that other UI framework three levels down in the dependency tree had worked around in a slightly whacky way, and voilà you get evasive checkboxes.
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This happens more often than I can count:
Good Jorb!
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@topspin my cow-orkers stuck on Macs complain a lot more about Teams than anyone else.
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@boomzilla said in UI Bites:
@topspin my cow-orkers stuck on Macs complain a lot more about Teams than anyone else.
The powerful platform independence of running everything in a glorified web view.
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@boomzilla said in UI Bites:
@topspin my cow-orkers stuck on Macs complain a lot more about Teams than anyone else.
They should try Zoom.
Here in Europe, you feel that everything is sent around the world a couple of times, before it gets to Zoom America where things get spied upon before being sent to the other participants of the meeting back to Europe. 5 seconds delay or something, fucking terrible.
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@boomzilla said in UI Bites:
@topspin my cow-orkers stuck on Macs complain a lot more about Teams than anyone else.
Teams is just a page in my browser. What's the problem? (Why yes, I am on Ubuntu)
This also means I only run it when connecting to a meeting. (<looks> in 15 minutes)
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This happens more often than I can count:
Good Jorb!
Mine does that occasionally. Maybe once every couple of weeks, if that.
I've probably jinxed it now and it'll happen tomorrow.
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Teams is just a page in my browser.
At first, I read that as "Teams is just my browser".
And if you think that's absurd, dropping a URL shortcut into a Skype window used to cause said URL to load in the window, instantly replacing everything (including the Skype UI) and ending your call.
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@Zerosquare said in UI Bites:
At first, I read that as "Teams is just my browser".
What's funny is that Microsoft seems intent to make it so. It seems to do everything in its power to keep you inside it.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
@Zerosquare said in UI Bites:
At first, I read that as "Teams is just my browser".
What's funny is that Microsoft seems intent to make it so. It seems to do everything in its power to keep you inside it.
Embrace, extend, extinguish isn't dead after all?
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"An issue"
Man, I didn't even come here because you lot were moaning about Teams. There was just a lack of network connectivity when it started and I guess it's not sophisticated enough to automatically retry.
Anyway, the 'try again' button doesn't work. Or just isn't clickable, because the "new conversation" thing sits above it and steals priority.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
Guess nobody ever tried
Shirley there must be some method for which to avoid the elipsis?
No? Nothing?
Filed under: Pixels don't change size
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@kazitor We're sorry—we've r̷ͪu̴ṉ̷ i̶̢͆n̸̗t̶̮o̸̙͖̖ a̴̺̠̖ͥ᷁͡n̴̡̛̻͖̫᷊̗︠︣᷅ͪ͠ i̵̧̖̔ͬ᷃᷈̆̕s̵̢̅ͪͩ̂s̸̨̢᷿̘͕̹̲̗͖ͨ̃᷅᷄̇͆︣ͪ͡u̷̜̲̬͈̘̝̘̗̮̿͑͐͗︢̓́͗̕è̴̡̱̞̟́ͨ͂̅̅︡͐ͪ̕.̶̡͎᷂͇̪̳̖̠̟̍̀̉̽̚̕
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@ixvedeusi said in UI Bites:
@kazitor We're sorry—we've r̷ͪu̴ṉ̷ i̶̢͆n̸̗t̶̮o̸̙͖̖ a̴̺̠̖ͥ᷁͡n̴̡̛̻͖̫᷊̗︠︣᷅ͪ͠ i̵̧̖̔ͬ᷃᷈̆̕s̵̢̅ͪͩ̂s̸̨̢᷿̘͕̹̲̗͖ͨ̃᷅᷄̇͆︣ͪ͡u̷̜̲̬͈̘̝̘̗̮̿͑͐͗︢̓́͗̕è̴̡̱̞̟́ͨ͂̅̅︡͐ͪ̕.̶̡͎᷂͇̪̳̖̠̟̍̀̉̽̚̕
I would love, just once, to put that on an error screen when an app had an issue.
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@ixvedeusi said in UI Bites:
@kazitor We're sorry—we've r̷ͪu̴ṉ̷ i̶̢͆n̸̗t̶̮o̸̙͖̖ a̴̺̠̖ͥ᷁͡n̴̡̛̻͖̫᷊̗︠︣᷅ͪ͠ i̵̧̖̔ͬ᷃᷈̆̕s̵̢̅ͪͩ̂s̸̨̢᷿̘͕̹̲̗͖ͨ̃᷅᷄̇͆︣ͪ͡u̷̜̲̬͈̘̝̘̗̮̿͑͐͗︢̓́͗̕è̴̡̱̞̟́ͨ͂̅̅︡͐ͪ̕.̶̡͎᷂͇̪̳̖̠̟̍̀̉̽̚̕
I would love, just once, to put that on an error screen when an app had an issue.
Nobody would find it funny because everybody would assume it's just the normal, broken state of things instead of an intentional joke.
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@topspin on the other hand years ago when I was actively making forum software, it would have been neat.
I had a user-discourage feature that would troll the bad users into leaving, it would disemvowel posts, scramble everything but the first/last letter, Zalgo would have been a nice option then.
But that was 2010-4 and I didn’t know about it.
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Nobody would find it funny
@Arantor would.
Also:
I am feeling opressed! This forum just doesn't give me the space I need to express myself
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@ixvedeusi said in UI Bites:
Nobody would find it funny
@Arantor would.
Also:
I am feeling opressed! This forum just doesn't give me the space I need to express myself
I would find it funny on an error page and I totally would use it to troll badly behaving members by adding it to the posts at runtime. But I don’t build forum software any more, and that’s probably for the best.
Also, zalgo is perfectly cromulent if you want to use it. Just don’t expect a reply…
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@ixvedeusi said in UI Bites:
I am feeling opressed! This forum just doesn't give me the space I need to express myself
By design, post content cannot overlap post meta-content (let alone other posts). That's actually important.
The bug is that the vertical height of the line isn't being increased. Browser bug at most.
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By design, post content cannot overlap post meta-content (let alone other posts).
Why do you hate fun?
Filed under: I agree with whatever ixvedeusi said above
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@ixvedeusi said in UI Bites:
Why do you hate fun?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in UI Bites:
But different letters may have different widths, so one text might just fit and the other text with the same number of, but different letters may not.
I'd blame the web designer's hate for tables for this though. Instead of tables, that can adjust column widths to fit the content, everybody uses divs manually scaled for specific fractions of the page widths or to fixed widths and then if the text just doesn't fit, use the CSS ellipsing mechanism.